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SC2 World Ranking, Part 2

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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 17:58:56
August 08 2012 18:48 GMT
#1
Part 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=358997

+ Show Spoiler [Introduction] +
Lately, I've heard lots of discussion about a StarCraft 2 World Ranking based on tournament results. Essentially, the concept is that you assign points for tournament rankings. Unfortunately, no matter how it is done, the ranking will always be subjective. One person may say that the GSL is worth as much as every other tournament combined, whereas another person may say that the GSL is worth about as much as a MLG.

How do I get around this "subjective" problem? Here's my answer: I'll let you choose the values!

That's right, I'm starting a project to create a World Ranking. The cool thing is that you get to choose how many points each victory is worth and more.


Last time, I tried using Google Spreadsheets in order to make it more accessible for everyone. However, that was a terrible idea because Google Spreadsheets was simply too slow. Instead, I moved everything over to Microsoft Excel. You can download the spreadsheet here:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43612415/World Ranking.xls

+ Show Spoiler [How to Use] +
The first sheet is known as "Values" and it is the only spreadsheet you should edit. The left column shows the ranking of the player and the right column shows the points that the player receives from that ranking. For example, 1st 5,000 means that the winner of the tournament receives 5,000 points.

Only edit the highlighted areas!

The "Sort" button will automatically sort the lists in order of points.

The sheet known as "Rankings" has the ultimate ranking which you are looking for.


+ Show Spoiler [Regression] +
One thing that is very popular in point rankings such as this is the concept of regression. Basically, your points degrade over time, meaning that a GSL today is worth more than a GSL one year ago. I completely agree with this idea, so I've included this.

The sheet "Values" has a "Regression Factor" which you can edit. Right now, the spreadsheet only supports simple regression - exponential decay. Here's how the regression model works:

New Point Value = Original Point Value * (Regression Factor)^(# of Days since the Tournament)

The value I prefer is "0.99769217652702". If you use this value, the number of points will be halved after 300 days (so 10,000 points becomes 5,000 points), the number of points will be 25% after 600 days (so 10,000 points becomes 2,500 points), and so on.

You may choose your own value! If you do not wish to use regression (you think a GSL from one year ago is worth exactly the same as a GSL today), then simply use the value "1".


However, this is not completed yet! So far, I've only added GSL Code S. In fact, I need your help!

+ Show Spoiler [My Progress] +
Part 1: I started this project on Google Spreadsheets and added the three GSL Open Seasons. NesTea topped the rankings with his GSL Open Season win.

Part 2: I added all of the GSL Code S seasons including the World Championship, Super Tournament, and Blizzard Cup. I also moved the project to Microsoft Excel, which is much much faster than Google Spreadsheets. With the addition of more GSL seasons, the GSL king (also known as Mvp) topped the rankings.


+ Show Spoiler [How You Can Help!] +
I need lists of tournament rankings. First, I need the name of the tournament, and the date it ended. Then, I need a list of players starting from 1st place until last place. Here's an example:

GSL Open Season 1
10/2/2010

FruitDealer
RainBOw
Ensnare
LiveForever
HongUn
InCa
Maka
TricKsteR
anypro
Check
Clide
Hyperdub
LegalMind
Nettie
San
TOP
IdrA
JookTo
justfake
Keeping
Maru
Polt
TaeJa
Tankboy
TheWinD
TLO
ZanDarke
Zenio
Aory
Artosis
Astraea
BrEEzE
Cella
Cezanne
Chipmunk
Dos
FoCuS
Genius
Gerrard
GuineaPig
Hansin
JiTaeHoon
jjonga
JSL
Junwi
LosirA
MC
miso
Myth
NesTea
New
RenieHouR
SengKun
Sopia
Spunky
SSoja
TorcH
Wind
Xian
Yong

My next goal is foreign tournaments. Do not worry about Code A yet!


Finally, here is my own ranking:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. 25,962 Mvp
2. 15,580 MC
3. 15,160 NesTea
4. 14,942 MMA
5. 13,032 DongRaeGu
6. 9,985 Seed
7. 7,659 MarineKing
8. 7,217 Polt
9. 6,606 Genius
10. 6,513 Jjakji

So far, only GSL results are counted. It makes sense that Mvp (the 4-time winner) will take #1 convincingly. Regression clearly plays a role because MC (2-time winner) manages to beat out NesTea (3-time winner) due to his recent finals appearance.


Part 3: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=359320

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IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 23:31 GMT
#2
awesome! will see what i can do to help =)
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 09 2012 00:25 GMT
#3
Checklist:

MLG
DreamHack
IPL
IEM
NASL
Iron Squid
TSL
Red Bull LAN
Assembly
WCG
WCS
HomeStory
OSL
ESWC
BlizzCon
GSL Code A
Other major tournaments/one-off tournaments (such as IPL Hot Import Nights, GSL All-Stars Invitational, MLG Global Invitational, etc.)
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 09 2012 03:03 GMT
#4
i'm thinking for events >32 players, we should do top32 only? cos noone really cares about people who get lower ;D haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 03:35:08
August 09 2012 03:20 GMT
#5
Hmm it doesn't take more than 30 seconds to add 33rd-64th, so I'm not too concerned about the amount of work it will take. On the other hand, if size becomes an issue (the spreadsheet becomes too big), then it might be a good idea.

Actually, I think I'll only include placements which give out prize money. So if a tournament gives out prize money to the top 16 players and someone places #19, I won't include that person. Of course, I can always add that person later, but it's not a priority right now.

Which tournament do you think I should add next?
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 09 2012 05:01 GMT
#6
On August 09 2012 12:20 Entirety wrote:
Hmm it doesn't take more than 30 seconds to add 33rd-64th, so I'm not too concerned about the amount of work it will take. On the other hand, if size becomes an issue (the spreadsheet becomes too big), then it might be a good idea.

Actually, I think I'll only include placements which give out prize money. So if a tournament gives out prize money to the top 16 players and someone places #19, I won't include that person. Of course, I can always add that person later, but it's not a priority right now.

Which tournament do you think I should add next?

hmm although for that kind of stuff, dreamhacks are top4 money only, the old MLG only top 8, etc.
I reckon the next step the IPLs and MLGs :D
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 09 2012 06:57 GMT
#7
I'm not saying that I won't add MLG 9th place or DreamHack 5th place. I'll add it eventually, but it's not a priority right now.

Once I flesh out all the foreign tournaments, I will definitely revisit that!
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