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A chat excerpt from my games earlier today:
You: damn
so many starcraft players are all substances
too bad the substances erode the brain
and they also prevent you from learning
Just: what about
things like aderole
or however its spelled
that help you concentrate
Thor: adderral
i think?
You: adderall is like caffeine mixed with cocaine mixed with meth
in fact i think those are the active ingredients
i got better affects from vyvanse by far than adderall but both drugs fry your brain and everything you learn on them is state associated with the greater speed and lesser intuition
You: so once you decide to stop frying your brain you'll find that you're not that great for a while while your brain recovers
like if you were really serious about using those drugs in competitive play you could practice without them 99% of the time and then play with them in crucial matches and you'd probably get some big improvements
You: unless of course your opponent is A) high or B) high on marijuana and then you'll probably just make a bunch of otherwise inexplicable blunders because amphetamines reduce your effective will power defense to pretty much nothing
You: you'll see that people who are high on amphetamines, especially meth tend to say a lot of really really stupid freudian slips and reveal to more attentive audeinces a lot of information that they probably wouldn't want people to hear
and what they say is sort of straight forward like it's tough to give an example but it's true there's not much depth to their conversation or something like they're just railing stream of consciousness for hours on end and it sounds good because their brain is firing at maximum capacity and maximum adrenaline without any patience, or whatever you'd like to call it, that's necessary and required for intuition and creativity. of course there are some intuitions that are more accessible on amphetamines -- little jumps of minor creativity. however, in terms of creating structures that require big inductive leaps or creating unity among what appear to be dissimilar thoughts, amphetamines severely hamper your ability to do this.
You: of course from a logical perspective if someone on meth is well-educated in logical thought then they'll be able to give very articulate logical arguments due to the increased speed (like overclocking a processor). however, you've probably seen that human brains are not quite like computer processors, at least where our current technology is concerned. so, the equivalent of overclocking a processor is not a good solution to your brain which requires much more induction and creativity and is not or should not be simply a binary processing device
You: so that [logical process on amphetamines] seems interesting but it lacks of a certain connectedness that is sort of essential to integrating logical argument to the real world. logic is a structure or formula that is not probably a true mimic of reality, although it is a powerful modeling tool that in the right conditions provides insight into the nature of reality. (thus a problem with amphetamines is that they force a disconnect between the logical mind and the reality that it tries to describe. so while amphetamines increase logical power, so to speak, they also render the products of that logical thought useless because of a divorce between mind perceiving reality.
You: like why do a bunch of western mathematicians come up with these great dazzling formulas that are very compact and curious after hours, days, or months of work, and yet while these formulas are of some interest from a logical perspective they are worse than useless in their real world application. such formulas give either no insight into the real world or create delusions concerning the nature of the world. this is an especially pernicious problem in my field (economics)
Thor: are you high yourself? you're rambling when im the only active person in this channel
You: well maybe i'll put this in my tl blog or something
You: if you look at the evolution of mathematics, particularly western mathematics, around the inception of amphetamines, the introduction and popularity of amphetamines with mathematicians, you'll see that math became this sort of IQ flexing contest. mathematicians seem a lot more concerned with the logical elegance and impressiveness of their work than any real world application, or even unity with the discipline of mathematics seen in unification.
You: 'abstract math' and is ess and less applicable to reality. each mathematician's career is charactertized by the mathematician's work becoming less and less accessible to anyone other than himself until he's just spiraling off in his own direction and
nothing he says makes any sense to anyone
 
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It seems like drugs are really becoming quite problematic in SC2 recently.
NO SPEED 2012
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this discussion you had with this person is great and all but i would argue has no scientific facts about different drugs, and also people legally cannon get these drugs unless the are prescribed so players that are taking them or need them have them because they have a.d.d. or some other mental ailment. also if you talk about prescription drugs its been brought up befor you would also have to argue diet, herbs, and other consumables a person may be taking... just my 2 cents
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On June 05 2012 11:03 Failsafe wrote:
You: if you look at the evolution of mathematics, particularly western mathematics, around the inception of amphetamines, the introduction and popularity of amphetamines with mathematicians, you'll see that math became this sort of IQ flexing contest. mathematicians seem a lot more concerned with the logical elegance and impressiveness of their work than any real world application, or even unity with the discipline of mathematics seen in unification.
You: 'abstract math' and is ess and less applicable to reality. each mathematician's career is charactertized by the mathematician's work becoming less and less accessible to anyone other than himself until he's just spiraling off in his own direction and
nothing he says makes any sense to anyone
sorry dude but thats bullshit. mathmaticians have done weird shit that has no real world application for centuries. some stuff got really important later on although at it's time it was just for mathmatics itself.
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Actually the complaints about math just seem like a dumb 'if I don't understand it then therefore it is not applicable to the real world / stupid.' You hear the same thing when people who don't know what they're talking about share their opinion on the value of literature. You would be surprised how important things you don't understand are to very practical matters of your life.
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Haha yes!
And this guy was also clearly (I can't prove it, but I believe so) using amphetamine or some form of stimulants when he wrote this. I have dabbled in amphetamines here and there (among many other things), and producing walls of text every time you get near a computer or communication device and talking incessantly about one topic long after the other person has become bored of it are common and telling symptoms; these behavior are to stimulants what uncontrollable laughter and mild paranoia are to marijuana.
Funny he mentions Adderall and Vyvanse like they're so different, when Vyvanse is just a prodrug (drug that must be metabolized before it takes effect, therefore preventing abuse by snorting and such) of dextroamphetamine called lisdexamfetamine (If I remember correctly), aka Dexedrine, which is extremely similar is its effects and indications to Adderall, which is a mixture of amphetamine salts.
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The less knowledgeable a person is on a subject the more opinions they often have on it.
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Someone get Failsafe back in his I love me jacket.
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please... dont do amps while playing sc2, even if it helps your gameplay (i reached top 8 masters)
i got addicted to sc2 AND amps during last summer break and lost a fuck ton of weight (15 pounds), had no social life and i just felt awful all the time...
EDIT: just in case some people are wondering i eventually stopped doing amps and played sc2 a lot less when i realized that i need to fix my shit ( a lot of my friends said i'd lost a lot of weight when school started). ive also gained back those 15 and an extra 5 and currently trying to add more mass :D
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It's funny how this quickly went from "Amphetamines and Starcraft" to "Amphetamines and OH MY GOD MY SKIN IS CRAWLING LET ME TELL EVERYONE EVERYTHING"
Was pretty interesting to read anyway.
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On June 05 2012 12:04 Probe1 wrote:
The less knowledgeable a person is on a subject the more opinions they often have on it.
son i don't have opinions my opinions are facts and that's a fact
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On June 05 2012 13:37 Failsafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 12:04 Probe1 wrote:
The less knowledgeable a person is on a subject the more opinions they often have on it. son i don't have opinions my opinions are facts and that's a fact
But if your opinions are facts, then all facts are, in fact, your opinion, which means you have opinions, which makes it not a fact, which means your opinions are only opinions, except in your opinion, in which they're facts, in fact, which is factually an opinion, to obliquely, opulently, and obscurely, but never obsequiously, opine on the facts of this farcically factually facetious faceted fancy of the fated Failsafe.
Arbitrarily absolving anecdotal alliterative allegorical absinth absconding absolutely, alcoholic!
Now the real question: How many people think this made more sense than the OP?
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I'm afraid that your injection of common and uncommon phrasing can have no competition with the OP. Because that sort of writing is taut, meaningful, hard, sinewy, compact, newsy, factual, muscular, meaty, smart, modern, brittle, chromium, bright, flexible and obviously omnispectric.
I would elaborate but one can almost smell the smugness, can almost hear oneself hoping that some of it will not drip down and stain the carpet. I, of course, speak of the tired sentiment 'engaging-battle-wits-unarmed-man'.
I leave you in my very best at the close of yet another glorious day
Your servant,
---- Probono Probenberg Probe.
(I have been advised that I cannot mention this name due to a legal technicality)
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On June 05 2012 13:59 Probe1 wrote:
I'm afraid that your injection of common and uncommon phrasing can have no competition with the OP. Because that sort of writing is taut, meaningful, hard, sinewy, compact, newsy, factual, muscular, meaty, smart, modern, brittle, chromium, bright, flexible and obviously omnispectric.
I would elaborate but one can almost smell the smugness, can almost hear oneself hoping that some of it will not drip down and stain the carpet. I, of course, speak of the tired sentiment 'engaging-battle-wits-unarmed-man'.
I leave you in my very best at the close of yet another glorious day
Your servant,
Probulous Probono Probenberg Probe.
I was kind of hoping it still made more sense, actually. I'm stone sober, and would hope I'd need to be under some sort of influence to sound like the OP.
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On June 05 2012 13:59 Probe1 wrote:
I'm afraid that your injection of common and uncommon phrasing can have no competition with the OP. Because that sort of writing is taut, meaningful, hard, sinewy, compact, newsy, factual, muscular, meaty, smart, modern, brittle, chromium, bright, flexible and obviously omnispectric.
I would elaborate but one can almost smell the smugness, can almost hear oneself hoping that some of it will not drip down and stain the carpet. I, of course, speak of the tired sentiment 'engaging-battle-wits-unarmed-man'.
I leave you in my very best at the close of yet another glorious day
Your servant,
Probulous Probono Probenberg Probe.
Dear Mr Probe1
Luminous plagiarism.
Yours in legal dispute
Probulous
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On June 05 2012 13:46 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 13:37 Failsafe wrote:On June 05 2012 12:04 Probe1 wrote:
The less knowledgeable a person is on a subject the more opinions they often have on it. son i don't have opinions my opinions are facts and that's a fact But if your opinions are facts, then all facts are, in fact, your opinion, which means you have opinions, which makes it not a fact, which means your opinions are only opinions, except in your opinion, in which they're facts, in fact, which is factually an opinion, to obliquely, opulently, and obscurely, but never obsequiously, opine on the facts of this farcically factually facetious faceted fancy of the fated Failsafe. Arbitrarily absolving anecdotal alliterative allegorical absinth absconding absolutely, alcoholic! Now the real question: How many people think this made more sense than the OP?
what entitles you discriminating between facts and opinions when your facts are so fatally flawed? a question of fact is not a matter of your opinion on the facts, nor is a fact that your opinion entitles you to what you so fallaciously falter in your factual statements to refer a fact to an opinion and an opinion as a fact. forever feigning fluidity with the help of some highly modded thesaurus warrants neither fact nor fiction in reply but simply a flame as no doubt this is perceived. frequently facts will lie no less than opinions will 'opine' the circuitous nature of speech, which lending its sophistry to your tired tongue permits you doubt the factual basis of my opinions, and this is no more a misperception of the circularity of your claim; my opinions facts are separated by no more than a misconstrual of time, a substance no more factual than the ephemeral reliance upon cheap tricks like your literation. let's be frank, facts are facts and opinions are opinions and unless they align both are fraudulent and neither are different and not to ignore the factual opinion which is simply an opinion in lieu of a fact, but in fact the opinion so often undermines the fact that the fact itself changes to opinion and the opinion seeks to find the fact. but neither fact or opinion is self-recognizing nor is it possible that one proves another; case in point my opinion is fact because it the facts are true and the opinions then verily vie voracious veracity viscerally vociferate vee and that's the facts
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On June 05 2012 14:27 Failsafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 13:46 JingleHell wrote:On June 05 2012 13:37 Failsafe wrote:On June 05 2012 12:04 Probe1 wrote:
The less knowledgeable a person is on a subject the more opinions they often have on it. son i don't have opinions my opinions are facts and that's a fact But if your opinions are facts, then all facts are, in fact, your opinion, which means you have opinions, which makes it not a fact, which means your opinions are only opinions, except in your opinion, in which they're facts, in fact, which is factually an opinion, to obliquely, opulently, and obscurely, but never obsequiously, opine on the facts of this farcically factually facetious faceted fancy of the fated Failsafe. Arbitrarily absolving anecdotal alliterative allegorical absinth absconding absolutely, alcoholic! Now the real question: How many people think this made more sense than the OP? what entitles you discriminating between facts and opinions when your facts are so fatally flawed? a question of fact is not a matter of your opinion on the facts, nor is a fact that your opinion entitles you to what you so fallaciously falter in your factual statements to refer a fact to an opinion and an opinion as a fact. forever feigning fluidity with the help of some highly modded thesaurus warrants neither fact nor fiction in reply but simply a flame as no doubt this is perceived. frequently facts will lie no less than opinions will 'opine' the circuitous nature of speech, which lending its sophistry to your tired tongue permits you doubt the factual basis of my opinions, and this is no more a misperception of the circularity of your claim; my opinions facts are separated by no more than a misconstrual of time, a substance no more factual than the ephemeral reliance upon cheap tricks like your literation. let's be frank, facts are facts and opinions are opinions and unless they align both are fraudulent and neither are different and not to ignore the factual opinion which is simply an opinion in lieu of a fact, but in fact the opinion so often undermines the fact that the fact itself changes to opinion and the opinion seeks to find the fact. but neither fact or opinion is self-recognizing nor is it possible that one proves another; case in point my opinion is fact because it the facts are true and the opinions then verily vie voracious veracity viscerally vociferate vee and that's the facts
Ow. I should have known better than to try that stunt with someone who's currently under the influence.
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