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For me, the easiest way to learn something was never to look at the people who are the best and then copy them, it was looking at the people who are the worst - the people who seem to know exactly what to do only to do the opposite, and then making sure not to do what they're doing. With that in mind, let me introduce you to a few things you should never do if you have any aspiration of being less terrible than you most likely already are given the fact that you're reading this in the first place. Without further ado:
On December 28 2013 05:41 crazyweasel wrote:
Vuvuzela
my goal is top 20 - still can't decide between Parting and Maru help me please
Main Team
4
Creator
Prime's first protoss
4
Keen
Keen always was clutch in gsl's and Gstl's, solid terran who did good in wcs
7Parting (captain)
plays twice first week, plus it's Parting
3
Rogue(Savage)
I remember watching a tourhouse vid where his teamate said he was the best in practice matches
4soO
finished 2nd Wcs korea
4Trap
finished 3rd WCS Korea beating excellent players, he's my weird draft for this fantasy
4 [tlpd#teams#sc2-korean]KT Rolster[/tlpd]
KT always strong in proleague
Anti Team
4Classic
Never was a big fan of his, hes 3rd toss on skt behind parting and rain so i guess he shouldn't play too much
4Sora
plays flash first week, lol he'll lose
5Super
needed a 5 pointer
My personal tips for people who are new or cant decide between players:
-Byul is a 4 pointer who's gonna be IM only zerg playing - nestea probably won't play as he never did in teamleagues (he's done being good anyways).
-Bbyong is a 3 pointed and only decent terran in CJ
-Look for players in the smaller rosters as they should have more playtime eg. KT rolster has very few players with flash stats and zest likely to play every match
-Pick Flash, I never do and always regret it; he's by far the best fantasy player you can get.
-and you're gonna be sad if you hop in the Sora bandwagon, all he did was beat parting and a bunch of nonames.
Vuvuzela
my goal is top 20 - still can't decide between Parting and Maru help me please
Main Team
4
CreatorPrime's first protoss
4
KeenKeen always was clutch in gsl's and Gstl's, solid terran who did good in wcs
7
Parting (captain)plays twice first week, plus it's Parting
3
Rogue(Savage)I remember watching a tourhouse vid where his teamate said he was the best in practice matches
4
soOfinished 2nd Wcs korea
4
Trapfinished 3rd WCS Korea beating excellent players, he's my weird draft for this fantasy
4 [tlpd#teams#sc2-korean]KT Rolster[/tlpd]
KT always strong in proleague
Anti Team
4
ClassicNever was a big fan of his, hes 3rd toss on skt behind parting and rain so i guess he shouldn't play too much
4
Soraplays flash first week, lol he'll lose
5
Superneeded a 5 pointer
My personal tips for people who are new or cant decide between players:
-Byul is a 4 pointer who's gonna be IM only zerg playing - nestea probably won't play as he never did in teamleagues (he's done being good anyways).
-Bbyong is a 3 pointed and only decent terran in CJ
-Look for players in the smaller rosters as they should have more playtime eg. KT rolster has very few players with flash stats and zest likely to play every match
-Pick Flash, I never do and always regret it; he's by far the best fantasy player you can get.
-and you're gonna be sad if you hop in the Sora bandwagon, all he did was beat parting and a bunch of nonames.
I'm having a difficult time deciding if crazyweasel, with appropriately crazy ideas on how to place top 20 in FPL, if seriously trying, or attempting to make sure everyone knows how not to create a strong FPL team. A breakdown:
- A Prime player for more than 1 point on the main team. Even if we look past the fact that all Prime players are helplessly terrible, it is important to keep an eye on the weekly line-ups. In Week 1, Creator is facing off against Yonghwa and Rain. A cursory glance at the win rates (offline, PvP, Korean opponents, HotS) puts Creator roughly 10% behind both Rain and Yonghwa, Even disregarding this, Creator has been a mixed bag in PvP lately, losing his last 3 offline PvPs against Rain, Classic and herO for a grand total of 1-6. Now, while it is true that Creator will be fielded regularly (probably every match), there are other (cheaper) players on Prime that are likely to be fielded regularly as well, opening up more points for safer bets than Creator.
- soO, for all the recognition he received after his almost miraculous GSL run, hasn't been terribly convincing since. Losses to Yonghwa, Rain, herO and Hurricane since his 2-4 loss against Dear isn't convincing enough for a 4-pointer who'll likely be rotated out in favor of one of Fantasy, Classic, Bravo and Sacsri more often than not. Picking soO relies on bringing in points from SKT victories, something that's dangerous in itself since it relies on SKT not only winning, but doing it in convincing fashion every time.
- Picking Classic, with "I was never a fan and he shouldn't play much" as reasoning when the guy is being freaking fielded this very week isn't a wise choice. At all. The guy went 16-4 after his switch to Protoss. It is also important to note that he's playing PvP, possibly his best match-up, against a Prime rookie. A win is essentially guaranteed, as is a few bonus points as SKT is likely to take the match 3-0 or 3-1. Reality or Roro (also at 4 points) would have been a better pick. Even TY, worth 5, would have been a safer pick as he's facing CJ's PvT maestro herO in his only match of the week.
- Underestimating Sora is equally, if not more, dangerous to one's FPL effort. I would argue that the anti-team, more so than the main team, is what ruins most people in FPL. Misjudging a single player can often be enough to kick you way out of the race, and putting Sora on the anti-team arguing that the only good player he beat was Parting is foolish to say the least. He did, in fact, beat: Bomber, Curious (a few times), Soulkey, Bbyong, Life and Dream in addition to Parting. Flash may still beat him in Week 1, but it's not unlikely that CJ will still get the better of KT and take the match anyway.
On December 28 2013 04:13 Ljas wrote:
Prime Time with HerO
Main Team
3Byun
4HerO (captain)
3Jila(Kal)
2Remember
1Splendid
2Terror
0![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/5/5d/Primelogo.jpg/50px-Primelogo.jpg)
Anti Team
6Hydra
4RorO
3Sniper
What could possibly go wrong?
Prime Time with HerO
Main Team
3
Byun4
HerO (captain)3
Jila(Kal)2
Remember1
Splendid2
Terror0
Anti Team
6
Hydra4
RorO3
SniperWhat could possibly go wrong?
Yes, what could possibly go wrong? *Rolleyes*
On December 28 2013 06:25 jinorazi wrote:
맨탈붕괘
Main Team
4Classic (captain)
3Cure(Speed)
4HerO
4Reality
4RorO
5TY(Baby)
6 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]
Anti Team
6DongRaeGu
3Shine
4Shine
i dunno what im doing :/
맨탈붕괘
Main Team
4
Classic (captain)3
Cure(Speed)4
HerO4
Reality4
RorO5
TY(Baby)6 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]SK Telecom T1[/tlpd]
Anti Team
6
DongRaeGu3
Shine4
Shinei dunno what im doing :/
It is quite clear that jinorazi has no idea what he's doing
So what do we take away from the mistakes of the poor fools above?
-If you're picking a serious team, never pick a player worth more than 2 points without studying the player - his match-ups and the opponents he played, first
-The best player for your anti-team is a player who plays on a team with multiple fieldable players but that is unlikely to perform very well. Essentially, Samsung.
-Avoid picking several players that aren't getting fielded at all in any given week if possible. Cure, Reality and Roro may bring in some points, but they can only do that if they're playing. Since none of them are (at all), it may indicate a dip in form or that the team has become a lot more competitive. If you can, avoid picking players for more than 1 or 2 points that won't be fielded,
because oftentimes they'll fail to be worth what you paid for them.
-Don't pick Prime players. Please. Spare yourself the agony.
-Don't overestimate the value of individual league performances if you've yet to see the player perform in a team league setting. Mvp is pretty sick at preparation, right? Then you should also know that he's pretty sick at not actually playing at all in team leagues - quite the concern when you need points for your main team.
-Look at the god damn line-ups
How to win
There are a few tricks that are (or should be) frequently employed among those who tend to take Fantasy competition seriously. Chief among these is trading players. This comes with a trade tax of -1, but it is often worth it rather than hoping that eins will beat Soulkey in TvZ, for example.
A good example would be a player you know won't play next week (or for a while, see Taeja last season). When a player isn't fielded, he is unable to win and every point said player will gather comes from team victories. Weigh the gains of having a player with guaranteed 0 points from appearing and playing against the strength of the player's team. For example, if Soulkey is going away next week, it might still not be a very good idea to pick him since SKT is likely to bring in a few points anyway, ultimately hurting your total.
Another thing that will often work in your favor is knowledge of the online scene. Armani, Solar, eMotion and Trend aren't names that you'll often see in Code S, but they've been quietly killing off all kinds of players online for the last few months. With their relative anonymity comes a cheap price tag, freeing up points for a safe card like Soulkey, Parting or herO with relatively little risk. Again, look at the line-ups and judge if having one or more of these guys is worth it based on how often you think they'll appear and on how many wins they will logically bring in for their team.
Mathematically, picking more than one very expensive player from the same team isn't likely to be worth it unless you're really sure they'll be bringing in a metric ton of wins (see Flash in Brood War Winners' League). Which, to be completely fair, you probably won't be. Picking both Rain and Soulkey sounds like a great idea until you realise you need to buy 4 more players and a team for the remaining 14 points and only one of them can play in an ace match at any given time. Instead investing in, for example, Soulkey and CJ's herO (if you have a thing for expensive players, which tends to be a bad habit) will almost always be a better choice - both will play in every match, both will win most of their matches, but you'll be able to reap the benefits of up to four ace matches and team wins in a single week as opposed to two by going with Soulkey/Rain.
At this point, the current flavor of the month is Protoss. The entire meta-game, in fact, seems to be circling around Protoss at the moment. Being able to discern trends in the metagame is a great advantage to have in FPL. Because you can be reasonably sure that any Protoss will be playing a signficant amount of PvP, acquiring players known to be strong in the Protoss mirror is desirable. Again, the database of a website like Aligulac will be your friend in these situations. Knowing that Squirtle recently beat San 4-0 and followed it up with a swift 2-0 over Trust could potentially sway you into picking him up over another Protoss, just as finding that a player is especially weak in PvP should make you think twice about picking him up.
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team.
