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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-05 04:38:56
July 05 2008 03:55 GMT
#1
<rant>
The general state of my well being rests upon your shoulders !

To settle an argument with a "friend" of mine

Is 3hatch ling speed (with only 10 drones left over) a cheese?

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Poll: 3hatch speedlingz = ebil cheese?
(Vote): no fucking shit!(cheese)
(Vote): uhh no..(give reason)

;edit; kay fuck my general well -being
as i ranted to shallow eariler fuck all of ye'!- you all can fucking jump and fucking die in a flaming fucking pit with fucking flames and fucking spikes.
- No, ..actually, fucking , spiky dildoes SHOVED up your asses
NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE FUCKING PITY VOTE OMFG.
*cries in corner in fetal position

ok nevermind teh new zvt replay on tl makes meh happeh again
yey
for zvt game spoiler+ Show Spoiler +
ok nevermind the z fucking lost due to imba terran skeelz

;edit2;
OMG YAY 2 PITY VOTES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
<end rant>

oh and im just kidding about the.. dying.. in horrific/traumatizing way
just wanted to emphasis meh disappointment
tl rox mah sox~

*
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
July 05 2008 03:57 GMT
#2
It's as legit as a 2 hatch hydra break. I lost to one of those today.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
July 05 2008 03:58 GMT
#3
If it was done without regard for the opponent's build (as mostly done in BGH), I would say it's cheese. But if it's done to, for instance, crush T/P FE, then I'd say it's a nice tactical move. *shrugs* I classify cheese by intent.
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Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
July 05 2008 03:58 GMT
#4
IMO a cheese is when its scouted you're basically screwed, like say proxy or 5pool, or just building in their base.
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 05 2008 03:59 GMT
#5
Uhh no. Cheesing would be some gay shit like 4/5/6 pool. 3 hatch lings is like the same as 3 hatch hydras or some shit like that. If you can't stop lings 5 minutes into the game, you don't deserve to win.
God Bless
inlagdsil
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada957 Posts
July 05 2008 04:00 GMT
#6
3 hatch speedlings is easily scoutable and can be a good beginning to a macro heavy fast expanding zerg. It is a powerful way of taking map control, and since it isn't "all in" I don't think it's cheese. (I could be wrong about my strategic assessments, I rarely ever do this)
There is nothing cuter than a zergling when it has just started taking crack
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24698 Posts
July 05 2008 04:02 GMT
#7
It's a viable build, and strong vs people who don't know how to respond.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
July 05 2008 04:13 GMT
#8
On July 05 2008 13:00 inlagdsil wrote:
3 hatch speedlings is easily scoutable and can be a good beginning to a macro heavy fast expanding zerg. It is a powerful way of taking map control, and since it isn't "all in" I don't think it's cheese. (I could be wrong about my strategic assessments, I rarely ever do this)

Nah you're pretty much right. With 3 hatch lings you can pretty much contain the protoss for a limited time, which gives you a big enough window to lay down a few expansions.
Not bad for a cat toy.
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
July 05 2008 04:18 GMT
#9
Saying 3 hatch speedling is cheese is like saying anything other than standard play is cheese. IMO, the only cheese builds are proxy rushes and 4/5 pools.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
July 05 2008 04:23 GMT
#10
Shut the fuck up and scout.

JESUS CHRIST.
Moderator
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
July 05 2008 04:27 GMT
#11
I don't consider cheese a bad thing.. it's just a way to end the game early, which is perfectly legitimate, and which 3 hatch ling quallifies as. Maybe i should rethink that but i won't just now
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-05 04:30:33
July 05 2008 04:30 GMT
#12
On July 05 2008 13:23 Chill wrote:
Shut the fuck up and scout.

JESUS CHRIST.


normally i would retort that i was just talking about the classification , not an actual game ( seeing as how i play z and rather tend to stray from tvz / pvz) or that ,in this hypothetical game, even if i did scout, it wouldn't debunk the question if it was a cheese of not.

but fuck, what chance do i have vs chill ;_;
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
ash.cure
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States29 Posts
July 05 2008 04:54 GMT
#13
3 hatch speedlings shouldn't be considered "cheese" imo, but it is a pretty poor build because it wont win vs many average-above average players. And if it is scouted, it isn't all-in, but it would be hard to come back from an unsucessful 3hatch ling attack against a player of similar or better skill
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
July 05 2008 04:54 GMT
#14
its fine...................................... as long as you are able to scout it.
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
July 05 2008 05:35 GMT
#15
I thought this thread was going to be about various types of edible cheese
^-^
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24698 Posts
July 05 2008 05:36 GMT
#16
On July 05 2008 13:30 HeavOnEarth wrote:
but fuck, what chance do i have vs chill ;_;
Just acknowledge the fact that he is usually right on these sorts of topics, but often overreacts.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 05 2008 06:04 GMT
#17
it's an all-in sure
rgfdxm
Profile Joined December 2006
United States239 Posts
July 05 2008 06:07 GMT
#18
I think Chill's point is that "classifying" builds as cheese is monumentally pointless and psychologically self-defeating. It doesn't matter if the build that beat you can be called "cheese" or not according to a jury of your peers. Scout it and beat it or shut up.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24698 Posts
July 05 2008 06:12 GMT
#19
On July 05 2008 15:07 rgfdxm wrote:
It doesn't matter if the build that beat you can be called "cheese" or not according to a jury of your peers. Scout it and beat it or shut up.

Definitely a matter of opinion open to interpretation. I refuse to argue that in this silly blog though, so pm me if you want my opinion.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
July 05 2008 06:29 GMT
#20
there is no "cheese"

you take certain risks by going different builds, and other builds are there to exploit them

rock paper scissors factor
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
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