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Who is StarCraft's progaming average Joe? - Page 3

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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 22:26:19
October 20 2009 22:25 GMT
#41
On October 21 2009 07:00 Mykill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On (Z)October 21 2009 03:48 sixghost wrote:
The answer is (P)Rock.


(P)Rock is NOT average.
He's the staple for mediocre.

Most average player is definitely (T)Hwasin.
great play, bad play, he's still doing decent.

still a cool little read. guys calm down

edit: for TLPD

Hwasin cant be put under the category of Average Joe, cause
1. He won the korean WCG in 2007
2. Excluding the last MSL he was utterly unlucky to meet everytime the future champion in the KO stage.
3. He is called the red sniper for a reason

Hwasin is a good player, actually a really good one who failed time and time again. Canata is smth completely different, he is always kind of there but cant advance any further, or the one time he was on fire got to meet fantasy and Jaedong in the same week
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 20 2009 22:27 GMT
#42
hahahahah, this was a good read
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 20 2009 22:55 GMT
#43
How is Hwasin an average joe in any sense? His recent play hasn't been that good, but he used to have some of the sharpest TvZ senses in the whole scene with really sharp builds and intelligent scv cutting. His style is something unique, and there is a reason why he boasted one of the best TvZs for a long time.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8180 Posts
October 20 2009 22:57 GMT
#44
I always considered (Z)keke to be the epitome of mediocre zerg players.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
October 21 2009 03:26 GMT
#45
Funny thread. I found your analysis to be painfully average in it's approach and outcome. I declare you the Average Joe of thread making!

For my two cents I would say (T)Light is the average Joe.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
October 21 2009 03:27 GMT
#46
On October 21 2009 01:49 tree.hugger wrote:
This is really irrelevant.

May I ask why you felt compelled to do this?

EDIT: Not... funny...


On October 21 2009 01:58 mOnion wrote:
this is a pathetic thread. just because SKT has the most players doesn't mean the player has to come from them.

you're variables are illogical.


wah.
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
October 21 2009 03:33 GMT
#47
I think Hiya is most average player of all average player. He gets my vote over Upmagic because I can actually remember Upmagic's games. I can't remember any of hiya's games to save my life.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 03:34:16
October 21 2009 03:33 GMT
#48
On October 21 2009 07:00 Mykill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On (Z)October 21 2009 03:48 sixghost wrote:
The answer is (P)Rock.


(P)Rock is NOT average.
He's the staple for mediocre.


...

You do realize that "average" and "mediocre" mean the exact same thing, right? Well, I mean probably you didn't, but they do. (Except mathematically. "Mediocre" isn't a mathematical term. Yet?)

EDIT: This thread is hilarious, both in topic and execution.
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siv00
Profile Joined September 2009
261 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 03:55:03
October 21 2009 03:53 GMT
#49
On October 21 2009 12:33 Musoeun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 07:00 Mykill wrote:
On (Z)October 21 2009 03:48 sixghost wrote:
The answer is (P)Rock.


(P)Rock is NOT average.
He's the staple for mediocre.


...

You do realize that "average" and "mediocre" mean the exact same thing, right? Well, I mean probably you didn't, but they do. (Except mathematically. "Mediocre" isn't a mathematical term. Yet?)

EDIT: This thread is hilarious, both in topic and execution.


Not exactly, mediocre implies possibly substandard/inferior yet passable, it's often derogatory while average is strict in its meaning, they are synonyms but not "exact"
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
October 21 2009 04:01 GMT
#50
Sangho
zeppelin
Profile Joined December 2007
United States565 Posts
October 21 2009 04:02 GMT
#51
I forget about (T)Mind more than I forget about any other notable player, but he's won an MSL so I don't know if it counts
zeppelin
Profile Joined December 2007
United States565 Posts
October 21 2009 04:03 GMT
#52
On October 21 2009 12:33 Athos wrote:
I think Hiya is most average player of all average player. He gets my vote over Upmagic because I can actually remember Upmagic's games. I can't remember any of hiya's games to save my life.


There's nothing "average joe" about magikarp
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
October 21 2009 04:07 GMT
#53
Isn't it obvious, go.go?
Jaedong
FallingTeardrops
Profile Joined October 2009
United States46 Posts
October 21 2009 04:41 GMT
#54
Now, the topic of this thread has been changed to:


Find the progamer with least amount of televised matches.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
October 21 2009 05:00 GMT
#55
my 2 cents is that i would propose that because the pro's win on such a scale (of like >60%) this means that the average person is actually going to have a smaller rating because when you add up all the percents , their distrubution puts the average actually at a little below 50%.

however this proposed on the untested idea that most (litterally >50%) progamers have under 50% winrate. which should be possible for the industry to survive... except maybe ive got this backwards due to retirement and lifespans....
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TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
October 21 2009 05:01 GMT
#56
On October 21 2009 13:41 FallingTeardrops wrote:
Now, the topic of this thread has been changed to:


Find the progamer with least amount of televised matches.


classic has 2.
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omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 06:06:47
October 21 2009 06:04 GMT
#57
ROFFAIL OP answer
+ Show Spoiler [most average] +
(P)Rock
.
I didnt read the above comments but I am hoping there were others who preempted me.
LCC
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada348 Posts
October 21 2009 06:41 GMT
#58
Everyone should be looking for someone who hasn't made it past Ro16 in any leagues, has very few fans, plays standard 90% of the time, doesn't excel or suck at any matchup, and has a 40-50% winrate. The average joe is someone that nobody notices or cares about, but wins games every now and then.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
October 21 2009 08:47 GMT
#59
Thezerg? He even makes "average" amount of lineup appearances!
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
October 21 2009 09:18 GMT
#60
the logic is flawed... average joe is a player whose name we cant even remember
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
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