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Who is StarCraft's progaming average Joe? - Page 2

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vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
October 20 2009 19:01 GMT
#21
Doesn't Protoss have the least amount of players.. not the most? ProScene -wise?
Breaking Bad
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
October 20 2009 19:09 GMT
#22
On October 21 2009 03:48 sixghost wrote:
The answer is (P)Rock.

Rock goes back and forth between entertaining and fail...which is pretty entertaining as well.

Definitely not average.
Hello
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
October 20 2009 19:16 GMT
#23
Players like Canata and Goodfriend seem more apt for this. Standard players who hover around 50% and never end up winning anything big.
Oh, my eSports
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
October 20 2009 19:17 GMT
#24
On October 21 2009 04:16 QibingZero wrote:
Players like Canata and Goodfriend seem more apt for this. Standard players who hover around 50% and never end up winning anything big.

OSL finalists are not average -__-

I liked the OP, even though some of the logic was faulty.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5660 Posts
October 20 2009 19:57 GMT
#25
ya there would need to be moar sacrasm or whimsical-ness to be considered funny -_-
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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
October 20 2009 19:57 GMT
#26
The average joe should be those B-team members we will never see
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
October 20 2009 20:01 GMT
#27
(T)Sea

never won a league, his team is always in the middle of the table, always passes the qualifiers and fails in the main tournament.

he plays terran, the average human race.

my life is average also.
I am not good with quotes
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
October 20 2009 20:02 GMT
#28
excellent work, I chuckled.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 20 2009 20:11 GMT
#29
Upmagic.

1v1 Record: All: 94-100 (48.45%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L W W L L L W W | View Games
vT: 38-36 (51.35%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W L L W L W W W W | View Games
vZ: 31-33 (48.44%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W L L W W L L L L | View Games
vP: 25-31 (44.64%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L W W W L W W W L L | View Games


He isn't very standad in his play however. You could argue that his unique style is what makes him a "likable," average joe. At least stat wise he's really close to the middle.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
October 20 2009 20:12 GMT
#30
On (Z)October 21 2009 05:01 s.a.y wrote:
(T)Sea

never won a league, his team is always in the middle of the table, always passes the qualifiers and fails in the main tournament.

he plays terran, the average human race.

my life is average also.


This is EXACTLY what I was going to say. (T)Sea is such an average player its painful sometimes (I'm a huge (T)Sea fan).

The funny thing is the rest of his team (for the MOST part) is a little bit below average so I dont think he has any risk of losing his job. Its awesome to see him be reliable for MBC though. He plays very strong and 'average', and his decision making in his recent game against (Z)Hyuk was good (not that (Z)Hyuk is very good in TvZ...).

That said... (T)Sea HWAITING.
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
October 20 2009 20:12 GMT
#31
(T)Really
searcher
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
277 Posts
October 20 2009 20:50 GMT
#32
Are you guys all idiots or something? He's not trying to be serious rofl. It's hilarious how you're all faulting him for his logic.
Slugbreath
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden201 Posts
October 20 2009 21:08 GMT
#33
Wow, quite a few responses that are critizising my statistical analysis! I was not expecting that, I must say.

First of all, this thread was never ment to be taken -seriously-. After all, it's impossible to state that somebody truly is the most average progamer.

Secondly, some of you seem to have mixed up my conclusions. I might have failed to express my line of thought, and if such is the case well then it's my bad. What I tried to do was to present two ways of looking at the problem of finding mr. average:

One mockery way where I just looked at the most common race and team (which any statistican would tell you really isn't a good way of finding the most average player) and one statistically better way where I -only- look at the ELO and ignore factors like race and team. Look at it again, will you? The person I selected as the most average player at the moment, wasn't even from SK Telecom.

So relax and don't take this thread too seriously, will you? Then again, I guess it is rather normal to overreact, so I guess it's all in line with the theme of the thread!
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 21:31:05
October 20 2009 21:29 GMT
#34
On October 21 2009 02:40 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 02:29 EtherealDeath wrote:
What the hell Bisu has 370 wins out of 416 games?????


ok what? I just read that again and that's definitely unreal. No progamer will ever come close to 88% win.


The stat is clearly wrong.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/125_Bisu

229-126 in KeSPA sanctioned games.

Edit: BTW, I know OP's thread was a joke, but I don't know if he was pulling numbers out of his ass or what.
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Slugbreath
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden201 Posts
October 20 2009 21:56 GMT
#35
Yes, I too will admit that the number 88% was very high and made me think "now this can't be real" but I was in a hurry when I posted the thread (not that that's any good excuse though!). How I arrived at the number though might be of intrest.

Seing how the imediate stats displayed on a page is usually slightly off, I decided to manually count every win he has had that is registered in the TLPD and I counted that to 370. I then divided it with 417, which is the amount of games he has played. However, now that I think back on it, I probably lost count when I was counting and accidentally added 100. "267, 268, 269, 370". A huge blunder but an easy mistake to do.

If we calculate with 270 wins instead of 370 we arrive at 64.75%, a much more reasonable result.

I do appologize for my blunder. ^^'
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 22:01:32
October 20 2009 22:00 GMT
#36
On (Z)October 21 2009 03:48 sixghost wrote:
The answer is (P)Rock.


(P)Rock is NOT average.
He's the staple for mediocre.

Most average player is definitely (T)Hwasin.
great play, bad play, he's still doing decent.

still a cool little read. guys calm down

edit: for TLPD
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siv00
Profile Joined September 2009
261 Posts
October 20 2009 22:00 GMT
#37
...you spent time manually counting the wins of all the Protoss players on SKT1... to create this?
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
October 20 2009 22:04 GMT
#38
On October 21 2009 07:00 siv00 wrote:
...you spent time manually counting the wins of all the Protoss players on SKT1... to create this?


Wow wtf lol
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 20 2009 22:07 GMT
#39
On October 21 2009 02:40 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 02:29 EtherealDeath wrote:
What the hell Bisu has 370 wins out of 416 games?????


ok what? I just read that again and that's definitely unreal. No progamer will ever come close to 88% win.


unless they win their first game...
then retire..

:D
:)
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
October 20 2009 22:08 GMT
#40
Though painful to say, I'd nominate (P)Much for being the average joe. Just about 50% win, sometimes lose to bad players, sometimes win against good players, but never really excels at anything, nor has he really won anything either. But he's awesome anyway, so it's ok. :>
1000 at least.
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