Dunno the sponsor yet, could be ShinHan for this too but I doubt it. Dates will be updated as they come in.
UPDATE: This ODT will be sponsored by iStation.
Format's the way it's been last few seasons, (Game 1, Game 2, Winner's Round, Loser's Round, Final Round) which means 2 people per group. There are 9 groups, so 18 will advance, plus the 6 who are seeded from previous OSL... makes up ShinHan2 OSL!
The players come from: 1) ShinHan1 OSL who are not seeded. (18) 2) Winners from the Offline ODT Qualifiers (18)
with that being said, here's the brackets!
Group A: 7/17 (Mon) Game 1 - ShinHwa[Name] (Z) < Ever)P(TT (P) @ 815 III Game 2 - Child (Z) < Shine[Name] (T) @ 815 III Winners - Ever)P(TT (P) < Shine[Name] (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - ShinHwa[Name] (Z) > Child (Z) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - Ever)P(TT (P) > ShinHwa[Name] @ Rush Hour 3
Group B: 7/19 (Wed) Game 1 - YellOw[Name] (Z) < GGPlay (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - PuSan (P) > Canata (T) @ 815 III Winners - GGPlay (Z) > PuSan (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - YellOw[Name] < Canata (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - PuSan (P) < Canata (T) @ Rush Hour 3
Group C: 7/24 (Mon) Game 1 - BoxeR (T) < firebathero (T) @ 815 III Game 2 - Stay[HyO](Z) < Bisu[Shield] (P) @ 815 III Winners - firebathero (T) > Bisu[Shield] (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - BoxeR (T) > Stay[HyO](Z) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - Bisu[Shield] (P) > BoxeR (T) @ Rush Hour 3
Group D: 7/26 (Wed) Game 1 - NaL_rA (P) < Shark[gm] (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - Midas (T) > NaDa (T) @ 815 III Winners - Shark[gm] < Midas (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - NaL_rA (P) < NaDa (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - Shark[gm] (Z) < NaDa (T) @ Rush Hour 3
Group E: 7/31 (Mon) Game 1 - Sea (T) > KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - Sync (T) < AnyTime (P) @ 815 III Winners - Sea (T) < AnyTime (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) > Sync (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - Sea (T) > KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) @ Rush Hour 3
Group F: 8/2 (Wed) Game 1 - GooDFriend (T) < JiHyun[jOypOp] (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - Oov (T) < N.aCe)ever (P) @ 815 III Winners - JiHyun[jOypOp] (Z) > N.aCe)ever (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - GooDFriend (T) > Oov (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - GooDFriend (T) > N.aCe)ever (P) @ Rush Hour 3
Group G: 8/4 (Fri) Game 1 - Rock (P) > Luxury[GsP] (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - Rainbow (P) < Light[Alive] (T) @ 815 III Winners - Rock (P) > Light[Alive] (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Luxury[GsP] (Z) > Rainbow (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - Light[Alive] (T) > Luxury[GsP] (Z) @ Rush Hour 3
Group H: 8/14 (Mon) Game 1 - GoRush (Z) > SauL[gm] (P) @ 815 III Game 2 - July (Z) < Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) @ 815 III Winners - GoRush (Z) > Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - SauL[gm] < July (Z) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) < July (Z) @ Rush Hour 3
Group I: 8/16 (Wed) Game 1 - ClouD (T) > pepe[z-zone] (T) @ 815 III Game 2 - Stork (P) < Sea.Jy (Z) @ 815 III Winners - ClouD (T) < Sea.Jy (Z) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - pepe[z-zone] (T) < StOrk (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - ClouD (T) > StOrk (P) @ Rush Hour 3
List for the next OSL, 2006 ShinHan-2 OnGameNet Starleague
wow group D looks really tough. Nice of them to put pusan in half zerg group. I think this will really bring him out of his slump. His PvZ really is his best matchup, he totally raped yellow during one proleague ace match. Go pusan! Group G has the most consistent protosses ever for OSL and Proleague. This dual tournament will be better than the osl we just had.
A: My Pick goes to Shine. B: Canata or Yellow jr. C: ... til the day he dies. D: Midas E: Sea... maybe Hyuk. F: Oov is Oov is Oov. G: Let's see all 7 colors!!! H: Only cuz I'm an eternal fan.. GoRush! I: Stork!! I believe!!!
And I honestly believe group B is the hardest group.
B: GGplay, Canata <--- Group of death, any combo of the 4 could advance (I call GGplay since first round Yellow plays ZvZ, his worst mu by far, and I think Pusan beats Canata on 815, so GGplay beats Pusan on Cult and gets into OSL...if Canata beats Pusan first round, GGplay will probably lose to Canata and play vs Yellow[name] again on Rush Hour, so I see GGplay as having the "easiest" ride into OSL based MU's and maps)
C: Boxer, Bisu (?) As far as I'm concerned, Boxer makes it out if he plays well and then it's a toss up for the second spot, but I call Bisu based on maps and the fact that I think his PvZ is solid enough to beat Stay.
D: Ra, NaDa This group is also very hard. Ra vs Shark is a toss up because of the map, NaDa should beat Midas. NaDa should beat SHark if they play on Cult, but will probably lose to Ra if they play on Cult. If Ra wins vs Shark, we will probably see Ra > NaDa, Midas > Shark in second round and NaDa > Midas in final match.
E: Sea, Anytime Sea wins first match easy, Anytime should win first match since he is so good on 815. Sea vs Anytime on Cult seems like a toss up to me depending on how good a build Anytime has planned. In any case, I think Hyuk has no chance at all.
F: GF, Oov Anything else is an upset.
G: Rock, Light
H: GoRush, July Hwasin will be the man to watch. If he beats July first game, he will almost certainly escape into OSL. If he loses to July, we may see him again on Rush Hour. I know nothing about Saul[gm], but Gorush should decimate him first round. Hwasin has very good TvZ/TvT, I don't know how his TvP will fare if he has to play Saul on Cult.
I: Cloud, Stork Jy is the man to watch. Pepe is pretty good, but I doubt he can match the giant killer TvT. If Jy pulls an upset first game, we will probably see him again on Rush Hour, since I think Cloud will beat him on Cult. This would likely mean Jy vs Stork again on Rush Hour, in which case I think Jy would advance. If Jy fails to win that first match, we will probably see Pepe > Jy and then we will almost certainly see Cloud and Stork walk out of this group.
On June 28 2006 11:04 SuperJongMan wrote: A: My Pick goes to Shine. B: Canata or Yellow jr. C: ... til the day he dies. D: Midas E: Sea... maybe Hyuk. F: Oov is Oov is Oov. G: Let's see all 7 colors!!! H: Only cuz I'm an eternal fan.. GoRush! I: Stork!! I believe!!!
And I honestly believe group B is the hardest group.
Group B is the group of death as far as I'm concerned :o. But you forget that 2 advance from each group. Thus, 18 players advance from this round and meet up with the 6 seeds for next OSL.
I actually think Yellow[name] has a bad chance of making OSL, despite being one of the best ZvTers AND ZvPers in the world. The problem for poor Yellow is his ZvZ is far weaker than his other MUs despite having such incredible micro, whereas I am convinced that GGplay is more well-rounded and stronger at ZvZ. Canata seems to be the best bet from this group. Either way, he faces a Zerg in round 2, and combining his powerful TvZ with Cultivation Period should make him unstoppable.
I don't know how you think Midas will beat NaDa TvT, but maybe. If NaDa loses his first match vs Midas, he is 99% doomed. If he can win it, his chances are not half bad.
E: Hyuk from that group? Only if his ZvT is at Savior's level...
On June 28 2006 11:51 bsj9 wrote: Is NaDa a contender for the golden mouse? if yes, neat
yeah he is :D (won panasonic and IOPS)
On June 28 2006 13:02 xebra wrote: It's too bad Boxer is in the easiest group in the history of StarCraft. There's no way he's going to advance with opponents that bad.
they eliminated challenge league, those who would have qualified for challenge now qualify for dual along with all the osl players who didnt get seeded.
Group A: Game 1 - ShinHwa[Name] (Z) vs Ever)P(TT (P) @ 815 III Game 2 - Child (Z) vs Shine[Name] (T) @ 815 III Winners - Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Sin Pioneer Period Final - Rush Hour 3
I think shinhwa is favoured to win game 1 but perhaps not by much (TT is very good PvZ I think? Or was that Eros~Rage - TT used to be Eros~TT right?). I think shine will win game 2 and if shinhwa wins game 1, he'll qualify, if not.. I dunno, can go either way on rush hour :O But if child beats shinhwa I think shine will definitely go through (I wasn't impressed by child last OGN).
Group B: Game 1 - YellOw[Name] (Z) vs GGPlay (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - PuSan (P) vs Canata (T) @ 815 III Winners - Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Sin Pioneer Period Final - Rush Hour 3
Man, so canata FINALLY makes it and he gets PuSan on 815? And if he loses he'll most likely get terran-slayer (actually more like terran-chew-and-spit-right-outer) yellow[name].. Uh yeaaaaaah, this is going to be hard as hell for Canata.
Going with ggplay > yellow[name] (I'm not sure how good ggplay is at ZvZ, but I do know yellow[name] isn't good at it), pusan > canata and then yellow[name] > canata..
The game after that depends entirely on wether pusan is back in shape or not, if he isn't, I think yellow[name] will go through, if he is in shape and beats ggplay.. Damn, I want yellow[name] AND pusan.. But somehow I think only one will get through o_o
I think yellow[name] could make something work on Cultivation and beat canata..
Group C: Game 1 - BoxeR (T) vs firebathero (T) @ 815 III Game 2 - Stay[HyO](Z) vs Bisu[Shield] (P) @ 815 III Winners - Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Sin Pioneer Period Final - Rush Hour 3
Hrm, the guy who beat xellos to get there vs boxer.. I'll go with boxer because it's 815. Bisu. Bisu is g o d l y and it's a P>T map.. I'm going with Bisu in the next starleague, followed by boxer.
Group D: Game 1 - NaL_rA (P) vs Shark[gm] (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - Midas (T) vs NaDa (T) @ 815 III Winners - Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Sin Pioneer Period Final - Rush Hour 3
Nal_rA and ? Shark, midas, nada.. Completely open group but nal_ra should be in killer shape with the starleague final (I guess it kinda depends on his results in it and when this is played). So yeah, completely 100% open group, I just want nal_ra to advance.
Group E: Game 1 - Sea[Shield] (T) vs KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - Sync (T) vs AnyTime (P) @ 815 III Winners - Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Sin Pioneer Period Final - Rush Hour 3
Sea, Anytime. Sync does have a shot as his TvT is quite good tho, and he'll get to play vs hyuk on a favourable map most likely.
Group F: Game 1 - GooDFriend (T) vs JiHyun[jOypOp] (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - Oov (T) vs N.aCe)ever (P) @ 815 III Winners - Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Sin Pioneer Period Final - Rush Hour 3
Goodfriend and well, ever could actually make it... Oov has a horrible trackrecord on this map but Ever is like.. completely untested? If he wins he COULD qualify.. Jihyun's chances are not pretty if ever wins the first game but he could definitely get in if ever loses.
So uhm, I have no idea-_-
Group G: Game 1 - Rock (P) vs Luxury[GsP] (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - Rainbow (P) vs Light[Alive] (T) @ 815 III Winners - Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Sin Pioneer Period Final - Rush Hour 3
First game seems like a tossup.. If rock is performing well, anything can happen - he can beat ANYONE. On the other hand, Luxury is great ZvP. Dunno who to go with really. I think rainbow will beat light[alive] because it's 815 and all..
So, PvP on pioneer period.. Neither are famous for their good PvP I think? Although I think Rock took anytime to a 5th game before anytime qualified for SO1 (the challenge league finals) so hm. Let's say Rock goes through then.
Anyone should be able to win the final imo, although luxury will have to fight through map imbalance to reach it (pioneer --).
Group H: Game 1 - GoRush (Z) vs SauL[gm] (P) @ 815 III Game 2 - July (Z) vs Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) @ 815 III Winners - Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Sin Pioneer Period Final - Rush Hour 3
Uhm, GoRush has been slumping so hard lately.. But tester is still relatively fresh and I don't really have any idea how good he is. July vs Hwasin.. I'll go with Hwasin based on the map.
If tester wins the first game, and hwasin does too, which he could but I think gorush is favoured, he might even be favoured to qualify? If he loses and hwasin loses hwasin wins, he's out. I don't think there's a single toss I'd give good odds to beat Julyzerg on sin pioneer period -_-;;
If he loses and hwasin does too, he's got a slight chance to win on Rush Hour.
Group I: Game 1 - ClouD (T) vs pepe[z-zone] (T) @ 815 III Game 2 - Stork (P) vs Sea.Jy (Z) @ 815 III Winners - Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Sin Pioneer Period Final - Rush Hour 3
ClouD and stork. I'm feeling almost certain, although I suppose Jy could win vs cloud in the last game if he gets past map imba.
Group A: Shinhwa and Child; i dont think shine has the spark for it
Group B: this is interesting, i suspect Game 1 - YellOw[Name] (Z) < GGPlay (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - PuSan (P) > Canata (T) @ 815 III Game 3 - GGPLay > Pusan @ Sin Pioneer Period Game 4 - Yellow[Name] < Canata @ Sin Pioneer Period Game 5 - Pusan > Canata @ Rush Hour So Pusan and GGplay advance
Group C: BoxeR and Stay.. although id like bisu to advance
Group D: Nal_rA and Shark; Shark is about to enter the primetime!!
Group E: Sea and Anytime; both really good players, although id like to see Anytime get elim
Group F: Gf and Oov... what a pathetic group
Group G: Luxury and Rainbow; luxury is the brother of yellow[name] ffs =p
Group H: July and Gorush; anything else is just wrong
Group I: Stork and Sea.Jy; Its time for Sea.Jy to break out onto the scene.. and Stork to make top 4
Last time maps were RoV, Luna and Rush Hour 2, and MU results after 20 groups and both playoffs & Dual groups: 28-7 ZvP 30-28(OMG BALANCE!!) TvZ 21-11 PvT
So compared to this prelim ZvP has leaned more towards balanced while the TvZ MU has gone notable much in Terrans favour. This can be explained by the maps for this prelim which were Sin Pioneering Period, 815 III, and Rush Hour 3.
Rush Hour 3 is basically same as Rush Hour 2, and produced most likely same results, but the two other maps are very hard ZvT(much harder than Luna&RoV), and easier PvZ than Luna and RoV. Wait WTF ? That can't be. Luna and RoV are statistically better balanced maps, however these statistics show otherwise. I'd explain it with many of the good Zergs being among the extra 8 that qualified for last OSL(Shinhwa, JJu, Yellow[Name] etc). However I dont think that perfectly justifies the fact that Protoss have performed so much better against Zerg in this prelim. Im quite positive the maps are better PvZ, especially 815.
PvT is basically unchanged, slightly better for Terran. Luna and RoV are about equally as hard TvP as 815 and Pioneering Period though. Especially on the latter mentioned, T>P after early game(in which P>T) if positions are close due to fast push. 815 is slightly harder TvP than Luna&RoV.
Sin Pioneering Period is really bad for PvZ...just really bad. 815 can be okay, depending on who the toss is and who the zerg is.Edit: what I mean by that is that certain styles PvZ are very effective on 815 and those toss players do well...other styles are not so effective and players who can't adapt to more effective styles won't do well.
On June 29 2006 19:55 Guybrush wrote: MU stats for the OGN-prelim
ZvP: 20-12
TvZ: 27-14
PvT: 19-12
Last time maps were RoV, Luna and Rush Hour 2, and MU results after 20 groups and both playoffs & Dual groups: 28-7 ZvP 30-28(OMG BALANCE!!) TvZ 21-11 PvT
So compared to this prelim ZvP has leaned more towards balanced while the TvZ MU has gone notable much in Terrans favour. This can be explained by the maps for this prelim which were Sin Pioneering Period, 815 III, and Rush Hour 3.
Rush Hour 3 is basically same as Rush Hour 2, and produced most likely same results, but the two other maps are very hard ZvT(much harder than Luna&RoV), and easier PvZ than Luna and RoV. Wait WTF ? That can't be. Luna and RoV are statistically better balanced maps, however these statistics show otherwise. I'd explain it with many of the good Zergs being among the extra 8 that qualified for last OSL(Shinhwa, JJu, Yellow[Name] etc). However I dont think that perfectly justifies the fact that Protoss have performed so much better against Zerg in this prelim. Im quite positive the maps are better PvZ, especially 815.
PvT is basically unchanged, slightly better for Terran. Luna and RoV are about equally as hard TvP as 815 and Pioneering Period though. Especially on the latter mentioned, T>P after early game(in which P>T) if positions are close due to fast push. 815 is slightly harder TvP than Luna&RoV.
Ehm, Pioneering and 815 are much harder - overall - than luna rov for terrans in PvT;; Pioneering is much harder PvZ than either map last time around. 815 and Rush Hour 3 are both pretty balanced, especially RH3.
I dunno, guess it just goes to show how little the stats really mean - just depends on who is having a good day and who is not?
They mean quite a bit really, but you need to consider a fairly large sample. There are 3 maps, 32 games ZvP, 41 games TvZ and 31 games PvT. All of these samples are small enough that if we compared them to the statistical mean values taken over all professional games played (all stats ZvP, all stats TvZ, all stats PvT), then we need to use Student's T-distribution, which gives us a much thicker tailed curve than a normal distribution.
If we wish to consider the balance of each map, then we're talking about an average of 11 games per map in ZvP and, 10 per map in PvT, and about 14 games per map in TvZ. The lower the sample, the "broader" our statistical distribution, so we begin to lose the accuracy of statistics as a predictor.
And this kind of naive understanding of the statistics still doesn't account for factors such as the unusually high percentage of Zergs who made it past the prelims before (so the average skill of the Zergs in the prelim rounds this time is somewhat weaker than it was before), or the random factors of how players are paired up, or the random factors of how a player is doing on a given day (which we can essentially consider as white noise).
On June 30 2006 10:12 Mortality wrote: They mean quite a bit really, but you need to consider a fairly large sample. There are 3 maps, 32 games ZvP, 41 games TvZ and 31 games PvT. All of these samples are small enough that if we compared them to the statistical mean values taken over all professional games played (all stats ZvP, all stats TvZ, all stats PvT), then we need to use Student's T-distribution, which gives us a much thicker tailed curve than a normal distribution.
If we wish to consider the balance of each map, then we're talking about an average of 11 games per map in ZvP and, 10 per map in PvT, and about 14 games per map in TvZ. The lower the sample, the "broader" our statistical distribution, so we begin to lose the accuracy of statistics as a predictor.
And this kind of naive understanding of the statistics still doesn't account for factors such as the unusually high percentage of Zergs who made it past the prelims before (so the average skill of the Zergs in the prelim rounds this time is somewhat weaker than it was before), or the random factors of how players are paired up, or the random factors of how a player is doing on a given day (which we can essentially consider as white noise).
i cant tell if you're arguing for or against stats. but no, theres far too many things beyond map balance affecting the outcomes of the games for stats to be given much attention until many games are played on it.
On June 30 2006 10:12 Mortality wrote: They mean quite a bit really, but you need to consider a fairly large sample. There are 3 maps, 32 games ZvP, 41 games TvZ and 31 games PvT. All of these samples are small enough that if we compared them to the statistical mean values taken over all professional games played (all stats ZvP, all stats TvZ, all stats PvT), then we need to use Student's T-distribution, which gives us a much thicker tailed curve than a normal distribution.
If we wish to consider the balance of each map, then we're talking about an average of 11 games per map in ZvP and, 10 per map in PvT, and about 14 games per map in TvZ. The lower the sample, the "broader" our statistical distribution, so we begin to lose the accuracy of statistics as a predictor.
And this kind of naive understanding of the statistics still doesn't account for factors such as the unusually high percentage of Zergs who made it past the prelims before (so the average skill of the Zergs in the prelim rounds this time is somewhat weaker than it was before), or the random factors of how players are paired up, or the random factors of how a player is doing on a given day (which we can essentially consider as white noise).
i cant tell if you're arguing for or against stats. but no, theres far too many things beyond map balance affecting the outcomes of the games for stats to be given much attention until many games are played on it.
I'm entirely for statistics, but statistics must be used properly. The stats here do correlate with map balance, but you have to be careful in how you look at them. Firstly, it must be recognized that the "true" win average in say, ZvP is not necessarily even close to 20-12. The more games that are played, the greater the certainty that we have. With 32 games played, it is pretty safe to say that these maps favor Zerg over Protoss, however, since only 32 games have been played, the maps could favor Zerg strongly, or only slightly -- we don't know. Also, we have to watch out for confounding variables (such as in line with what I was saying earlier, an unusually large group of Zergs made it into OSL and lasted fairly long, so the average skill of the Zergs in lower levels of qualifying rounds has decreased since last season).
So in short, yes the stats here correspond to the balance of the maps, but no, we cannot make statements any more aggressive than that until more games have been played.
Well, seeing how I forgot about this thread until I saw it just now, we could close my thread and keep this one going. Live2Win just needs to know that iStation is sponsoring this ODT.
Game One: ShinHwa[Name] (Z) < Ever)P(TT (P) Map: 815 III Ever played very defensively this game, taking a secret early expo and defending all his exps with plenty of PSI STORM against the hydra masses. eventually he teched to carr/sairs and swatted a few expos to shut down shinhwa before making a final carr/sair/archon/temp push and completely obliterating the hydra/dev army. GG
Game Two: Child (Z) < Shine[Name] (T) Map: 815 III Child fast expands and goes for a lurker first build while Shine uses 1 rax acad and then takes his nat. Child attempts to keep the front at Shine's nat with lurkerling, but Shine pushes him back with a constant stream of tanks and an infinite supply of comsat. Child can neither slow the advance nor damage it whatsoever, so he is forced to GG.
Winners Game: Ever)P(TT (P) < Shine[Name] (T) Map: Cultivation Period Ever lays down two proxy gates in the middle of the map, rallying zeals into Shine's main, but Shine holds off the rush with marine/vult/scv micro. Goons begin to flood into his main, but he manages to get a tank out and take on 3 goons with a single tank and scvs. once Shine got some breathing room, he played a pretty by the book game, taking his nat and slowly pushing to Ever's main with tanks and vults. Ever's rush/reaver harass just couldn't knock him off his solid footing. GG
Shine[Name] (T) moves on to the OSL.
Losers Game: ShinHwa[Name] (Z) > Child (Z) Map: Cultivation Period Both players 9 pool to begin the match, but a little bit of dumb luck/intuition for Child gives him a slight economic advantage with an early ling sneak to pick off a drone or two and halt mining for a good 10 seconds. However, later in the match, ShinHwa tips the scales in his favor by defending against a muta/ling attack with his own mutas while taking down Child's nat with a great ling sneak. With the huge advantage of a functional nat, it is only a matter of time before Child is forced to GG.
Child (Z) is eliminated from the ODT.
Final Game: ShinHwa[Name] (Z) < Ever)P(TT (P) Map: Rush Hour III Ever decides to play FE while ShinHwa[Name] 9 pools. The lings do not arrive in time to stop the cannons from warping in, so ShinHwa decides to take his nat. However, Ever has an ace up his sleeve, and shortly after warping in his nat cannons, warps in 3 cannons behind ShinHwa's natural mins. ShinHwa's lings narrowly miss the cannons on the way to Ever's nat, and as a result, ShinHwa's fresh expansion is wiped out while Ever's is just going online. While you, me, the commentators, and both players know the game is over, ShinHwa keeps playing for pride and Ever knows not the meaning of haste. Ever attempts to expand twice, securing the 9 oclock expo and even giving ShinHwa a chance to ram his entire hydra/muta/lurk/ling force into the easily defended natural before he makes his final push. GG
ShinHwa[Name] (Z) is out of the ODT, and Ever)P(TT (P) moves on to the OSL.
Damn, Pusan lost another important game on RushHour.
What's with him and that map anyway? For that matter, what are the TvP stats on it? I can't seem to remember a game where a toss won without fast/proxy dt and crap. Weird.
This thread needs a bump and an update. Current seeds for the next OSL are Casy, Chojja, Yellow, Jju, Iris, and Zergman. Players who have already made it are Ever)P(TT, Shine[name], GGPlay, Canata, firebathero, Bisu[Shield], Midas, and Nada.
There are currently 7 Ts, 5 Zs, and 2 Ps qualified for the next OSL. Theoretical maximums for each race in the next OSL, at this date, are as follows: 15 Terrans, 11 Zergs, and 8 Ps.
Just watched group D games and I must say NaDa seems to have grown a pair of fucking watermelons ! He just totally outplayed and "outballed" Nal_ra on cultivation and his 2 fact hanbang on RH was sexy too He still have one of the best TvZ control of the pro scene along with Boxer and Casy imho
Midas seems to have improved quite a lot in TvT but his TvZ control is pathetic from what I saw ( maybe due to pressure, Midas is that kind of super talented player who wet his pants during big events, not that I care too much since I don't like him at all -_- )
I hate him as well, but his control is anything but pathetic. You can't win TvZ's consistently with bad control and he took Savior to 5 games. It's not up there with Boxer, Nada and Casy, but still very good.
-.- They need to get rid of the two protoss graveyards - Cultivation vs Z and Rush vs T (in my experience rush is good and balanced but I'm not playing vs professional terrans and if the stats are 15-3 for terran, something is wrong).
On July 27 2006 09:40 FrozenArbiter wrote: -.- They need to get rid of the two protoss graveyards - Cultivation vs Z and Rush vs T (in my experience rush is good and balanced but I'm not playing vs professional terrans and if the stats are 15-3 for terran, something is wrong).
Even if Cultivation Period sucks PvZ, I still love watching that map that I can actually be ok with P's dying on that map.... Anyways, despite what P's qualify using the old maps, the new OSL maps will make it crazy and interesting for those who made it up. I can only imagine what the new Akanoid or whatever map will be like... OMG ~_~ Orgasm~ Hell, Peaks is at least modified to be far more balanced now, thank god. Arcadia is gonna be gay, but who doesn't have at least one map they dislike every season?
On July 26 2006 15:59 DJEtterStyle wrote: This thread needs a bump and an update. Current seeds for the next OSL are Casy, Chojja, Yellow, Jju, Iris, and Zergman. Players who have already made it are Ever)P(TT, Shine[name], GGPlay, Canata, firebathero, Bisu[Shield], Midas, and Nada.
There are currently 6 Ts, 6 Zs, and 2 Ps qualified for the next OSL. Theoretical maximums for each race in the next OSL, at this date, are as follows: 14 Terrans, 12 Zergs, and 8 Ps.
Nice post. The "theoretical" maxes seem comforting but...
On July 27 2006 09:40 FrozenArbiter wrote: -.- They need to get rid of the two protoss graveyards - Cultivation vs Z and Rush vs T (in my experience rush is good and balanced but I'm not playing vs professional terrans and if the stats are 15-3 for terran, something is wrong).
That's it...come to the darkside my friend.
But remember, complaining about maps is always "whining" and "reality" and "statistics" are irrelavent. You're just a whiner. Hahaha
Cool stuff, you're slowly mutating to our new Tfeign
I hope I don't. I've noticed this myself actually though. When I see what I type I think to myself "this is just one or two steps removed from tfeign."
Look at my posts about Savior. I'm going crazy about the guy because he is just so unbelievable (his game sense is O.O...only player too impress me so much before was NaDa when he stormed onto the scene in 2002...).
I don't know though. I still think that as much as I emote about the players I like, I'm not so dense as to let my feelings blind me. I actually HAVE voted against both players I consider my idols (NaDa and Savior, technically my third idol for Protoss would be IntoTheRain, but he doesn't play so -_-). And I still base my decisions not only on impressions from observing their game play but on analysis of game history (tfeign would pretend to do this, but in reality he would throw out games that he didn't feel like counting).
Sometimes I do trust my gut though. Something told me to vote against N.ace)ever over Oov. If someone told me I should do that 1 month ago I would have laughed at them, but I just have this sense that the combination of Oov being bored with the game and the fact that he's been on top for so long (hence everyone studies his style) is the reason for his lack of success recently. We'll see soon enough if that hunch is right.
On July 27 2006 10:08 bsj9 wrote: Agree, nada's best record is his TvZ o.O, I thought it was TvP
That's only for OSL btw
Overall, his TvZ is his worst record including Proleague and MBC games. Interestingly enough, I'm pretty sure (but not 100% sure) that NaDa's lifetime TvZ record is higher than Boxer's overall despite the fact that Boxer's OGN TvZ record is holy fucking shit good.
On July 26 2006 15:59 DJEtterStyle wrote: This thread needs a bump and an update. Current seeds for the next OSL are Casy, Chojja, Yellow, Jju, Iris, and Zergman. Players who have already made it are Ever)P(TT, Shine[name], GGPlay, Canata, firebathero, Bisu[Shield], Midas, and Nada.
There are currently 6 Ts, 6 Zs, and 2 Ps qualified for the next OSL. Theoretical maximums for each race in the next OSL, at this date, are as follows: 14 Terrans, 12 Zergs, and 8 Ps.
Nice post. The "theoretical" maxes seem comforting but...
On July 27 2006 09:40 FrozenArbiter wrote: -.- They need to get rid of the two protoss graveyards - Cultivation vs Z and Rush vs T (in my experience rush is good and balanced but I'm not playing vs professional terrans and if the stats are 15-3 for terran, something is wrong).
That's it...come to the darkside my friend.
But remember, complaining about maps is always "whining" and "reality" and "statistics" are irrelavent. You're just a whiner. Hahaha
Lol, after losing like 0-5, 0-5 (maybe it was just 0-3 0-3 but it felt worse ;D) to two different zergs on cultivation period I decided I hate that map.
I just realized that I counted Shine[name] as a Zerg in my initial post, so my count is off. It's actually 8-5-3, as Live2Win has edited his initial post to reflect. Word up.
As I predicted, Oov is out. Why I would vote against the best Terran in the world is almost beyond me, but Oov's recent performances just don't impress me so much and what was said about Oov being "bored" provides the explanation that justifies that. :o
I thought GF would beat JiHyun though. I guess TvZ on 815 isn't fundamental enough for an unoriginal player like GF? I'll have to read the live reports. -_-
anytime looked really good in his games. in fact, he owned. with the plethora of T's already in this OSL maybe we can see another strong performance from him this time.
Group G: 8/4 (Fri) Game 1 - Rock (P) > Luxury[GsP] (Z) @ 815 III Game 2 - Rainbow (P) < Light[Alive] (T) @ 815 III Winners - Rock (P) > Light[Alive] (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - Luxury[GsP] (Z) > Rainbow (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - Light[Alive] (T) > Luxury[GsP] (Z) @ Rush Hour 3
On August 02 2006 09:11 Mortality wrote: As I predicted, Oov is out. Why I would vote against the best Terran in the world is almost beyond me, but Oov's recent performances just don't impress me so much and what was said about Oov being "bored" provides the explanation that justifies that. :o
I thought GF would beat JiHyun though. I guess TvZ on 815 isn't fundamental enough for an unoriginal player like GF? I'll have to read the live reports. -_-
Xellos seems very bored too. If you have been seeing his games recently.... he doesn't even try. he cheeses or dies. Or he just plays totally lack luster. Only vs Chojja did he really play a worthwhile game and that was ages ago.
Group H: 8/14 (Mon) Game 1 - GoRush (Z) > SauL[gm] (P) @ 815 III Game 2 - July (Z) < Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) @ 815 III Winners - GoRush (Z) > Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period Losers - SauL[gm] < July (Z) @ Sin Pioneer Period Final - Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) < July (Z) @ Rush Hour 3