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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-16 02:48:16
June 28 2006 00:16 GMT
#1
Time for the OnGameNet Dual Tournement!

Dunno the sponsor yet, could be ShinHan for this too but I doubt it. Dates will be updated as they come in.

UPDATE: This ODT will be sponsored by iStation.

Format's the way it's been last few seasons, (Game 1, Game 2, Winner's Round, Loser's Round, Final Round) which means 2 people per group. There are 9 groups, so 18 will advance, plus the 6 who are seeded from previous OSL... makes up ShinHan2 OSL!

The players come from:
1) ShinHan1 OSL who are not seeded. (18)
2) Winners from the Offline ODT Qualifiers (18)

with that being said, here's the brackets!


Group A: 7/17 (Mon)
Game 1 - ShinHwa[Name] (Z) < Ever)P(TT (P) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Child (Z) < Shine[Name] (T) @ 815 III
Winners - Ever)P(TT (P) < Shine[Name] (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - ShinHwa[Name] (Z) > Child (Z) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Ever)P(TT (P) > ShinHwa[Name] @ Rush Hour 3

Group B: 7/19 (Wed)
Game 1 - YellOw[Name] (Z) < GGPlay (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - PuSan (P) > Canata (T) @ 815 III
Winners - GGPlay (Z) > PuSan (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - YellOw[Name] < Canata (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - PuSan (P) < Canata (T) @ Rush Hour 3

Group C: 7/24 (Mon)
Game 1 - BoxeR (T) < firebathero (T) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Stay[HyO](Z) < Bisu[Shield] (P) @ 815 III
Winners - firebathero (T) > Bisu[Shield] (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - BoxeR (T) > Stay[HyO](Z) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Bisu[Shield] (P) > BoxeR (T) @ Rush Hour 3

Group D: 7/26 (Wed)
Game 1 - NaL_rA (P) < Shark[gm] (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Midas (T) > NaDa (T) @ 815 III
Winners - Shark[gm] < Midas (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - NaL_rA (P) < NaDa (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Shark[gm] (Z) < NaDa (T) @ Rush Hour 3

Group E: 7/31 (Mon)
Game 1 - Sea (T) > KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Sync (T) < AnyTime (P) @ 815 III
Winners - Sea (T) < AnyTime (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) > Sync (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Sea (T) > KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) @ Rush Hour 3

Group F: 8/2 (Wed)
Game 1 - GooDFriend (T) < JiHyun[jOypOp] (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Oov (T) < N.aCe)ever (P) @ 815 III
Winners - JiHyun[jOypOp] (Z) > N.aCe)ever (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - GooDFriend (T) > Oov (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - GooDFriend (T) > N.aCe)ever (P) @ Rush Hour 3

Group G: 8/4 (Fri)
Game 1 - Rock (P) > Luxury[GsP] (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Rainbow (P) < Light[Alive] (T) @ 815 III
Winners - Rock (P) > Light[Alive] (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Luxury[GsP] (Z) > Rainbow (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Light[Alive] (T) > Luxury[GsP] (Z) @ Rush Hour 3

Group H: 8/14 (Mon)
Game 1 - GoRush (Z) > SauL[gm] (P) @ 815 III
Game 2 - July (Z) < Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) @ 815 III
Winners - GoRush (Z) > Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - SauL[gm] < July (Z) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) < July (Z) @ Rush Hour 3

Group I: 8/16 (Wed)
Game 1 - ClouD (T) > pepe[z-zone] (T) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Stork (P) < Sea.Jy (Z) @ 815 III
Winners - ClouD (T) < Sea.Jy (Z) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - pepe[z-zone] (T) < StOrk (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - ClouD (T) > StOrk (P) @ Rush Hour 3


List for the next OSL, 2006 ShinHan-2 OnGameNet Starleague

Seeds
#1. Casy (T) OGN Sparkyz
#2. ChoJJa (Z) KTF MagicNs
#3. YellOw (Z) KTF MagicNs
#4. JJu (Z) Samsung KHAN
#5. ZergMan (Z) Samsung KHAN
#6. IriS (T) CJ Entus

ODT Qualifiers
A1. Shine[Name] (T) OGN Sparkyz
A2. Ever)P(TT (P) Samsung KHAN
B1. GGPlay (Z) Hanbit Stars
B2. Canata (T) SKTelecom T1
C1. Firebathero (T) Samsung KHAN
C2. Bisu[Shield] (P) MBCGame Hero
D1. Midas (T) SKTelecom T1
D2. NaDa (T) Pantech Ex
E1. AnyTime (P) Lecaf Oz
E2. Sea (T) MBCGame Hero
F1. JiHyun (Z) Samsung KHAN
F2. GooDFriend (T) KTF MagicNs
G1. Rock (P) Pantech Ex
G2. Light[Alive] (T) MBCGame Hero
H1. GoRush (Z) SKTelecom T1
H2. July (Z) MBCGame Hero
I1. Sea.Jy (Z) CJ Entus
I2. ClouD (T) OGN Sparkyz

Race Statistics
T: 11
P: 4
Z: 9

Team Statistics
Samsung KHAN: 5
MBCGame Hero: 4
SKTelecom T1: 3
KTF MagicNs: 3
OGN Sparkyz: 3
CJ Entus: 2
Pantech Ex: 2
Hanbit Stars: 1
Lecaf Oz: 1
eNature Top: 0
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
June 28 2006 00:26 GMT
#2
Thanks :d
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iOi
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada1255 Posts
June 28 2006 00:33 GMT
#3
Thanks
caloriecount
Profile Joined June 2006
Qatar95 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-28 00:37:20
June 28 2006 00:36 GMT
#4
wow group D looks really tough.
Nice of them to put pusan in half zerg group. I think this will really bring him out of his slump. His PvZ really is his best matchup, he totally raped yellow during one proleague ace match. Go pusan!
Group G has the most consistent protosses ever for OSL and Proleague. This dual tournament will be better than the osl we just had.
OMG The Ground is attacking - Newb vs Lurkers
puLs.ReADy
Profile Joined November 2005
Bulgaria1301 Posts
June 28 2006 00:46 GMT
#5
what about group B LOL btw omg these maps LOL again zergs will be killed
KorvspaD
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Sweden468 Posts
June 28 2006 00:49 GMT
#6
I want bisu and canata to qualify
for all we could have done and all that could have been...
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
June 28 2006 00:51 GMT
#7
Group B & D are nice
polarwolf
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
924 Posts
June 28 2006 00:59 GMT
#8
ShinHwa[name] is Zerg, not Terran, isn't he?
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
June 28 2006 01:06 GMT
#9
GO BOXER !!!
Slipgoon
Profile Joined November 2005
Sweden390 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-28 01:10:32
June 28 2006 01:10 GMT
#10
yeah anytime! (and bisu)
We cant call people without wings angels. So we call them friends.
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
June 28 2006 01:16 GMT
#11
Yay ODTs! Thanks a lot Live2Win!
Do your best, God will do the rest.
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
June 28 2006 01:25 GMT
#12
pusan =(
I Love Hyori Lee =* icq: 41760400 / msn: kayen_chn at hotm
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
June 28 2006 01:32 GMT
#13
B & D are stacked. I hope YellOw[Name], PuSan, Nal_rA and NaDa advance
Terran & Potato Salad.
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
June 28 2006 01:34 GMT
#14
On June 28 2006 09:59 polarwolf wrote:
ShinHwa[name] is Zerg, not Terran, isn't he?

yea he's Zerg, Fixed.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
June 28 2006 01:43 GMT
#15
i feel bad for ra in group D...
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
June 28 2006 01:56 GMT
#16
i pity the poor P nicknamed saul for his group
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
June 28 2006 02:04 GMT
#17
A: My Pick goes to Shine.
B: Canata or Yellow jr.
C: ... til the day he dies.
D: Midas
E: Sea... maybe Hyuk.
F: Oov is Oov is Oov.
G: Let's see all 7 colors!!!
H: Only cuz I'm an eternal fan.. GoRush!
I: Stork!! I believe!!!

And I honestly believe group B is the hardest group.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
IriS[YY]
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
China330 Posts
June 28 2006 02:07 GMT
#18
gggl for firebathero and pepe ~
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
June 28 2006 02:10 GMT
#19
Predictions:

A: Shinhwa, Shine

B: GGplay, Canata <--- Group of death, any combo of the 4 could advance
(I call GGplay since first round Yellow plays ZvZ, his worst mu by far, and I think Pusan beats Canata on 815, so GGplay beats Pusan on Cult and gets into OSL...if Canata beats Pusan first round, GGplay will probably lose to Canata and play vs Yellow[name] again on Rush Hour, so I see GGplay as having the "easiest" ride into OSL based MU's and maps)

C: Boxer, Bisu (?)
As far as I'm concerned, Boxer makes it out if he plays well and then it's a toss up for the second spot, but I call Bisu based on maps and the fact that I think his PvZ is solid enough to beat Stay.

D: Ra, NaDa
This group is also very hard. Ra vs Shark is a toss up because of the map, NaDa should beat Midas. NaDa should beat SHark if they play on Cult, but will probably lose to Ra if they play on Cult. If Ra wins vs Shark, we will probably see Ra > NaDa, Midas > Shark in second round and NaDa > Midas in final match.

E: Sea, Anytime
Sea wins first match easy, Anytime should win first match since he is so good on 815. Sea vs Anytime on Cult seems like a toss up to me depending on how good a build Anytime has planned. In any case, I think Hyuk has no chance at all.

F: GF, Oov
Anything else is an upset.

G: Rock, Light

H: GoRush, July
Hwasin will be the man to watch. If he beats July first game, he will almost certainly escape into OSL. If he loses to July, we may see him again on Rush Hour. I know nothing about Saul[gm], but Gorush should decimate him first round. Hwasin has very good TvZ/TvT, I don't know how his TvP will fare if he has to play Saul on Cult.

I: Cloud, Stork
Jy is the man to watch. Pepe is pretty good, but I doubt he can match the giant killer TvT. If Jy pulls an upset first game, we will probably see him again on Rush Hour, since I think Cloud will beat him on Cult. This would likely mean Jy vs Stork again on Rush Hour, in which case I think Jy would advance. If Jy fails to win that first match, we will probably see Pepe > Jy and then we will almost certainly see Cloud and Stork walk out of this group.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
June 28 2006 02:20 GMT
#20
On June 28 2006 11:04 SuperJongMan wrote:
A: My Pick goes to Shine.
B: Canata or Yellow jr.
C: ... til the day he dies.
D: Midas
E: Sea... maybe Hyuk.
F: Oov is Oov is Oov.
G: Let's see all 7 colors!!!
H: Only cuz I'm an eternal fan.. GoRush!
I: Stork!! I believe!!!

And I honestly believe group B is the hardest group.


Group B is the group of death as far as I'm concerned :o. But you forget that 2 advance from each group. Thus, 18 players advance from this round and meet up with the 6 seeds for next OSL.

I actually think Yellow[name] has a bad chance of making OSL, despite being one of the best ZvTers AND ZvPers in the world. The problem for poor Yellow is his ZvZ is far weaker than his other MUs despite having such incredible micro, whereas I am convinced that GGplay is more well-rounded and stronger at ZvZ. Canata seems to be the best bet from this group. Either way, he faces a Zerg in round 2, and combining his powerful TvZ with Cultivation Period should make him unstoppable.

I don't know how you think Midas will beat NaDa TvT, but maybe. If NaDa loses his first match vs Midas, he is 99% doomed. If he can win it, his chances are not half bad.

E: Hyuk from that group? Only if his ZvT is at Savior's level...
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
June 28 2006 02:50 GMT
#21
ggplay, Canata, yellow[name], pusan, hella group of death, rooting for ggplay though.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
bsj9
Profile Joined December 2005
United States927 Posts
June 28 2006 02:51 GMT
#22
Is NaDa a contender for the golden mouse? if yes, neat
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
June 28 2006 02:57 GMT
#23
GOGO CANATA :D:D:D:D
HitEmUp
caloriecount
Profile Joined June 2006
Qatar95 Posts
June 28 2006 03:52 GMT
#24
pusan is the god of 815. Gosh guys. Pusan 1st yellow[name] 2nd
OMG The Ground is attacking - Newb vs Lurkers
xebra
Profile Joined November 2004
United States225 Posts
June 28 2006 04:02 GMT
#25
It's too bad Boxer is in the easiest group in the history of StarCraft. There's no way he's going to advance with opponents that bad.
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-28 04:04:52
June 28 2006 04:04 GMT
#26
On June 28 2006 11:51 bsj9 wrote:
Is NaDa a contender for the golden mouse? if yes, neat


yeah he is :D (won panasonic and IOPS)

On June 28 2006 13:02 xebra wrote:
It's too bad Boxer is in the easiest group in the history of StarCraft. There's no way he's going to advance with opponents that bad.

rofl T_T
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Eagleheart
Profile Joined January 2006
Sweden776 Posts
June 28 2006 04:22 GMT
#27
I only wish NaDa fucking snaps out of his slump!
Th_Terran
Profile Joined June 2006
122 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-28 04:32:47
June 28 2006 04:29 GMT
#28
TY

Boxer and NaDa(Maybe Yellow[NaMe])GOGO KEEP FIGHTING!!!!!!
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
June 28 2006 04:38 GMT
#29
Did IPX ever qualify for a OSL ? T_T
Terran & Potato Salad.
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
June 28 2006 04:46 GMT
#30
Nada, Anytime, both of you must rise from the ashes.

Only to lose to rA in OSL
Trucy Wright is hot
HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
June 28 2006 05:04 GMT
#31
Uhh, this is a totally new format. Starleague dropouts never went to directly compete with the winners of the untelevised qualifiers.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 28 2006 05:24 GMT
#32
they eliminated challenge league, those who would have qualified for challenge now qualify for dual along with all the osl players who didnt get seeded.
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Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
June 28 2006 05:51 GMT
#33
cool, odds-on chance that ra will face nada =]
Memory lane in nice
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-28 07:21:23
June 28 2006 07:02 GMT
#34
Thx =]

Predictions

Group A:
Game 1 - ShinHwa[Name] (Z) vs Ever)P(TT (P) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Child (Z) vs Shine[Name] (T) @ 815 III
Winners - Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Rush Hour 3

I think shinhwa is favoured to win game 1 but perhaps not by much (TT is very good PvZ I think? Or was that Eros~Rage - TT used to be Eros~TT right?). I think shine will win game 2 and if shinhwa wins game 1, he'll qualify, if not.. I dunno, can go either way on rush hour :O But if child beats shinhwa I think shine will definitely go through (I wasn't impressed by child last OGN).

Group B:
Game 1 - YellOw[Name] (Z) vs GGPlay (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - PuSan (P) vs Canata (T) @ 815 III
Winners - Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Rush Hour 3

Man, so canata FINALLY makes it and he gets PuSan on 815? And if he loses he'll most likely get terran-slayer (actually more like terran-chew-and-spit-right-outer) yellow[name].. Uh yeaaaaaah, this is going to be hard as hell for Canata.

Going with ggplay > yellow[name] (I'm not sure how good ggplay is at ZvZ, but I do know yellow[name] isn't good at it), pusan > canata and then yellow[name] > canata..

The game after that depends entirely on wether pusan is back in shape or not, if he isn't, I think yellow[name] will go through, if he is in shape and beats ggplay.. Damn, I want yellow[name] AND pusan.. But somehow I think only one will get through o_o

I think yellow[name] could make something work on Cultivation and beat canata..

Group C:
Game 1 - BoxeR (T) vs firebathero (T) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Stay[HyO](Z) vs Bisu[Shield] (P) @ 815 III
Winners - Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Rush Hour 3

Hrm, the guy who beat xellos to get there vs boxer.. I'll go with boxer because it's 815.
Bisu.
Bisu is g o d l y and it's a P>T map.. I'm going with Bisu in the next starleague, followed by boxer.


Group D:
Game 1 - NaL_rA (P) vs Shark[gm] (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Midas (T) vs NaDa (T) @ 815 III
Winners - Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Rush Hour 3

Nal_rA and ? Shark, midas, nada.. Completely open group but nal_ra should be in killer shape with the starleague final (I guess it kinda depends on his results in it and when this is played). So yeah, completely 100% open group, I just want nal_ra to advance.

Group E:
Game 1 - Sea[Shield] (T) vs KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Sync (T) vs AnyTime (P) @ 815 III
Winners - Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Rush Hour 3

Sea, Anytime. Sync does have a shot as his TvT is quite good tho, and he'll get to play vs hyuk on a favourable map most likely.

Group F:
Game 1 - GooDFriend (T) vs JiHyun[jOypOp] (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Oov (T) vs N.aCe)ever (P) @ 815 III
Winners - Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Rush Hour 3

Goodfriend and well, ever could actually make it... Oov has a horrible trackrecord on this map but Ever is like.. completely untested? If he wins he COULD qualify.. Jihyun's chances are not pretty if ever wins the first game but he could definitely get in if ever loses.

So uhm, I have no idea-_-

Group G:
Game 1 - Rock (P) vs Luxury[GsP] (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Rainbow (P) vs Light[Alive] (T) @ 815 III
Winners - Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Rush Hour 3

First game seems like a tossup.. If rock is performing well, anything can happen - he can beat ANYONE. On the other hand, Luxury is great ZvP. Dunno who to go with really. I think rainbow will beat light[alive] because it's 815 and all..

So, PvP on pioneer period.. Neither are famous for their good PvP I think? Although I think Rock took anytime to a 5th game before anytime qualified for SO1 (the challenge league finals) so hm.
Let's say Rock goes through then.

Anyone should be able to win the final imo, although luxury will have to fight through map imbalance to reach it (pioneer --).

Group H:
Game 1 - GoRush (Z) vs SauL[gm] (P) @ 815 III
Game 2 - July (Z) vs Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) @ 815 III
Winners - Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Rush Hour 3

Uhm, GoRush has been slumping so hard lately.. But tester is still relatively fresh and I don't really have any idea how good he is. July vs Hwasin.. I'll go with Hwasin based on the map.

If tester wins the first game, and hwasin does too, which he could but I think gorush is favoured, he might even be favoured to qualify? If he loses and hwasin loses hwasin wins, he's out. I don't think there's a single toss I'd give good odds to beat Julyzerg on sin pioneer period -_-;;

If he loses and hwasin does too, he's got a slight chance to win on Rush Hour.

Group I:
Game 1 - ClouD (T) vs pepe[z-zone] (T) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Stork (P) vs Sea.Jy (Z) @ 815 III
Winners - Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Rush Hour 3

ClouD and stork. I'm feeling almost certain, although I suppose Jy could win vs cloud in the last game if he gets past map imba.

Stork's cold streak should end here! (plz)
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
June 28 2006 07:02 GMT
#35
On June 28 2006 13:38 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Did IPX ever qualify for a OSL ? T_T
no
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NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
June 28 2006 07:16 GMT
#36
NaDa I will be cheering for you until the day you retire. . . you can do it. Come out of nowhere and claim your rightful golden mouse.
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
June 28 2006 07:37 GMT
#37
Watch Boxer get eliminated by Firebathero ;D
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 28 2006 08:59 GMT
#38
bah lots of groups have more than 2 people id like to see advance.
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
June 28 2006 14:06 GMT
#39
Here's who I WANT to see not necessarily who I think advances:

Child, TT

Yellow[Name], Pusan ( Canata too )

Boxer, Bisu

rA, NaDa

AnyTime, Sync (Sea[Shield] would also be cool, and probably more likely)

Oov, n.aCe)Ever (NO I dont want GF this OSL )

Luxury, Light (tired of seing Rock&Rainbow losing & fucking up my bets those few times I bet on them)

GoRush, July (Tester would be cool too)

Stork, Jy



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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 28 2006 16:30 GMT
#40
Group A: Shinhwa and Child; i dont think shine has the spark for it

Group B: this is interesting, i suspect
Game 1 - YellOw[Name] (Z) < GGPlay (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - PuSan (P) > Canata (T) @ 815 III
Game 3 - GGPLay > Pusan @ Sin Pioneer Period
Game 4 - Yellow[Name] < Canata @ Sin Pioneer Period
Game 5 - Pusan > Canata @ Rush Hour
So Pusan and GGplay advance

Group C: BoxeR and Stay.. although id like bisu to advance

Group D: Nal_rA and Shark; Shark is about to enter the primetime!!

Group E: Sea and Anytime; both really good players, although id like to see Anytime get elim

Group F: Gf and Oov... what a pathetic group

Group G: Luxury and Rainbow; luxury is the brother of yellow[name] ffs =p

Group H: July and Gorush; anything else is just wrong

Group I: Stork and Sea.Jy; Its time for Sea.Jy to break out onto the scene.. and Stork to make top 4
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-29 11:33:17
June 29 2006 10:55 GMT
#41
MU stats for the OGN-prelim

ZvP: 20-12

TvZ: 27-14

PvT: 19-12

Last time maps were RoV, Luna and Rush Hour 2, and
MU results after 20 groups and both playoffs & Dual groups: 28-7 ZvP 30-28(OMG BALANCE!!) TvZ 21-11 PvT


So compared to this prelim ZvP has leaned more towards balanced while the TvZ MU has gone notable much in Terrans favour. This can be explained by the maps for this prelim which were Sin Pioneering Period, 815 III, and Rush Hour 3.

Rush Hour 3 is basically same as Rush Hour 2, and produced most likely same results, but the two other maps are very hard ZvT(much harder than Luna&RoV), and easier PvZ than Luna and RoV. Wait WTF ? That can't be. Luna and RoV are statistically better balanced maps, however these statistics show otherwise. I'd explain it with many of the good Zergs being among the extra 8 that qualified for last OSL(Shinhwa, JJu, Yellow[Name] etc). However I dont think that perfectly justifies the fact that Protoss have performed so much better against Zerg in this prelim. Im quite positive the maps are better PvZ, especially 815.

PvT is basically unchanged, slightly better for Terran. Luna and RoV are about equally as hard TvP as 815 and Pioneering Period though. Especially on the latter mentioned, T>P after early game(in which P>T) if positions are close due to fast push. 815 is slightly harder TvP than Luna&RoV.
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lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
586 Posts
June 29 2006 14:15 GMT
#42
so when it's gonna start??
So... BW is back
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
June 29 2006 15:50 GMT
#43
lool oov's group is a joke
SP)diQ
Profile Joined May 2005
1107 Posts
June 29 2006 21:15 GMT
#44
Hahahaha... Did Reach fail even in offline qualifier ???
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-06-29 22:06:49
June 29 2006 22:05 GMT
#45
Sin Pioneering Period is really bad for PvZ...just really bad. 815 can be okay, depending on who the toss is and who the zerg is.Edit: what I mean by that is that certain styles PvZ are very effective on 815 and those toss players do well...other styles are not so effective and players who can't adapt to more effective styles won't do well.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 29 2006 22:28 GMT
#46
On June 29 2006 19:55 Guybrush wrote:
MU stats for the OGN-prelim

ZvP: 20-12

TvZ: 27-14

PvT: 19-12

Last time maps were RoV, Luna and Rush Hour 2, and
MU results after 20 groups and both playoffs & Dual groups: 28-7 ZvP 30-28(OMG BALANCE!!) TvZ 21-11 PvT


So compared to this prelim ZvP has leaned more towards balanced while the TvZ MU has gone notable much in Terrans favour. This can be explained by the maps for this prelim which were Sin Pioneering Period, 815 III, and Rush Hour 3.

Rush Hour 3 is basically same as Rush Hour 2, and produced most likely same results, but the two other maps are very hard ZvT(much harder than Luna&RoV), and easier PvZ than Luna and RoV. Wait WTF ? That can't be. Luna and RoV are statistically better balanced maps, however these statistics show otherwise. I'd explain it with many of the good Zergs being among the extra 8 that qualified for last OSL(Shinhwa, JJu, Yellow[Name] etc). However I dont think that perfectly justifies the fact that Protoss have performed so much better against Zerg in this prelim. Im quite positive the maps are better PvZ, especially 815.

PvT is basically unchanged, slightly better for Terran. Luna and RoV are about equally as hard TvP as 815 and Pioneering Period though. Especially on the latter mentioned, T>P after early game(in which P>T) if positions are close due to fast push. 815 is slightly harder TvP than Luna&RoV.

Ehm, Pioneering and 815 are much harder - overall - than luna rov for terrans in PvT;;
Pioneering is much harder PvZ than either map last time around. 815 and Rush Hour 3 are both pretty balanced, especially RH3.

I dunno, guess it just goes to show how little the stats really mean - just depends on who is having a good day and who is not?
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
June 30 2006 01:12 GMT
#47
They mean quite a bit really, but you need to consider a fairly large sample. There are 3 maps, 32 games ZvP, 41 games TvZ and 31 games PvT. All of these samples are small enough that if we compared them to the statistical mean values taken over all professional games played (all stats ZvP, all stats TvZ, all stats PvT), then we need to use Student's T-distribution, which gives us a much thicker tailed curve than a normal distribution.

If we wish to consider the balance of each map, then we're talking about an average of 11 games per map in ZvP and, 10 per map in PvT, and about 14 games per map in TvZ. The lower the sample, the "broader" our statistical distribution, so we begin to lose the accuracy of statistics as a predictor.



And this kind of naive understanding of the statistics still doesn't account for factors such as the unusually high percentage of Zergs who made it past the prelims before (so the average skill of the Zergs in the prelim rounds this time is somewhat weaker than it was before), or the random factors of how players are paired up, or the random factors of how a player is doing on a given day (which we can essentially consider as white noise).
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
July 01 2006 01:01 GMT
#48
Time for the OGN curse to wear off. Anytime and Nada will come back and own shit up
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
July 01 2006 01:52 GMT
#49
On June 30 2006 10:12 Mortality wrote:
They mean quite a bit really, but you need to consider a fairly large sample. There are 3 maps, 32 games ZvP, 41 games TvZ and 31 games PvT. All of these samples are small enough that if we compared them to the statistical mean values taken over all professional games played (all stats ZvP, all stats TvZ, all stats PvT), then we need to use Student's T-distribution, which gives us a much thicker tailed curve than a normal distribution.

If we wish to consider the balance of each map, then we're talking about an average of 11 games per map in ZvP and, 10 per map in PvT, and about 14 games per map in TvZ. The lower the sample, the "broader" our statistical distribution, so we begin to lose the accuracy of statistics as a predictor.



And this kind of naive understanding of the statistics still doesn't account for factors such as the unusually high percentage of Zergs who made it past the prelims before (so the average skill of the Zergs in the prelim rounds this time is somewhat weaker than it was before), or the random factors of how players are paired up, or the random factors of how a player is doing on a given day (which we can essentially consider as white noise).

i cant tell if you're arguing for or against stats. but no, theres far too many things beyond map balance affecting the outcomes of the games for stats to be given much attention until many games are played on it.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
July 01 2006 05:26 GMT
#50
On July 01 2006 10:52 HungZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2006 10:12 Mortality wrote:
They mean quite a bit really, but you need to consider a fairly large sample. There are 3 maps, 32 games ZvP, 41 games TvZ and 31 games PvT. All of these samples are small enough that if we compared them to the statistical mean values taken over all professional games played (all stats ZvP, all stats TvZ, all stats PvT), then we need to use Student's T-distribution, which gives us a much thicker tailed curve than a normal distribution.

If we wish to consider the balance of each map, then we're talking about an average of 11 games per map in ZvP and, 10 per map in PvT, and about 14 games per map in TvZ. The lower the sample, the "broader" our statistical distribution, so we begin to lose the accuracy of statistics as a predictor.



And this kind of naive understanding of the statistics still doesn't account for factors such as the unusually high percentage of Zergs who made it past the prelims before (so the average skill of the Zergs in the prelim rounds this time is somewhat weaker than it was before), or the random factors of how players are paired up, or the random factors of how a player is doing on a given day (which we can essentially consider as white noise).

i cant tell if you're arguing for or against stats. but no, theres far too many things beyond map balance affecting the outcomes of the games for stats to be given much attention until many games are played on it.


I'm entirely for statistics, but statistics must be used properly. The stats here do correlate with map balance, but you have to be careful in how you look at them. Firstly, it must be recognized that the "true" win average in say, ZvP is not necessarily even close to 20-12. The more games that are played, the greater the certainty that we have. With 32 games played, it is pretty safe to say that these maps favor Zerg over Protoss, however, since only 32 games have been played, the maps could favor Zerg strongly, or only slightly -- we don't know. Also, we have to watch out for confounding variables (such as in line with what I was saying earlier, an unusually large group of Zergs made it into OSL and lasted fairly long, so the average skill of the Zergs in lower levels of qualifying rounds has decreased since last season).

So in short, yes the stats here correspond to the balance of the maps, but no, we cannot make statements any more aggressive than that until more games have been played.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 01 2006 07:43 GMT
#51
omg go nadaaaaaaaa
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Profile Joined April 2006
United States465 Posts
July 02 2006 21:43 GMT
#52
Dates on any of these matches??
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United States6657 Posts
July 10 2006 18:35 GMT
#53
Dates updated.

Group A starts next monday.
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zonbi
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Hungary514 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-10 21:58:03
July 10 2006 21:56 GMT
#54
I think there's a mistake in the dates

Group D: 7/36 (Wed)


wtf?
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zonbi
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Hungary514 Posts
July 10 2006 22:10 GMT
#55
End here's my bracket, schedule and information page: http://www.replays.hu/nOia/odt.xhtml
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Profile Joined November 2005
Sweden358 Posts
July 10 2006 22:51 GMT
#56
NaDa and July Fighting!!

now That would be a final! =)
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Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 16 2006 04:03 GMT
#57
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hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-16 04:45:45
July 16 2006 04:19 GMT
#58
Well, seeing how I forgot about this thread until I saw it just now, we could close my thread and keep this one going. Live2Win just needs to know that iStation is sponsoring this ODT.
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zonbi
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Hungary514 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-16 14:21:59
July 16 2006 14:19 GMT
#59
When does it start? 19:00 KOR time?

OK, I got it, 6:30 PM KOR time.
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Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
July 16 2006 15:02 GMT
#60
11:30cet
18:30kor
2:30tl.net
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
July 16 2006 18:13 GMT
#61
Shinhwa vs TT being played right now on 815 III.

TT's winning.
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yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-16 20:17:13
July 16 2006 18:17 GMT
#62
Group A Results:
+ Show Spoiler +

Game One: ShinHwa[Name] (Z) < Ever)P(TT (P)
Map: 815 III
Ever played very defensively this game, taking a secret early expo and defending all his exps with plenty of PSI STORM against the hydra masses. eventually he teched to carr/sairs and swatted a few expos to shut down shinhwa before making a final carr/sair/archon/temp push and completely obliterating the hydra/dev army. GG

Game Two: Child (Z) < Shine[Name] (T)
Map: 815 III
Child fast expands and goes for a lurker first build while Shine uses 1 rax acad and then takes his nat. Child attempts to keep the front at Shine's nat with lurkerling, but Shine pushes him back with a constant stream of tanks and an infinite supply of comsat. Child can neither slow the advance nor damage it whatsoever, so he is forced to GG.

Winners Game: Ever)P(TT (P) < Shine[Name] (T)
Map: Cultivation Period
Ever lays down two proxy gates in the middle of the map, rallying zeals into Shine's main, but Shine holds off the rush with marine/vult/scv micro. Goons begin to flood into his main, but he manages to get a tank out and take on 3 goons with a single tank and scvs. once Shine got some breathing room, he played a pretty by the book game, taking his nat and slowly pushing to Ever's main with tanks and vults. Ever's rush/reaver harass just couldn't knock him off his solid footing. GG

Shine[Name] (T) moves on to the OSL.

Losers Game: ShinHwa[Name] (Z) > Child (Z)
Map: Cultivation Period
Both players 9 pool to begin the match, but a little bit of dumb luck/intuition for Child gives him a slight economic advantage with an early ling sneak to pick off a drone or two and halt mining for a good 10 seconds. However, later in the match, ShinHwa tips the scales in his favor by defending against a muta/ling attack with his own mutas while taking down Child's nat with a great ling sneak. With the huge advantage of a functional nat, it is only a matter of time before Child is forced to GG.

Child (Z) is eliminated from the ODT.

Final Game: ShinHwa[Name] (Z) < Ever)P(TT (P)
Map: Rush Hour III
Ever decides to play FE while ShinHwa[Name] 9 pools. The lings do not arrive in time to stop the cannons from warping in, so ShinHwa decides to take his nat. However, Ever has an ace up his sleeve, and shortly after warping in his nat cannons, warps in 3 cannons behind ShinHwa's natural mins. ShinHwa's lings narrowly miss the cannons on the way to Ever's nat, and as a result, ShinHwa's fresh expansion is wiped out while Ever's is just going online. While you, me, the commentators, and both players know the game is over, ShinHwa keeps playing for pride and Ever knows not the meaning of haste. Ever attempts to expand twice, securing the 9 oclock expo and even giving ShinHwa a chance to ram his entire hydra/muta/lurk/ling force into the easily defended natural before he makes his final push. GG

ShinHwa[Name] (Z) is out of the ODT, and Ever)P(TT (P) moves on to the OSL.
Slipgoon
Profile Joined November 2005
Sweden390 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-16 20:22:09
July 16 2006 18:19 GMT
#63
the first game felt amatuer-ish in a nice way =)
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Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
July 16 2006 18:19 GMT
#64
anyone with a working chan on afreeca?
EsbenPM
Profile Joined April 2006
Denmark364 Posts
July 16 2006 18:29 GMT
#65
cube4re is working for me, don't know if it's full
Hi
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
July 16 2006 18:49 GMT
#66
Thanks, working.
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 16 2006 19:11 GMT
#67
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 16 2006 19:13 GMT
#68
TT fighting~
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Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
July 16 2006 19:13 GMT
#69
+ Show Spoiler +
Several stupid attacks with mass goons vs. tanks protected by many vultures and neutral buildings..what a sacrifice
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-16 20:15:56
July 16 2006 20:11 GMT
#70
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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
July 16 2006 20:12 GMT
#71
Wow why the FUCK is Sin Pioneer being used in this? Ugh im just disgusted.

Also lol @ TT winning vs Z then losing to T 2x.
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SP)diQ
Profile Joined May 2005
1107 Posts
July 16 2006 20:21 GMT
#72
On July 17 2006 05:12 red.venom wrote:
Wow why the FUCK is Sin Pioneer being used in this? Ugh im just disgusted.

Also lol @ TT winning vs Z then losing to T 2x.

lol ?It`s inverse, TT won vs Z 2x and lost once vs T. And I agree it`s retarded to use previous 0SL maps in ODT.
zonbi
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Hungary514 Posts
July 16 2006 20:30 GMT
#73
Updated brackets and stuff: http://www.replays.hu/nOia/korea.htm
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hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
July 16 2006 23:32 GMT
#74
I would rather have them use New Cultivation Period then Peaks of Baekdu.
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Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
July 17 2006 00:46 GMT
#75
where is reach?
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 17 2006 08:15 GMT
#76
On July 17 2006 09:46 Kacas wrote:
where is reach?


at home, fixing his hair =O
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
July 17 2006 18:13 GMT
#77
Should be some games today yes?
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
July 18 2006 02:47 GMT
#78
On July 16 2006 13:03 Jathin wrote:
Tester[gm]/SauL[gm] will advance.


Tester got an article all about him:
http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ISS&idx=12909
Have no idea what it says, but it does mention him and Starleague!
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Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 18 2006 04:30 GMT
#79
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
July 18 2006 20:35 GMT
#80
UPDATE:
Group B: 7/19 (Wed)
Game 1 - YellOw[Name] (Z) < GGPlay (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - PuSan (P) > Canata (T) @ 815 III
Winners - GGPlay (Z) > PuSan (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - YellOw[Name] < Canata (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - PuSan (P) < Canata (T) @ Rush Hour 3

BTW, I've gotten Group A and Group B all right on liquibet so far. oO;;
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 18 2006 20:39 GMT
#81
TT makes it
and pusan doesnt

what a crime

what a crime...
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
July 19 2006 00:17 GMT
#82
WHO CALLED IT?

GGPLAY > YELLOW
PUSAN > CANATA
GGPLAY > PUSAN
CANATA > YELLOW
CANATA > PUSAN


BINGO
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-19 01:22:17
July 19 2006 01:16 GMT
#83
Pusan lost
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gulii
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden2791 Posts
July 19 2006 02:29 GMT
#84
Rock ftw!
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
July 19 2006 02:33 GMT
#85
On July 19 2006 11:29 gulii wrote:
Rock ftw!


Nonono, Rainbow+Light, no Rock. He can only beat July in the group stages -_-.
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bsj9
Profile Joined December 2005
United States927 Posts
July 19 2006 02:38 GMT
#86
Rock and Rainbow are OSL regulars, I don't think they'll have problems getting in
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Profile Joined February 2006
United States418 Posts
July 19 2006 03:48 GMT
#87
On July 19 2006 09:17 Mortality wrote:
WHO CALLED IT?

GGPLAY > YELLOW
PUSAN > CANATA
GGPLAY > PUSAN
CANATA > YELLOW
CANATA > PUSAN


BINGO


l2w did but its ok.
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
July 19 2006 05:11 GMT
#88
Damn, Pusan lost another important game on RushHour.

What's with him and that map anyway? For that matter, what are the TvP stats on it? I can't seem to remember a game where a toss won without fast/proxy dt and crap. Weird.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-19 05:21:52
July 19 2006 05:16 GMT
#89
On July 19 2006 14:11 ManaBlue wrote:
For that matter, what are the TvP stats on it?


Something like 15-6.

(edited, it was reversed :/)
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YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
July 19 2006 14:39 GMT
#90
i want nal_ra to win his group :O
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 19 2006 14:51 GMT
#91
On July 19 2006 14:16 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2006 14:11 ManaBlue wrote:
For that matter, what are the TvP stats on it?


Something like 15-6.

(edited, it was reversed :/)

i remember it being really bad... like midas tvp stats
something liek 12-2 at one point....
but that was like a month ago...

where do you get the maps stats from pop?
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
July 19 2006 15:18 GMT
#92
From vods. I think it was 13-5 not so long ago, and there were like 2 T>P and 1 P>T since then. -_-

Huh, just checked from a recent thread, the record was actually 13-2. :x

So it must be 15-3 or something very close. Geez.
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Profile Joined January 2006
Austria158 Posts
July 19 2006 15:53 GMT
#93
On July 19 2006 23:39 YunhOLee wrote:
i want nal_ra to win his group :O


i want nal_ra win the whole tournament
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-01 13:08:32
July 26 2006 06:59 GMT
#94
This thread needs a bump and an update. Current seeds for the next OSL are Casy, Chojja, Yellow, Jju, Iris, and Zergman. Players who have already made it are Ever)P(TT, Shine[name], GGPlay, Canata, firebathero, Bisu[Shield], Midas, and Nada.

There are currently 7 Ts, 5 Zs, and 2 Ps qualified for the next OSL. Theoretical maximums for each race in the next OSL, at this date, are as follows: 15 Terrans, 11 Zergs, and 8 Ps.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
July 26 2006 07:15 GMT
#95
On July 19 2006 09:17 Mortality wrote:
WHO CALLED IT?

GGPLAY > YELLOW
PUSAN > CANATA
GGPLAY > PUSAN
CANATA > YELLOW
CANATA > PUSAN


BINGO


Cool stuff, you're slowly mutating to our new Tfeign
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-22 20:33:49
July 26 2006 08:05 GMT
#96
Complete MU stats for Dual-league


ZvP 7-4

TvZ 9-5

PvT 7-7

The power of 815&Pioneering Period TvZ!
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-07-26 18:32:21
July 26 2006 18:32 GMT
#97
On July 26 2006 16:15 Orome wrote:

Cool stuff, you're slowly mutating to our new Tfeign


Play nice. That is a dead Era. Ok?
Shinhan OSL put the stake through his heart.

And Ps.. need some heroes to step up. The P count in recent OSL's has been a downer.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
July 26 2006 21:28 GMT
#98
Just watched group D games and I must say NaDa seems to have grown a pair of fucking watermelons ! He just totally outplayed and "outballed" Nal_ra on cultivation and his 2 fact hanbang on RH was sexy too
He still have one of the best TvZ control of the pro scene along with Boxer and Casy imho

Midas seems to have improved quite a lot in TvT but his TvZ control is pathetic from what I saw ( maybe due to pressure, Midas is that kind of super talented player who wet his pants during big events, not that I care too much since I don't like him at all -_- )
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
July 26 2006 22:29 GMT
#99
I hate him as well, but his control is anything but pathetic. You can't win TvZ's consistently with bad control and he took Savior to 5 games. It's not up there with Boxer, Nada and Casy, but still very good.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
July 27 2006 00:40 GMT
#100
-.-
They need to get rid of the two protoss graveyards - Cultivation vs Z and Rush vs T (in my experience rush is good and balanced but I'm not playing vs professional terrans and if the stats are 15-3 for terran, something is wrong).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
bsj9
Profile Joined December 2005
United States927 Posts
July 27 2006 01:08 GMT
#101
Agree, nada's best record is his TvZ o.O, I thought it was TvP

That's only for OSL btw
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
July 27 2006 02:12 GMT
#102
On July 27 2006 09:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:
-.-
They need to get rid of the two protoss graveyards - Cultivation vs Z and Rush vs T (in my experience rush is good and balanced but I'm not playing vs professional terrans and if the stats are 15-3 for terran, something is wrong).


Even if Cultivation Period sucks PvZ, I still love watching that map that I can actually be ok with P's dying on that map....
Anyways, despite what P's qualify using the old maps, the new OSL maps will make it crazy and interesting for those who made it up.
I can only imagine what the new Akanoid or whatever map will be like... OMG ~_~ Orgasm~
Hell, Peaks is at least modified to be far more balanced now, thank god.
Arcadia is gonna be gay, but who doesn't have at least one map they dislike every season?
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
July 27 2006 05:52 GMT
#103
On July 26 2006 15:59 DJEtterStyle wrote:
This thread needs a bump and an update. Current seeds for the next OSL are Casy, Chojja, Yellow, Jju, Iris, and Zergman. Players who have already made it are Ever)P(TT, Shine[name], GGPlay, Canata, firebathero, Bisu[Shield], Midas, and Nada.

There are currently 6 Ts, 6 Zs, and 2 Ps qualified for the next OSL. Theoretical maximums for each race in the next OSL, at this date, are as follows: 14 Terrans, 12 Zergs, and 8 Ps.


Nice post. The "theoretical" maxes seem comforting but...

On July 27 2006 09:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:
-.-
They need to get rid of the two protoss graveyards - Cultivation vs Z and Rush vs T (in my experience rush is good and balanced but I'm not playing vs professional terrans and if the stats are 15-3 for terran, something is wrong).


That's it...come to the darkside my friend.

But remember, complaining about maps is always "whining" and "reality" and "statistics" are irrelavent. You're just a whiner. Hahaha
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TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
July 27 2006 07:08 GMT
#104
wow thats awesome! thanks^^
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
August 01 2006 04:11 GMT
#105
Updated:
Group E: 7/31 (Mon)
Game 1 - Sea (T) > KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Sync (T) < AnyTime (P) @ 815 III
Winners - Sea (T) < AnyTime (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) > Sync (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Sea (T) > KT.MGW)Hyuk (Z) @ Rush Hour 3

No more T's plz T_T
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-01 04:14:00
August 01 2006 04:13 GMT
#106
On August 01 2006 13:11 Live2Win wrote:
No more T's plz T_T


Haha, and just look at Group F.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Cadical *
Profile Joined September 2005
United States469 Posts
August 01 2006 05:05 GMT
#107
nice to see Anytime back
IMBA
cSf.Vicek
Profile Joined January 2004
Czech Republic271 Posts
August 01 2006 05:32 GMT
#108
D - thoughest ODT group ever... i'm so happy hada made it!
2dd
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium421 Posts
August 01 2006 06:30 GMT
#109
very nice!
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 01 2006 10:17 GMT
#110
On July 26 2006 16:15 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2006 09:17 Mortality wrote:
WHO CALLED IT?

GGPLAY > YELLOW
PUSAN > CANATA
GGPLAY > PUSAN
CANATA > YELLOW
CANATA > PUSAN


BINGO


Cool stuff, you're slowly mutating to our new Tfeign


I hope I don't. I've noticed this myself actually though. When I see what I type I think to myself "this is just one or two steps removed from tfeign."

Look at my posts about Savior. I'm going crazy about the guy because he is just so unbelievable (his game sense is O.O...only player too impress me so much before was NaDa when he stormed onto the scene in 2002...).

I don't know though. I still think that as much as I emote about the players I like, I'm not so dense as to let my feelings blind me. I actually HAVE voted against both players I consider my idols (NaDa and Savior, technically my third idol for Protoss would be IntoTheRain, but he doesn't play so -_-). And I still base my decisions not only on impressions from observing their game play but on analysis of game history (tfeign would pretend to do this, but in reality he would throw out games that he didn't feel like counting).




Sometimes I do trust my gut though. Something told me to vote against N.ace)ever over Oov. If someone told me I should do that 1 month ago I would have laughed at them, but I just have this sense that the combination of Oov being bored with the game and the fact that he's been on top for so long (hence everyone studies his style) is the reason for his lack of success recently. We'll see soon enough if that hunch is right.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 01 2006 10:19 GMT
#111
On July 27 2006 10:08 bsj9 wrote:
Agree, nada's best record is his TvZ o.O, I thought it was TvP

That's only for OSL btw


Overall, his TvZ is his worst record including Proleague and MBC games. Interestingly enough, I'm pretty sure (but not 100% sure) that NaDa's lifetime TvZ record is higher than Boxer's overall despite the fact that Boxer's OGN TvZ record is holy fucking shit good.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-01 10:25:44
August 01 2006 10:25 GMT
#112
On July 27 2006 14:52 ManaBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2006 15:59 DJEtterStyle wrote:
This thread needs a bump and an update. Current seeds for the next OSL are Casy, Chojja, Yellow, Jju, Iris, and Zergman. Players who have already made it are Ever)P(TT, Shine[name], GGPlay, Canata, firebathero, Bisu[Shield], Midas, and Nada.

There are currently 6 Ts, 6 Zs, and 2 Ps qualified for the next OSL. Theoretical maximums for each race in the next OSL, at this date, are as follows: 14 Terrans, 12 Zergs, and 8 Ps.


Nice post. The "theoretical" maxes seem comforting but...

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2006 09:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:
-.-
They need to get rid of the two protoss graveyards - Cultivation vs Z and Rush vs T (in my experience rush is good and balanced but I'm not playing vs professional terrans and if the stats are 15-3 for terran, something is wrong).


That's it...come to the darkside my friend.

But remember, complaining about maps is always "whining" and "reality" and "statistics" are irrelavent. You're just a whiner. Hahaha

Lol, after losing like 0-5, 0-5 (maybe it was just 0-3 0-3 but it felt worse ;D) to two different zergs on cultivation period I decided I hate that map.

I still really like rush hour pvt and pvz tho
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
August 01 2006 13:08 GMT
#113
I just realized that I counted Shine[name] as a Zerg in my initial post, so my count is off. It's actually 8-5-3, as Live2Win has edited his initial post to reflect. Word up.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
August 01 2006 13:18 GMT
#114
GOGO ANYTIME
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
August 01 2006 21:42 GMT
#115
Update:
Group F: 8/2 (Wed)
Game 1 - GooDFriend (T) < JiHyun[jOypOp] (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Oov (T) < N.aCe)ever (P) @ 815 III
Winners - JiHyun[jOypOp] (Z) > N.aCe)ever (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - GooDFriend (T) > Oov (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - GooDFriend (T) > N.aCe)ever (P) @ Rush Hour 3

wow that makes 5 KHAN's..... (and 9 T's)
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
August 02 2006 00:11 GMT
#116
As I predicted, Oov is out. Why I would vote against the best Terran in the world is almost beyond me, but Oov's recent performances just don't impress me so much and what was said about Oov being "bored" provides the explanation that justifies that. :o

I thought GF would beat JiHyun though. I guess TvZ on 815 isn't fundamental enough for an unoriginal player like GF? I'll have to read the live reports. -_-
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
August 02 2006 00:13 GMT
#117
I really hope he doesn't change race............I liked him as a Terran
Huge iloveOov fan
L!MP
Profile Joined March 2003
Australia2067 Posts
August 02 2006 00:39 GMT
#118
anytime looked really good in his games. in fact, he owned. with the plethora of T's already in this OSL maybe we can see another strong performance from him this time.
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
August 03 2006 23:56 GMT
#119
Updated:

Group G: 8/4 (Fri)
Game 1 - Rock (P) > Luxury[GsP] (Z) @ 815 III
Game 2 - Rainbow (P) < Light[Alive] (T) @ 815 III
Winners - Rock (P) > Light[Alive] (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - Luxury[GsP] (Z) > Rainbow (P) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Light[Alive] (T) > Luxury[GsP] (Z) @ Rush Hour 3

STOP THE T'S!!!!!
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
August 03 2006 23:58 GMT
#120
On August 02 2006 09:11 Mortality wrote:
As I predicted, Oov is out. Why I would vote against the best Terran in the world is almost beyond me, but Oov's recent performances just don't impress me so much and what was said about Oov being "bored" provides the explanation that justifies that. :o

I thought GF would beat JiHyun though. I guess TvZ on 815 isn't fundamental enough for an unoriginal player like GF? I'll have to read the live reports. -_-


Xellos seems very bored too.
If you have been seeing his games recently.... he doesn't even try. he cheeses or dies.
Or he just plays totally lack luster. Only vs Chojja did he really play a worthwhile game and that was ages ago.

Tsk tsk.... he needs a spark himself.
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Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
August 04 2006 00:52 GMT
#121
On August 02 2006 09:13 StarcraftNewb wrote:
I really hope he doesn't change race............I liked him as a Terran

Yeah, his playing style sort of defines terran. Build, build and then build some more and then walk over your opponent and crush him underneath you.
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-13 19:44:49
August 13 2006 19:44 GMT
#122
Updated:

Group H: 8/14 (Mon)
Game 1 - GoRush (Z) > SauL[gm] (P) @ 815 III
Game 2 - July (Z) < Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) @ 815 III
Winners - GoRush (Z) > Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Losers - SauL[gm] < July (Z) @ Sin Pioneer Period
Final - Hwasin[S.SIR] (T) < July (Z) @ Rush Hour 3
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
AyOnY
Profile Joined July 2006
Pitcairn1026 Posts
August 13 2006 19:46 GMT
#123
GoRush v NaDa final would be sexy ^^
GoRush fan~
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
August 13 2006 20:44 GMT
#124
Thanks!
Too many terrans, few tosses.
Sad.
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
August 13 2006 22:06 GMT
#125
i feel kind of bad for saul[gm] (protoss) he basically had 0% chance to pass his group pvz vs gorush and then july lol
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-16 02:50:12
August 16 2006 02:49 GMT
#126
Updated Group I.

The race distribution really sucks. Only 4 protosses, and none of them are trustworthy or consistent.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
ScoutWBF
Profile Joined April 2005
Germany599 Posts
August 16 2006 02:58 GMT
#127
Go Terran!Protoss just sucks against Zerg and has 50/50 against Terran.It's just the "crap" race XD
amoxicilline
Profile Joined August 2005
France1124 Posts
August 16 2006 03:02 GMT
#128
when does this osl start?
shasin
Profile Joined May 2005
Romania899 Posts
August 16 2006 03:08 GMT
#129
July vs Nada final would be awsome! Golden mouse gogogo

Maybe someone will sub or dub the group pickings. thats always very funny to watch
Begone the fools that lead me - I need not to know
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
August 16 2006 03:34 GMT
#130
On August 16 2006 12:02 amoxicilline wrote:
when does this osl start?

news will be out in a minute.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-16 02:51:53
March 16 2008 02:50 GMT
#131
Where have all these threads been hiding? Article'd.
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