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Azera
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Last Edited: 2013-01-23 11:03:52
November 06 2012 06:57 GMT
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Introduction

Hello, I think I've mentioned in one of my previous blogs that I would allow myself to indulge in the (dis)pleasure in reading 1984. I hope that it will serve as an excellent prelude to Brave New World by Huxley. Throughout this blog, I intend to share my thoughts and interpretations of the book. I don't think I'll talk too much on the political ideologies because any attempt to do so on my part would ultimately result in me making a fool of myself.




Entry 1 Tuesday, Nov 06 5:56am GMT (GMT+00:00)

I've read up to chapter six thus far, and I think I've managed to understand exactly what kind of dystopia Oceania is and isn't. The presence of Big Brother is mentioned constantly through, and how it's done is similar to how Sauron's Eye was in the Lord of the Rings film trilogy - mentioned enough so you don't forget the true evil.

Throughout the time I've spent on Reddit, I've seen my fair share of the hivemind circle-jerking over North Korea being the living representation of Oceania, and that Orwell knew there'd be a country like North Korea today, and wrote 1984 as an allegory for NK. Personally I think they're all wrong, and yet right at the same time. Sure, certain aspects are similar like the lack of basic civil liberties and the overwhelming amount of propaganda, but come on, saying that NK is Oceania is just misguided hyperbole.

There isn't much to comment on, and especially since it was so hyped up, I was surprised that 1984 wasn't as horrifying as I thought it'd be. Nevertheless, there were parts that made me uncomfortable when I thought about it. I feel that it's unfortunate that the whole thing on vaporising people and erasing them from history didn't hit me as hard because of Stalin's purges that I learned in History class.

Anyway, moving on to the literary part of the book, it seems to me that Orwell was trying to portray the society as one giant machine where everybody are but faceless cogs. I first thought about this in Chapter five, the part where Winston is in the cramped canteen with low-ceilings. If I'm not over-analysing things, the canteen is crowded because cogs do not have much space to do anything else than their intended purpose in a machine. The sentence "The queue gave another jerk forward" reminds me of the workings of a giant clock tower. I also like how Orwell drains the life out of the meal - "Onto each [tray] was dumped the regulation lunch - a metal pannikin of pinkish-grey stew, a hunk of bread, a cube of cheese, a mug of milk-less Victory Coffee, and one saccharine tablet.". Words like hunk, cube, and mug are pretty boring and lifeless words to me, so it adds to the gloom. I enjoyed how "saccharine tablet" was used in place of "candy" or "sweet". That's a delicious use of words.

Entry 2 Wednesday, Nov 07 6:15am GMT (GMT+00:00)

Just finished reading the next chapter, chapter 7. So far Orwell has done a magnificent job with trying to get the reader to empathize with Winston. I like how he explains language can restrict a person's conscience and narrow down reality. Nothing short of stunning, really.

Entry 3 Sunday, Nov 11 9:40am GMT (GMT+00:00)

Finally had the time to get a good chunk of reading in my day. I've read up to Chapter 4 of Part 2. I think the storyline is progressing rather nicely. However, this is feeling more and more like Dictatorship 101 to me. It's interesting how Orwell mentions that something like lust - a "baser" sense, can be the downfall of a dictatorship. I feel that Orwell is trying to explain how civil unrest can essentially topple a totalitarian government. It's actually a rather neat idea to focus the most of your brain-washing efforts on the children rather than the adults. If you deny the children the facts and the actual circumstances of the world, you can create your own reality as time passes.

Also, I wish Orwell had expanded on how art was altered or destroyed. Just imagine all the things you can attribute to your glorious nation if you could re-write the past. Patriotic music like Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture could be said to be the work of a retired army general to invoke military pride. Beethoven's Symphony No.6 could be used to exemplify the supposed peace and tranquil Oceania has, Symphony No.9 could be used to promote camaraderie amongst comrades and such.

The dark-haired girl whose name I've forgotten seems to be the stereotypical apathetic citizen I've noticed here in Singapore. "To heck with politics unless it affects me first-hand!" People like her cannot necessarily overthrow an oppressive government, but they surely can spur on and fuel people like Winston, people who actually want to do something. I share the same suspicions as the girl in that I think the rocket strikes are all part of Big Brothers' plan.

Predictions: Winston approaches O`Brien after dark-haired girl is vaporized by the thought police.

Entry 4 Monday, Nov 19 10:37am GMT (GMT+00:00)

Alright, I've managed to reap up to Chapter 9 of part 2 and I can just feel (physically) that the climax is about to come. Julia and Winston just concluded their meeting with O`Brien, and there's a part of me that thinks Julia will break soon. She'll report to Big Brother, the Thought Police, or whatever beast in hopes that she'll be excused for her wrongdoings. The chances of this happening is very slim though. I also suspect that O`Brien isn't really on their side. Maybe everything will just end with O`Brien throwing Julia and Winston in a re-education centre or make them confess and vaporise them. I'm quite happy with how the storyline is progressing so far.

I cannot state this enough - Orwell has succeeded in creating a vivid distopia in my mind. I can imagine the intricacies of it without him telling. He's given me the general view of Oceania, and given me sufficient information to build it on my own.

Entry 5

This update is way overdue. I finished the book 2 months ago and I kept procrastinating until I forgot all about it. Anyway, here's what I think of what I remember:
I can't say that I was surprised at how the book ended, but I enjoyed how the book was ending. Winston being tortured until he loved Big Brother and loved the part all made sense. It's genius, really. Orwell is a genius.

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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
November 06 2012 08:35 GMT
#2
It'll probably be a while before you really appreciate 1984
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
November 06 2012 08:56 GMT
#3
On November 06 2012 17:35 Divinek wrote:
It'll probably be a while before you really appreciate 1984


How do you see 1984?
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
November 06 2012 08:58 GMT
#4
Saccharine is probably for the coffee and not as a candy.It is pretty awful stuff though.
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Sorook
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
31 Posts
November 06 2012 09:00 GMT
#5
I agree with Divinek you can't really appreciate 1984 or really understand how horrifying of a world that Orwell has created until you finish it and are able to see it as a whole.
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
November 06 2012 09:07 GMT
#6
On November 06 2012 17:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Saccharine is probably for the coffee and not as a candy.It is pretty awful stuff though.


You mean a sugar cube to put in the coffee? Huh. Guess it can be that too.
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puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3126 Posts
November 06 2012 09:58 GMT
#7
Super overrated book.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
November 06 2012 10:28 GMT
#8
Maybe not as overrated, but certainly one of the most referred to out of context. A lot of people appreciate it only because of the parallels they can draw to what they think is happening in their own lives / society / world.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
November 06 2012 11:10 GMT
#9
On November 06 2012 19:28 Talin wrote:
Maybe not as overrated, but certainly one of the most referred to out of context. A lot of people appreciate it only because of the parallels they can draw to what they think is happening in their own lives / society / world.


This.

My favorite book of all times, but nothing gets me sighing faster than people thinking 1984 is some book of prophecy. You're reading it wrong ffs.

Also, you really need to read it cover to cover to really reflect on its themes. Several things come undone, or placed in a different perspective near the end.


For me, the best part of the story, and the thematic center, is the final chapters.
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
November 06 2012 11:28 GMT
#10
On November 06 2012 20:10 zalz wrote:
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On November 06 2012 19:28 Talin wrote:
Maybe not as overrated, but certainly one of the most referred to out of context. A lot of people appreciate it only because of the parallels they can draw to what they think is happening in their own lives / society / world.


This.

My favorite book of all times, but nothing gets me sighing faster than people thinking 1984 is some book of prophecy. You're reading it wrong ffs.

Also, you really need to read it cover to cover to really reflect on its themes. Several things come undone, or placed in a different perspective near the end.


For me, the best part of the story, and the thematic center, is the final chapters.


Cool. I can't wait to see how the story progresses. I'm going to want to wait until I finish the book before calling idiots out when they treat it as a prognosis.
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meteorskunk
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada546 Posts
November 06 2012 13:30 GMT
#11
I enjoyed the last paragraph. I think you're right about the cogs in the machinery.. I've never read 1984 but we watched a charlie chaplin movie where he fails badly at being a "cog" in society when we did our 1984 study in english class.

I've read 1q84 by haruki murakami. still not positive on the connection to 1984.. anyways, thats irrelvant but i like hte look of "1q84" i think the japanese do q for 9
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sorrowptoss
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1431 Posts
November 06 2012 14:34 GMT
#12
On November 06 2012 18:58 puppykiller wrote:
Super overrated book.

wat. I totally disagree. I had a book review to do on it in high school and I enjoyed every bit of doing it. I also (personally) like G. Orwell's style a lot, plus as a teenager the whole love plot with Julia gave me a decent amount of motivation to read it. It isn't overrated, but it's true that there are so many references to the book all over the place, for example references to Room 101 and the Thought Police, that sometimes it gets on your nerves.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
November 06 2012 14:42 GMT
#13
On November 06 2012 18:07 Azera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 17:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Saccharine is probably for the coffee and not as a candy.It is pretty awful stuff though.


You mean a sugar cube to put in the coffee? Huh. Guess it can be that too.

Saccharine is an artificial sweetener, my grandmother uses it to sweeten her coffee.It's got a bitter aftertaste, like aspartame.An acquired taste.
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FluffyBinLaden
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States527 Posts
November 06 2012 14:44 GMT
#14
That's a good book. I read it every year, along with the Lord of the Rings books.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 06 2012 14:50 GMT
#15
On November 06 2012 18:58 puppykiller wrote:
Super overrated book.


It's pretty insightful if you're reading at a 6th grade reading level.
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 16:05:10
November 06 2012 15:48 GMT
#16
anyone who's talked to me on irc should know I have big issues with my relationship to orwell

For me, it's not that 1984 is overrated, it's just that every other one of his books (with the exception of animal farm) are massively underrated, and that just reading 1984/animal farm gives you such an imperfect, flawed view of Orwell. I'd just like more people to realize he's written a lot of really really good books, some of them better than 1984 in my opinion, and read some of them for a better view on Orwell as an author. Anyway, that's just me venting. If you just want to read 1984, then it's a good book on its own, provided you don't judge the author as a whole by it.
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zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 16:13:58
November 06 2012 16:13 GMT
#17
Orwell is actually my favorite author, as well as 1984 being my favorite novel.

I disagree on 1984 not being his best work, but I agree that it would be a good thing if people looked past the 1984/animal farm duo, good as they might be.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
November 06 2012 16:28 GMT
#18
As long as you've got a more complete picture of his work than just '84 or Animal Farm, I'm ok with it. I'm really ok with people who've only read 1984, too, as long as they don't think themselves a scholar for it, like I said I just have these weird problems with most things relating to Orwell.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32049 Posts
November 06 2012 16:53 GMT
#19
I really need to reread it because I honestly didn't care for it much when I did a few years ago.
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Scholera
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 17:01:07
November 06 2012 16:55 GMT
#20
On November 06 2012 17:56 Azera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 17:35 Divinek wrote:
It'll probably be a while before you really appreciate 1984


How do you see 1984?


If you haven't finished it yet, then you clearly won't aprecciate it fully.

That said, it's an incredible book. I see it much more relatable to modern day western world, US of A especially...

Wikileaks being hunted down... rewriting history like in the book. "Socialism" etc being made to mean things they dont really mean.... and constantly going to war randomly with Iraq, Afghanistan and now they're trying to invade Iran... It doesn't really matter what country it is, it's all the same Scapegoat for the chickenhawk neocons... "No, We've always been allied with Eurasia against eastasia...."
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