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On January 06 2010 10:51 oberon wrote:
Calm (20)
Flash is currently at his peak, but he's 17. The only other player in the top 20 who peaked at 17 was Midas. Jaedong is currently 19, but he'll be 20 in 4 days (who's up for a party?!). The only player who wasn't on the downhill of their career during their 20th year was Boxer.
hey, what are you trying to say about Calm??
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i dont like seeing kwanro ranking 6th.
Movie is cool
Shine is just another fad.
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On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12
I know T > Z at lower levels, but I said A+/S-class level. Just seems like T > Z imba isn't bad enough to stop there from being like 3x as many top Zergs as top Terrans right now.
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Wowww Jaedong is almost twice as good as Bisu!
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On January 04 2010 14:31 Triple7 wrote: Bisu...  but Best!  And I knew  Jaedong was slumping!
wow that basically summed up all my thoughts at first glance
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On January 06 2010 12:44 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12 I know T > Z at lower levels, but I said A+/S-class level. Just seems like T > Z imba isn't bad enough to stop there from being like 3x as many top Zergs as top Terrans right now.
I've just scanned through the individual league standings, and there hasn't been any glaring zerg>terran results.
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On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2150: 4
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2150: 4
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2200: 1
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2200: 1
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On January 06 2010 12:51 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 12:44 Hinanawi wrote:On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12 I know T > Z at lower levels, but I said A+/S-class level. Just seems like T > Z imba isn't bad enough to stop there from being like 3x as many top Zergs as top Terrans right now. I've just scanned through the individual league standings, and there hasn't been any glaring zerg>terran results.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/168_Avalon_MSL
That's the most recent example.
But that was last season, and Kespa ranking a lot of zergs at the top reflects that they are in fact a season slow at updating their ranks. Right now Protoss is doing almost as well as zerg, whereas Terran is floundering so much lately that they don't even get to play vs zergs (ala 2 Terrans in OSL ro16).
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Haha, I wonder what would happen if Flash lost the OSL... Plus Shine/Movie OSL finalists would be almost as sad if not worse that Kwanro in the MSL finals  ... But I really think Shine deserves it, and if he won it, it would be a sight to see.
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On January 06 2010 13:08 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 12:51 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 06 2010 12:44 Hinanawi wrote:On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12 I know T > Z at lower levels, but I said A+/S-class level. Just seems like T > Z imba isn't bad enough to stop there from being like 3x as many top Zergs as top Terrans right now. I've just scanned through the individual league standings, and there hasn't been any glaring zerg>terran results. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/168_Avalon_MSLThat's the most recent example. But that was last season, and Kespa ranking a lot of zergs at the top reflects that they are in fact a season slow at updating their ranks. Right now Protoss is doing almost as well as zerg, whereas Terran is floundering so much lately that they don't even get to play vs zergs (ala 2 Terrans in OSL ro16).
Yeah, I was talking about this seasons. KeSPA is usually 2-3 months "slow". Terrans are looking the weakest right now overall. And not because of protoss killing them (which they are) but in all MUs.
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On January 06 2010 12:27 nodule wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 10:51 oberon wrote:
Calm (20)
Flash is currently at his peak, but he's 17. The only other player in the top 20 who peaked at 17 was Midas. Jaedong is currently 19, but he'll be 20 in 4 days (who's up for a party?!). The only player who wasn't on the downhill of their career during their 20th year was Boxer.
hey, what are you trying to say about Calm??
That there's a good chance his peak is behind him, and the longer time goes on, the higher that chance gets.
That's part of why Flash is so insane -- he's not just #1 ELO, he's #1 ELO and *young*. I wish historical ELOs were available to show how important this is. To give you an idea, Calm was Flash's current age in 2006. 2006!
--oberon
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On January 06 2010 14:34 oberon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 12:27 nodule wrote:On January 06 2010 10:51 oberon wrote:
Calm (20)
Flash is currently at his peak, but he's 17. The only other player in the top 20 who peaked at 17 was Midas. Jaedong is currently 19, but he'll be 20 in 4 days (who's up for a party?!). The only player who wasn't on the downhill of their career during their 20th year was Boxer.
hey, what are you trying to say about Calm?? That there's a good chance his peak is behind him, and the longer time goes on, the higher that chance gets. That's part of why Flash is so insane -- he's not just #1 ELO, he's #1 ELO and *young*. I wish historical ELOs were available to show how important this is. To give you an idea, Calm was Flash's current age in 2006. 2006! --oberon
I'm not sure if age is as strong of an indicator as you think it is. If you have the time, could you check when they reached their peak ELO relative to when they broke into the scene?
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On January 06 2010 13:08 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 12:12 QuakerOats wrote:
What?
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2100: 10
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2100: 7
Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2050: 21
Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2050: 12 Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2150: 4 Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2150: 4 Number of Terrans with vZ ELO above 2200: 1 Number of Zergs with vT ELO above 2200: 1
What are you trying to say? Same to the guy who said he only believes it's equal for S-class players. If we look at the top of each race, Flash's vZ ELO is almost 100 points higher than JD's vT ELO. So... TvZ is balanced for the guys ranked 2-4?
I'm not saying that ELO can conclusively say there is an imbalance but... yeah. It works for ZvP (Z's have higher ELO average vP) and PvT (P's have higher ELO average vT) too.
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Movie still doing very nicely, beat shine soon
Best is surprisingly coming up :O
And flash ofcourse will be #1 soon...
Stork showing whose the protoss boss, gj.
Too bad effort fell to fourth tho
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So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o
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On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o
He's still got like 700 points for his back to back OSL wins. But Flash has caught up significantly, though.
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On January 06 2010 09:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 05:22 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 05 2010 15:03 Mindcrime wrote:On January 05 2010 15:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On January 05 2010 05:20 timmeh wrote:On January 05 2010 05:17 Southlight wrote:On January 04 2010 14:56 StukA wrote:
IdrA 231 wooo!!! If nothing else he can say he was ranked higher than Kang Ming. Which begs the question, who is Kang Ming? I am sorry, but this cuts me deep. Real deep. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/37_Nal_rA I still don't know who the fuck this "Kang Ming" person is. Oh come on, I didn't even notice the typo, just thought we had another person who joined at the end of 2009 and has never heard of the old greats. Bite me. On January 05 2010 15:47 Avidkeystamper wrote:
People have no common sense on the internet, I swear. I'm going to assume this wasn't directed at me. It wasn't ; P
Good, can't have us devout followers of The Swarm fighting amongst ourselves <3
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On January 06 2010 17:52 FragKrag wrote:
So weird seeing Jaedong at #1 lol
I guess KeSPA rank is less temperamental than some other rankings :o
Why is it weird?
How come people forget that JD won back to back OSLs and reached MSL semi-finals?
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I'm so excited about this Flash era.
There's no one else on that list for me really, this is the Flash + some nubs ranking.
he's sooooooooo fucking goooooood
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On January 06 2010 14:49 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 14:34 oberon wrote:On January 06 2010 12:27 nodule wrote:On January 06 2010 10:51 oberon wrote:
Calm (20)
Flash is currently at his peak, but he's 17. The only other player in the top 20 who peaked at 17 was Midas. Jaedong is currently 19, but he'll be 20 in 4 days (who's up for a party?!). The only player who wasn't on the downhill of their career during their 20th year was Boxer.
hey, what are you trying to say about Calm?? That there's a good chance his peak is behind him, and the longer time goes on, the higher that chance gets. That's part of why Flash is so insane -- he's not just #1 ELO, he's #1 ELO and *young*. I wish historical ELOs were available to show how important this is. To give you an idea, Calm was Flash's current age in 2006. 2006! --oberon I'm not sure if age is as strong of an indicator as you think it is. If you have the time, could you check when they reached their peak ELO relative to when they broke into the scene?
That depends on what "broke into the scene" means. Their first game in TLPD? That's probably the closest approximation I can get, and I can do that if anyone cares. I strongly suspect it won't be relevant, however -- when age correlates so strongly with peak, it doesn't matter if it's causative or not -- it's probably going to continue to correlate.
--oberon
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