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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 23:45:38
July 28 2011 21:57 GMT
#1
edit: What is the relevancy or use of this entry in particular? I realize this is one of the most obvious thing in the world. But in the heat of conversations or in moments where we are especially proud of something, we tend to forget about the basics.

Also, believe it or not, there's a reason why these sort of thing sells and could be enlightening to the less exposed or social kind of people.

On the internet, it's a little bit harder to take an interest in someone because there is also no one-on-one personal encounter or interaction. In most cases, it's amongst other people simultaneously talking and giving their own input of the subject, so trying to engage with someone about your interests is difficult when there is no initiative or direct focus of attention.



As children, there are little responsibilities resting upon our shoulders. The idea of minding another's well-being, your financial situation and current health are generally not within our hands and with good reason. Granted there are exceptions and even some cases, they very shoes we're morally demanded to fit are too big and become overwhelming to walk in.

As we grow older, so do the number of things we have to be mindful about. The very obligations we come to grow and learn about exhaust us and pine away the few moments we can manage to reserve for our few and leftover hobbies. It's normal that we eventually to think of others when the very few times we talk or do things we desire or like are pure memories of the very childhood we took for granted.

As children, the idea of getting others to like or even accept our company isn't a difficult one. We're new to socializing, anxious to meet new people, discover things or explore new places and share them with everyone we can. With the lack of actual responsibilities and the strength of learning alongside in an institution that teaches us about the norms, morals, values and conventions of society, we grow to want to fit in or at least become an intergral part of the world that we're surrounded by and forced, eventually, to interact with on some level.

Whether there is a business, social, self-esteem or general gain to be liked everyone, getting them to like you might be proven difficult for some (not all, obviously).

+ Show Spoiler +
Like in part 1, these "How to-" guides are fairly obvious to many, but if that's the case, you obviously don't need a guide and I congratulate you on a wonderful and easier aspect of your life


Similar to being appreciated, we like to walk into a room without the distinct feeling that everyone is glaring at you until you melt. You would also like the right people to like you or take note of you. Opportunities arise, relationships are constructed and acceptance becomes less of a worry to pile onto your load.

How do we accomplish this? Well, believe it or not, the steps are rather simple and fall along the lines of understanding, considering and thinking of others. Dale Carnegie's many famous lines were: "When you take a sincere interest in others, they will respect you as a person and take an interest in you." Essentially, what comes around, goes around. However, such a concept eludes the very brightest people and seem to overlook such a basic feature in socializing.

Consider the idea of an interview for a job or for a sponsor. Why is the sponsor talking to you? How do you gain their interest in you, your product or your company? If you start telling them what they can do for you, they're not gonna bother. They can do a lot of things for a lot of people, but their self-interest and the sustainability of their company is a much bigger priority and with good reason.

This is a level of evident interest. When you walk into an interview, you obviously don't talk about how this job will save your marriage, feed your kids and pay for your car insurance. While that is a very harsh and unspoken reality, it doesn't speak of you nor does it speak of your beneficial qualities that could help boost the company is an aspect that they want to improve.

This foundational form of an interest is an agreement with both people understandably wanting something out of it. But have you considered going further? There are 3 levels of interest: Self-Interest, Interest of the Society and Interest of the People. Self-interest will always be present and aware of it, no matter how much you strive to quench its desires, it will always seek for more. This is normal and this is called the Pursuit of Happiness. The interest of society is interconnected with the company, workplace or home you are in. They are duties as a role within that environment that you always take into account. Consider it a simplistic form of the Ego (Freud) where you are morally obligated to mind yourself, where you are and how it is functions.

The Interest of the People (or Person) is what we want. By taking a genuine interest in someone, they equally become interested in you. For instance, upon walking into this meeting I had yesterday, I always open with a "how are you" and a smile (this will be elaborated after). Am I interested how the person is? Generally, yes. Personally, I would like to know what mood he or she would be in so I know what to avoid talking about and/or what level of amicability we can establish. I had gains and interests behind my planned actions, but I also wanted to make sure that my associate was comfortable or nor overwhelmed with something else.

When inquired, he told me he was feeling bushed, tired and in a real rut lately. I took it upon myself to inquire and show a level of personal care as to why that was so. He spent the next 45 minutes talking about his sister's wedding, all the planning. The number of reports he has to file and get done, etc. Before I knew it, our meeting was nearly over and I didn't get to say or talk about what I had wanted in him. But because I took a general interest, asked a pertinent question and followed up with ensuing questions, not being mindful of the time and letting him exert all this bottled up frustration onto me, he apologized, offered me a luncheon and said we could talk for two hours and the meal would be on him (if you've never been to Lucca, I suggest you go, very good Italian fresh food restaurant). There were 2 levels of interests there: a general polite one, minding the courtesy of the society and the relationship I had with the associate (an acquainted and business one) and a more personal one, letting him say as much as he wanted to share without interruption and without letting him think he was out of line or uncomfortable.

+ Show Spoiler [An exemplary scene] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx8Q0lnvf8c

In this scene, I believe Will Smith wanted to talk to this businessman and shares a cab with him. As he was chatting, the businessman seemed preoccupied, busy with his own affairs, despite how trivial it is.

This is where the scene takes off. Will Smith spends the whole car ride solving it, amazing the man, yet... he achieved nothing of his in the whole meeting. Is a terrible thing? No, not entirely because he left a mark on the person and in future attempts to talk to him. He will know and remember that you did something for him and that you minded his business, even when small. All in all: people care so much about the smallest things, because it is important to them to bother with. Showing it is important to you is a huge step!


This works for almost all situations. Some would say this is manipulation because you are aware of the outcome. But the reality is that I truly did and still do care about his sister's wedding and in fact, after I inquired again about the wedding: I was invited. It's not a false sense of care or interest, it's a genuine one and wishing well onto others (knowing that the action requires little to no effort and that he doesn't hurt me seeking others benefits they deserve and hope for). How do you keep yourself genuinely interested? Knowledge. The knowledge to know more about the person, about certain relationships and the need to understand your society. When someone asks or tells you about something, inquire or answer, propose an idea and figure how it can be accomplished or how you can draw a benefit from it. Still manipulation? I would rather think not.

Dale Carnegie has several other tips:
Smile.
Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
Talk in terms of the other person's interests.
Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely.

So, to conclude. Taking an interest into others, a sincere one, will make life for you much, much easier. Even if you have nothing to gain in a person, asking them how their day went, what is new or how XYZ event or person is going will have a significant, even if originally miniscule, effect on the person that will help paint you in a color that suits your needs and in the end; desires.

There's a reason why partners of any gender, love a "good listener". It's one thing to listen, it's another to ask for more things to listen to.



I hope this helps everyone else. This is part 2 of a few ideas I have. No idea if I'll ever finish or do another part but I have the following in my head thus far to do:
  • How to accept criticism or inquire advice
  • Being resourceful and showing effort


+ Show Spoiler [Some backstory] +
If you're wondering how the hell I know all of this stuff. When I was a child, my father was listening to motivational tapes. I always found it pathetic, weak and odd of him to listen to other people babble for 3 hours a tape about things that would seem obvious to an adult (I was 12-13 at the time). He kept going on with it though and made my brother and I listen to it for 8 hours every drive up from Montreal to New Jersey [my parents just got divorced at the time]. This went on for maybe 4 years, about every day for 4 months (summers + winter vacations). I fought, I threw a tantrum and tried to make fun of the tapes, but he kept playing them and made them louder every time. Even when I played on my Gameboy or even late at night, he still played them until they became an incorporated part of how I work, think and see people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXZvwqGksfU&feature=related
Dale Carnegie was the man and my father listened to him like a religion and forced us to listen as well.

Additionally, my father tried to combat our self-destructive personalities with a paper. It was a 600-word paper from this man on our name and just a lot of complimentary adjectives. I didn't understand the words then, but we read it every night in front of the mirror with passion and excitement for my father, despite our dismay or disinterest.

I haven't listened to them in years, but their basic concepts of human interaction has some reside in me, I only figured who they are out, now.


***
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djbhINDI
Profile Joined June 2011
United States372 Posts
July 28 2011 22:02 GMT
#2
Do you really think we need this? Most of this is really obvious. Like, really obvious.
You can't emphasize enough how much you need to be a paradigm shifter. - Savior
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 22:07:15
July 28 2011 22:04 GMT
#3
On July 29 2011 07:02 djbhINDI wrote:
Do you really think we need this? Most of this is really obvious. Like, really obvious.


I don't think you need this. In fact, I wrote the likelihood that something this basic was not needed.

Like in part 1, these "How to-" guides are fairly obvious to many, but if that's the case, you obviously don't need a guide and I congratulate you on a wonderful and easier aspect of your life


I apologize if the obvious is what it is: obvious for you. Not all guides are needed for everyone and their target audiences may be smaller or even null. This isn't a business and I'm not making any money off of this, so taking into account of "what's needed" is almost irrelevant.

But I appreciate nonetheless that you lead a very successful and great life.

*Guides are written for those who do need it or are generally interested
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
July 28 2011 22:52 GMT
#4
Perhaps a bit obvious? Sometimes. But you'd be surprised at how often people forget them. Sick as usual, Torte.
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crayhasissues
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States682 Posts
July 28 2011 22:59 GMT
#5
I enjoyed it Torte. Very good stuff. Most information in this world is repackaged anyways, so I would say you did a good job of analyzing some basic truths about humans
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
July 28 2011 23:07 GMT
#6
FUCK! I scroll down here to see if there's any fire lit by the spit drooling from the recently-reared head of Rekrul, but there is none. Guess I'll have to read the whole thing instead of play Element TD :{
+ Show Spoiler [Shw Spoieuler] +
:}


Torte please Tweet for Brood War
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 23:15:03
July 28 2011 23:13 GMT
#7
Thank you, I realize this is one of the most obvious thing in the world. But in the heat of conversations or in moments where we are especially proud of something, we tend to forget about the basics.

Also, believe it or not, there's a reason why these sort of thing sells and could be enlightening to the less exposed or social kind of people.

On the internet, it's a little bit harder to take an interest in someone because there is also no one-on-one personal encounter or interaction. In most cases, it's amongst other people simultaneously talking and giving their own input of the subject, so trying to engage with someone about your interests is difficult when there is no initiative or direct focus of attention.

I'll add this to the OP to further show the potential of this blog

On July 29 2011 08:07 bITt.mAN wrote:
FUCK! I scroll down here to see if there's any fire lit by the spit drooling from the recently-reared head of Rekrul, but there is none. Guess I'll have to read the whole thing instead of play Element TD :{
+ Show Spoiler [Shw Spoieuler] +
:}


Torte please Tweet for Brood War
/Shameless-Self-Promotion END


I'm utterly confused. Can you explain? I'd love to know what you mean?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
July 28 2011 23:28 GMT
#8
If people can't figure this stuff out on their own then i fear for humanity
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
July 28 2011 23:30 GMT
#9
I'm glad you wrote this Torte. While some points may be obvious, the fact that they are written down in such a clear and eloquent way always helps. In the heyday of modern living, even the obvious slips from our minds, so it's always nice to have a friendly reminder

Didn't know there was a part 1, gonna dig that out for reading at work tomorrow i think
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 28 2011 23:34 GMT
#10


Not everything is apparent or clear for everyone. In addition, understanding why you do something or to what extent or aspects of a statement or proposition may help you further your success with this methodology or approach to people.

Take a listen to the youtube video. They offer not-so obvious examples or situations that may give better view of what I'm trying to convey.
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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 28 2011 23:37 GMT
#11
On July 29 2011 08:28 Divinek wrote:
If people can't figure this stuff out on their own then i fear for humanity


Which is why I fear for humanity...

Torte, this one is a little wordy, even by your standards. Love your work!
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 23:40:47
July 28 2011 23:40 GMT
#12
On July 29 2011 08:37 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 08:28 Divinek wrote:
If people can't figure this stuff out on their own then i fear for humanity


Which is why I fear for humanity...

Torte, this one is a little wordy, even by your standards. Love your work!


Yeah, I feel it wasn't as concise, clear and decently formatted as I usually hope for (as per previously achieved, I'm not sure). I might try and expand on it or work on it, but I really felt the whole concept was fairly obvious and clear anyways. It was just a question of writing it down and considering sociological theories that may help enlighten, even a shred, to the few individuals who do think this is new.

Thanks again!
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Astrapto
Profile Joined December 2010
United States69 Posts
July 29 2011 00:30 GMT
#13
People are seriously criticizing this?
Way to go man, thank you for caring about other people.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 29 2011 01:05 GMT
#14
Unlike in book stores, when you see something you don't find useful, you can only put it down and move on.

On the forums and especially in blogs, the distance between the author and the reader(s) is small, so they can freely criticize.

All this confirms is that TL has a lot of very social and articulated people who are satisfied (in part) with their life and know how to approach or engage with others. Which is great.

Thank you Astrapto :3
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 29 2011 03:50 GMT
#15
On July 29 2011 09:30 Astrapto wrote:
People are seriously criticizing this?
Way to go man, thank you for caring about other people.


I thought part of posting a blog was to get feedback on it?

Why exactly are you so upset about this. Has anyone been rude to Torte? He certainly doesn't seem offended. The only way people improve is if they have something to work on. Trust me, it is much harder to find someone who will give you honest feedback then someone who will kiss your ass.

Feedback requires reading, to kiss ass all you need is a moist pair of lips.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 03:58:29
July 29 2011 03:58 GMT
#16
He's just bothered because he feels people are focusing on a tiny aspect of the negative (stating the obvious) when the intentions fair and well.

It's not an issue, his care is warming :3
If I was offended, I wouldn't show it because it doesn't achieve anything and repels people who want to say something, but don't want to be offended~

Not an issue, there will always be two sides.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 05:01:54
July 29 2011 04:16 GMT
#17
Edit: Taken to PMs
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 29 2011 04:43 GMT
#18
I think there's no gain bringing up this aspect into the public :3
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