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Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
January 23 2010 11:52 GMT
#661
On January 23 2010 20:26 SoL[9] wrote:
Ret loss but atleast Jaedong gonna win!

I come from the future to say that both of these things ended up disappointing.
(-_(-_(-_(^_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-) CJ Fighting! "Beer -> soju -> whisky is a terrible build"~~ Scrarecrow.
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
January 23 2010 12:11 GMT
#662
On January 23 2010 20:52 Rainmaker5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 20:26 SoL[9] wrote:
Ret loss but atleast Jaedong gonna win!

I come from the future to say that both of these things ended up disappointing.


Funny stuff yah? ^^
I Can Fly...
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
January 23 2010 12:16 GMT
#663
nice try!
go tvz now, it's much more fun :D
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
January 23 2010 12:25 GMT
#664
Great efforts made throughout this whole period Ret. We can't wait for you to get back home and play some golden foreign starcraft @ livestream.
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
January 23 2010 15:18 GMT
#665
On January 23 2010 13:49 InToTheWannaB wrote:
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On January 23 2010 13:46 exp wrote:
Maybe he'll win by only playing his worst matchup.

If he does win I hope pro teams do notice that he is beating high level semi pros in a matchup he only just started playing less then a year ago. Thats pretty damn impressive.


What high level semi pros? All people playing courage are amateurs, and on occasion trainee's. Nice try ret.
Moderatorgold coin
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
January 23 2010 15:22 GMT
#666
Oh well, have fun returning home.
win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
January 23 2010 15:23 GMT
#667
Wow ret... 4 zvz BO3 in a row!

Gogo TSL ret>castro!!!
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
January 23 2010 15:37 GMT
#668
vods?
artosis! :D
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
January 23 2010 15:59 GMT
#669
On January 24 2010 00:18 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 13:49 InToTheWannaB wrote:
On January 23 2010 13:46 exp wrote:
Maybe he'll win by only playing his worst matchup.

If he does win I hope pro teams do notice that he is beating high level semi pros in a matchup he only just started playing less then a year ago. Thats pretty damn impressive.


What high level semi pros? All people playing courage are amateurs, and on occasion trainee's. Nice try ret.


I don't think you know what "semi-professional" means. Players on pro teams, even at B-level, are "pro" players. Many of the participants in Courage are semi-professional players.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7047 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 16:06:06
January 23 2010 16:04 GMT
#670
On January 24 2010 00:59 RANDOMCL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 00:18 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:
On January 23 2010 13:49 InToTheWannaB wrote:
On January 23 2010 13:46 exp wrote:
Maybe he'll win by only playing his worst matchup.

If he does win I hope pro teams do notice that he is beating high level semi pros in a matchup he only just started playing less then a year ago. Thats pretty damn impressive.


What high level semi pros? All people playing courage are amateurs, and on occasion trainee's. Nice try ret.


I don't think you know what "semi-professional" means. Players on pro teams, even at B-level, are "pro" players. Many of the participants in Courage are semi-professional players.

I guess different people have different views of semi-professionalism

but Courage league is what is supposed to give you the progamer license and thus if the players playing it aren't semi-pros then do those even exist? I guess you could say that courage alone does not make one professional but you need to be part of a team as well.

B-teamers are no doubt progamers as stated above.
Glaucus
Profile Joined June 2009
479 Posts
January 23 2010 16:06 GMT
#671
Semi-pro means you get significant pay but you don't play full time for whatever reason.

Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
January 23 2010 16:06 GMT
#672
On January 23 2010 21:16 Ghardo wrote:
nice try!
go tvz now, it's much more fun :D


or why not just stick with your main race throughout and improve.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
January 23 2010 16:11 GMT
#673
On January 24 2010 00:59 RANDOMCL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 00:18 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:
On January 23 2010 13:49 InToTheWannaB wrote:
On January 23 2010 13:46 exp wrote:
Maybe he'll win by only playing his worst matchup.

If he does win I hope pro teams do notice that he is beating high level semi pros in a matchup he only just started playing less then a year ago. Thats pretty damn impressive.


What high level semi pros? All people playing courage are amateurs, and on occasion trainee's. Nice try ret.


I don't think you know what "semi-professional" means. Players on pro teams, even at B-level, are "pro" players. Many of the participants in Courage are semi-professional players.


Courage is a tournament that is held only for people who're amateurs or a trainee. If you win courage = you become a semi-pro gamer. If you get drafted by a team = you become pro gamer. People training with the B team doesn't automatically make them semi-pro if they don't have a license, they're trainee's.
Moderatorgold coin
Code
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada634 Posts
January 23 2010 16:15 GMT
#674
I cant believe ret's luck with getting so many zvz's. I just want to see him roflstomp some terran and protoss. His zvz has improved ridiculously tho, i'm just not a big fan of that matchup
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 23 2010 16:54 GMT
#675
(Z)(nl)Ret clearly has the foreign world's best ZvZ atm, and all learned in just a few months. He has nothing to fear in the TSL, save (T)(us)IdrA in the finals.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Khaymus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States750 Posts
January 23 2010 16:56 GMT
#676
Just making it to Korea and being able to participate at such a high level is already a win ret =D

Good job and keep up the good work!
Let them say we lived in the time of Boxer, Emperor of Terran. Let them say we lived in the time of Nal_rA, Dreamer of Protoss. Let them say we lived in the time of Savior, Master of the Zerg.
Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
January 23 2010 16:57 GMT
#677
On January 24 2010 01:06 Glaucus wrote:
Semi-pro means you get significant pay but you don't play full time for whatever reason.



I'm pretty sure semi-pros don't get shit for money.
It felt like gravity.
Glaucus
Profile Joined June 2009
479 Posts
January 23 2010 17:40 GMT
#678
On January 24 2010 01:57 Straylight wrote:
I'm pretty sure semi-pros don't get shit for money.


What does this mean?

I'm not talking about what is the situation with progamers. I am just pointing out the meaning.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 17:47:08
January 23 2010 17:46 GMT
#679
On January 24 2010 01:11 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 00:59 RANDOMCL wrote:
On January 24 2010 00:18 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:
On January 23 2010 13:49 InToTheWannaB wrote:
On January 23 2010 13:46 exp wrote:
Maybe he'll win by only playing his worst matchup.

If he does win I hope pro teams do notice that he is beating high level semi pros in a matchup he only just started playing less then a year ago. Thats pretty damn impressive.


What high level semi pros? All people playing courage are amateurs, and on occasion trainee's. Nice try ret.


I don't think you know what "semi-professional" means. Players on pro teams, even at B-level, are "pro" players. Many of the participants in Courage are semi-professional players.


Courage is a tournament that is held only for people who're amateurs or a trainee. If you win courage = you become a semi-pro gamer. If you get drafted by a team = you become pro gamer. People training with the B team doesn't automatically make them semi-pro if they don't have a license, they're trainee's.

These are the correct definitions.

If you win courage and you're not on a team, you get your license and wait for a draft (happen twice a year). During this waiting period, you're a semi-pro. These semi-pros definitely have some skill for winning courage, but they've probably also played a bunch of tryouts with teams and (obviously) didn't pass any. So it's kinda weird. They got one good result but their play doesn't seem promising to coaches. And they get 0 pay. They're licensed but unemployed.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 17:55:24
January 23 2010 17:54 GMT
#680
On January 24 2010 00:59 RANDOMCL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 00:18 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:
On January 23 2010 13:49 InToTheWannaB wrote:
On January 23 2010 13:46 exp wrote:
Maybe he'll win by only playing his worst matchup.

If he does win I hope pro teams do notice that he is beating high level semi pros in a matchup he only just started playing less then a year ago. Thats pretty damn impressive.


What high level semi pros? All people playing courage are amateurs, and on occasion trainee's. Nice try ret.


I don't think you know what "semi-professional" means. Players on pro teams, even at B-level, are "pro" players. Many of the participants in Courage are semi-professional players.

A semi pro in korea means a person who won courage and got the progaming license but isnt drafted in a team yet. It doesnt matter what the actual word means because thats what the term stands for in korea. So in other words theres not a single semi pro in courage because they would have no reason to play in courage.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
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