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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
On September 08 2009 12:55 Xiphos wrote: Man, I wish NaDa can top over Flash, Reach/Anytime can take down Bisu/Stork so we have have a REAL old school fight. These days, games are just so mechanical intensive that there are nearly no creative games. Do you make a special effort not to watch Fantasy/Flash games? Because the play they show is far far far more creative and brilliant than anything Nada/Reach/Anytime have ever displayed. | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
They enjoy watching Nada micro a control group of m&m to kill way more zerg units/buildings than he should of, and they enjoy watching Reach play super aggressive 2base using zealot bombs and storms. They enjoy watching Yellow do slow drops with lurkers, and Boxer locking things down or bunker rushing. And honestly, I'm inclined to agree with them, even though I've enjoyed plenty of games showcasing Flash and Fantasy nearly as much. | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
*votes frantically for leta/hwasin/calm/lux/jangbi/free* | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On September 08 2009 14:01 Ver wrote: Yeah Savior is playing so badly right now. He still put up decent performances in his MSL ZvT's but he's so sloppy and way way worse than he used to be. Very painful to see. Do you make a special effort not to watch Fantasy/Flash games? Because the play they show is far far far more creative and brilliant than anything Nada/Reach/Anytime have ever displayed. Yeh, | ||
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
On September 08 2009 14:27 QibingZero wrote: Honestly, Fantasy/Flash are not the best examples of very exciting styles of play, though. Your average starcraft fan, and D rank player, does not get their enjoyment from watching Flash play a perfect defense and move out with his upgrades with a near invulnerable army, or from watching Fantasy play mech TvZ in nearly the same fashion. They enjoy watching Nada micro a control group of m&m to kill way more zerg units/buildings than he should of, and they enjoy watching Reach play super aggressive 2base using zealot bombs and storms. They enjoy watching Yellow do slow drops with lurkers, and Boxer locking things down or bunker rushing. And honestly, I'm inclined to agree with them, even though I've enjoyed plenty of games showcasing Flash and Fantasy nearly as much. I agree with you about excitement. The average fan can't see the deep moves so flashy stuff will be much more enjoyable to them. Though Fantasy is a pretty flashy player even though he plays complex strategies so it's half and half. But anyway he said: These days, games are just so mechanical intensive that there are nearly no creative games. Flash and Fantasy/oov are very creative players, exciting or not. Nada/Reach on the other hand are not. Their strength comes from execution, not amazing strategies or decisions. Anytime is creative to a certain degree but definitely not to the same level as Fantasy (yeah oov)/Flash. Nada ironically is the definition of a mechanical player, and Reach as well with more emphasis on micro and less on multitasking. 2008-9 is actually one of the most creative ages in SC history so it's rather goofy that many are somehow under this delusion that's all about mechanics. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On September 08 2009 16:34 Ver wrote: Fantasy (yeah oov). On what grounds do you assume that? You even labeled the "fantasy build" as the "oov build" on Liquipedia. Is there any supporting evidence? | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
Terran: 3. (T)fantasy 3192 13.58% ▲.01% - likely as SKT pick 4. (T)NaDa 1516 6.58% ▲.12% - likely as WeMade, if not then pick Mind, if not not. then I dont know what the fuck is going on.  Rock maybe?5. (T)fOrGG 1378 5.98% NEW - maybe not, see what luxury and other KT has to say. Zerg: 3. (Z)Jaedong 3935 17.08% ▽.07% - obviously. 4. (Z)EffOrt 1976 8.58% ▽.09% - obviously again, unless cj want Much or Skyhigh, etc. 5. (Z)Hyuk 1317 5.72% ▲.09% - No. Protoss: 3. (P)BeSt 2993 12.99% ▽.07% - either him or Fantasy. 4. (P)Reach 2017 8.76% ▲.13% - either him or anytime. 5. (P)Anytime 1000 4.34% ▽.02% - " " Leta is not even in the Terran top 5? lol. | ||
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
For the TvZ one (the mech fake): In Feb 16th Fantasy loses to Zero playing 1 rax FE. oov gets sent out on Chupung Ryeong and wins with that build (game here: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11277_iloveoov_vs_ZerO). Note that Fantasy has never used this build before. Now two weeks later he uses it 3 games in a row to beat Luxury and pretty much starts using it or some variation in the majority of his TvZs to this day. However, the strongest indicator is what rA says here in his article on the Ganzi v Jaedong game (article translation here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=92984). Adding on, I want to say thanks to SKTelecom T1's iloveoOv playing coach, who continues to research and create new builds, increase the effectiveness of strategies, and showed that he can still win games, making Starcraft much more exciting to watch.-rA Ganzi played the exact same mech fake strategy that oov/fantasy used. Pretty sure rA knows what he's talking about. For the TvP build: on 1-17 oov gets sent out against Ace and uses the 'iloveoov build' (fact cc acad port 2 facts cc) against Rage, Daezang, and Anytime. Fantasy has never used this build before that set. It is now his mainstay TvP strategy and the one he became '#1 TvP' with. Also important is that this strategy is the same overall concept that oov has used several times in the past with inventing new TvZ strategies, specifically: -2 rax acad fe -8 rax bunker rush-> fe -the 'fantasy build' All of these follow the idea of 'threaten danger while expanding instead' in one way or another, just like this TvP build does. It wouldn't be an unreasonable inference that every time oov is sent out in proleague he's out there to test a build. All 3 of his appearances have featured unique strategies and two of them ended up being used extensively and to great success. And to top it off oov is outside of these two builds the most proven innovator in SC history. Interview evidence clearly confirms that he created the original 'fantasy build' (the vulture drop -> valk mech) so it's not like he can't keep up with modern strategy. Basically pretty much everything points to oov making them. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On September 06 2009 14:55 mog87 wrote: Why the hell is boring Best so popular..especially over Free, Jangbi, Stork. Kal, Much etc.. Tank running over a galaxy. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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Ideas
United States8171 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On September 09 2009 08:54 emucxg wrote: no bisu :o If you are referring to anch's post then may I mind you that it's only from #3 to #5. Bisu, without any doubt at the moment, is one of the progamers with the hugest fan base. You don't even need to look at the result to see if he wins the poll. He had actually won it before the poll even started lol So don't worry. he'll be there =P That and the fact he's currently the best and only reliable Toss out there ... | ||
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Shadeye
Australia75 Posts
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On September 10 2009 09:29 l10f wrote: Updated, probably won't update for a few days since nobody's changing more than .2%, but I'm still keeping my eye on it, so I'll update if anything significant happens. Doubt it though. You never know, on the last day the votes could end up very differently. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5593 Posts
flash/boxer calm/effort bisu/horang2 | ||
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