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On October 21 2009 15:41 LCC wrote:
Everyone should be looking for someone who hasn't made it past Ro16 in any leagues, has very few fans, plays standard 90% of the time, doesn't excel or suck at any matchup, and has a 40-50% winrate. The average joe is someone that nobody notices or cares about, but wins games every now and then.
Lomo?
Except this one time in Gom he seems to fill that pretty nice?
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Lomo is known as the bubblegum terran and is known for his wraiths in tvz. Plus everyone is homo for lomo.
Not average enough. =(
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Awesome idea this thread is.  HakSoo seems like a good choice. Utterly unremarkable. The terran  Shine comes to mind as another average joe. And  Juni, or Chavi, from Samsung KHAN. Not so good, but not that bad either.
I think Rock is a decidedly bad choice. This player is in no way average. He is setting new lows for televised play, after having been reasonable good. He even has a trademark strategy.
UpMaGiC is actually pretty good, arguably the hero of team eSTRO. That his winrate is not that staggering is no surprise, few players are so good and so consistent that a statistic ranging years back can be positive. Only the true monsters have 60+% winrate, the A-class has 50+% winrate. A player between 40 and 50% I think indeed qualifies on first glance as an average joe, but I feel that that's not enough. Many ACE players have below 50% winrate, but none of them are average. History, style, achievements, status within the team...
Also, not every game is the same, as UpMaGiC remarked in his recent winner interview. Some games are more important than others. Ace matches, obviously, but also the 5th game in a best of three, a losers match in the OSL, a snipe chance in the proleague finals. A player who wins, for example, two starleagues in a season with only 3-2s and thenceforth sucking, can he be called average? Surely not, when true average joes like HakSoo and, let's throw another protoss in, Jaehoon are about.
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Canata always seemed to be the most average to me.
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On October 21 2009 06:56 Slugbreath wrote:
Yes, I too will admit that the number 88% was very high and made me think "now this can't be real" but I was in a hurry when I posted the thread (not that that's any good excuse though!). How I arrived at the number though might be of intrest.
Seing how the imediate stats displayed on a page is usually slightly off, I decided to manually count every win he has had that is registered in the TLPD and I counted that to 370. I then divided it with 417, which is the amount of games he has played. However, now that I think back on it, I probably lost count when I was counting and accidentally added 100. "267, 268, 269, 370". A huge blunder but an easy mistake to do.
If we calculate with 270 wins instead of 370 we arrive at 64.75%, a much more reasonable result.
I do appologize for my blunder. ^^'
fix the OP please
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On November 24 2009 15:01 CoOl]1st[ wrote:i think it's Sea.Really
Really
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I'd say really, he wins games here and there but dosent do anything special
Edit: pure could be mr average aswell
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Pure looks like an absolute badass when he plays though. He kind of reminds me of a fox, fittingly enough.
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On October 21 2009 03:48 sixghost wrote:The answer is Rock.
Rock isnt exactly average. Rock however would win the 'awesomely bad' progamer award faster than you can say 'right-said-fred'.
I think Much and sea are both pretty good responses
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On October 21 2009 02:40 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2009 02:29 EtherealDeath wrote:
What the hell Bisu has 370 wins out of 416 games????? ok what? I just read that again and that's definitely unreal. No progamer will ever come close to 88% win.
Iloveoov was pretty close I think. Even now he's close to 70% TvZ and 60% in other matchups and in his prime he was a true monster.
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its easier than that : Toss: Violet Terran : Go.Go Zerg: hyuk
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Darkelf is the average progaming joe.
Or, if we want to get technical, some unknown gamer that has at most 1 televised appearance since thats how it is for most progamers.
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The average Joe has to be Terran. Because to play the best possible terran, you often have to be the most boring player you can be.
And you can't be boring if you cast storms in every PvZ and do reaver attacks as regular openings in TvP.
I agree with LCC, Notice sounds like the perfect guy; most people will recognize the nickname, but even the nickname suggests that this guy has no ambition what-so-ever and is probably boring to be around.
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On November 24 2009 21:38 ArvickHero wrote:
Or, if we want to get technical, some unknown gamer that has at most 1 televised appearance since thats how it is for most progamers.
This is what I was thinking. I would imagine the average pro plays a few proleague matches, doesn't do all that well, never gets out of the offlines, then eventually retires without accomplishing anything in progaming.
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Obviously Okay, he was decent.
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EPT
