EPTOSL Hype: Bisu/JD/Stork/etc winner predictions - Page 5
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lone_hydra
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DoctorHelvetica
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Djabanete
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It's 50/50: Calm, Kwanro, Hwasin Movie will win: Effort Maps favor Protoss: Jaedong, Calm, fantasy Maps are OK: Stork On January 16 2010 04:50 lone_hydra wrote: Hope Movie puts up more of a fight than Best. But honestly, Flash's last 4 TvPs wins are all timing pushes. Is that his new strategy? His new strategy is called "rape". | ||
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lone_hydra
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On January 16 2010 04:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He said specifically a new management style so no that isn't his new strategy Just like Stork said he's got a revolutionary PvZ management build... in which he never showed. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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I don't see your point | ||
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lone_hydra
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On January 16 2010 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Right, which he obviously hasn't used yet I don't see your point My point is this, both Stork and Flash said they had new amazing management builds in PvZ and TvP, then they both go play like around 5 really important PvZs(OSL) and TvPs(Stork, Best) afterwards, and they never used anything new. Can you still sit there and honestly say they "obviously" have something new and never used it? | ||
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Warrior Madness
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lone_hydra
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On January 16 2010 05:02 Warrior Madness wrote: Dunno. But as for the most talented foreign player in history it goes to Kolll hands down. In 1 and a half years he's surpassed a lot of the best foreign players who've been playing for 10 years... What was it, from D to B+ in 6 months? And he's only 15. Jesus christ. IIRC, both JD and flash had been playing SC for about 2.5 years before they both broke out on the progaming scene. Wrong thread? | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On January 16 2010 05:00 lone_hydra wrote: Of course Flash was saving it for the finals. Why would you show your hand before then? As for Stork, I don't know what's up with him.My point is this, both Stork and Flash said they had new amazing management builds in PvZ and TvP, then they both go play like around 5 really important PvZs(OSL) and TvPs(Stork, Best) afterwards, and they never used anything new. Can you still sit there and honestly say they "obviously" have something new and never used it? | ||
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SimonB
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On January 16 2010 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: and what happened to Flash's new "TvP management revolution", is he saving it for the OSL finals or is he still working on it? I guess we'll see. I said this in another thread: Flash's timing pushes may not seem revolutionary, but they're a direct counter against the greedy PvT builds of the last year or so. No longer can Toss get an early third and/or fourth without facing a much greater risk than before. That alters the meta game. Just like the triple-expand in ZvP disappeared with the Bisu build, Movie has to play Flash non-greedily on even grounds or get run over playing like BeSt. | ||
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Zozma
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FireGuyX
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On January 16 2010 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't think he's the type to come up with any sort of revolutionary management style, like Stork or Bisu. Movie might do cute timing attacks and cheeses but that should be about it.' Suddenly I'm reminded of Stork's claim that he has a revolutionary new PvZ style that he wanted to use against Kwanro but never got the chance. I wonder if we'll see that in PL and what happened to Flash's new "TvP management revolution", is he saving it for the OSL finals or is he still working on it? I guess we'll see. You don't consider Movie's PvZ revolutionary? | ||
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
 Stork's Prediction▲  Flash will win with a perfect score. Alot of people are saying Heartbreak Ridge is a heavily favored map for protoss, but New Heartbreak Ridge is sort of Okay for Terran. Also, I practiced with Flash recently and his TvP is really Really good.3:0, maybe a 3:1" T_T. >> << You can do it Movie! << >> | ||
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psychopat
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Jenia6109
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On January 16 2010 02:37 Zozma wrote: Movie has still got nothing compared to Stork and Bisu. I don't know what you're talking about, but if there's someone for Protoss players to envy that would be Bisu, the best Protoss player of all time, right? I dont debate about who is the best protoss. I just want to point that it's not impossible for Movie to win this OSL like Bisu won MSL against Savior and become a new Protoss main player. Also dont forget that Movie did what Bisu-Stork couldnt, he defeated Shine. And they most probably envy him about it. It's obviously. | ||
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Lebesgue
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 3:0 for Flash is real possibility given that he rolled over BeSt. Given that Movie is not even close regarding PvT to BeSt and Stork he IS A HUGE UNDERDOG. Moreover, I'm sure Flash is practicing with great PvT'ers like Stork, Stats, Violet maybe even Bisu or Kal (though he has his own semis but they are quite close with each other). I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to get also someone else to practice with just to learn how to play against different styles. Now Movie have lots of opportunities but there are far fewer good TvP'ers these days than PvT'ers. The best he can do is to ask Really to practice with. Other choices are Skyhigh (who for sure is helping him), Iris (he hasn't been that hot lately). I also predict that he has been prcicing weird builds with Much (just like Stork did before facing Fantasy). Obviously Fantsy won't help im as he is a close friend of Flash. The thing is that Flsh is friends with every top progamers while Movie is a rokie and he did not established that many relationship. And who wouldn't eant to practice with Flash given that he is the best player right now. Whoever he asks to practice with will agree unless the guy is from CJ or is practicing for his own games... | ||
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Kenpachi
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Lebesgue
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On January 16 2010 04:50 lone_hydra wrote: Hope Movie puts up more of a fight than Best. But honestly, Flash's last 4 TvPs wins are all timing pushes. Is that his new strategy? His new strategy is called "winning". But on the series note, it wasn't supposed to be a new strategy but a new management style. I guess it will be sth less obvious that a new timing attack or so. Might be just a few tricks and changes to his style that allow him fare better against P. | ||
Empyrean
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Djabanete
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On January 16 2010 06:29 Lebesgue wrote: His new strategy is called "winning". But on the series note, it wasn't supposed to be a new strategy but a new management style. I guess it will be sth less obvious that a new timing attack or so. Might be just a few tricks and changes to his style that allow him fare better against P. Wraith/Flare obviously. On January 16 2010 06:31 Empyrean wrote: It seems like Bisu forgot the fact that he won on his first time against an invincible opponent as well XD Flash is much more unpredictable right now than Savior was then. Flash is also very adaptable and is basically guaranteed to react well to any curveballs that Movie might throw --- unlike Savior who did the same thing three times in a row and basically just floundered against Bisu. In the world of professional starcraft, anything can happen, but to the extent that anything is guaranteed, Flash is guaranteed to beat Movie. You can throw that statement in my face if Flash loses, but that's not going to happen. | ||
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