• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:08
CEST 13:08
KST 20:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Rollback Netcode in Brood War625.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202621Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)78
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)
Tourneys
RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion TL Sidebar missing streams ChatGPT cheats at StarSkirmish SCAI tournament [ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7260 users

People need to listen to real music

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
SoManyDeadLings
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada255 Posts
May 17 2010 10:59 GMT
#1
Just some thoughts into the matter during my night of insomnia.

Ronnie Dio

On May 17 2010 17:34 icyF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 14:01 SoManyDeadLings wrote:
On May 17 2010 10:50 Fumi wrote:
On May 17 2010 10:35 SoManyDeadLings wrote:
God this music is absolutely terrible. I forced myself to listen to a whole min. of Holy Diver before I couldn't bare it any longer.

One less "artist" of this "music" in the world.

Even if you don't like his music, a person just died, grow up. I don't care if you're a troll, just...go away.


For once, I am not trolling.

His music is absolutely terrible. Sad that I am a person has died, I was merely expressing my distaste for such shitty tunes.


This thread is in no need of your ignorance.

On topic. I am very sad to see Dio pass away. Such a great vocalist and frontman.
R.I.P. Ronnie James Dio


On May 17 2010 16:14 Auronz wrote:

Seriously this guy should be banned... Fuck him!



I lol'ed hard in contempt and pity.

Just because an old musician dies there's no need to put him on a pedestal. Rachmaninoff died too, yet people are free to express their dislike for his music. If 50 Cent were to die in place of Ronnie today, I'm sure people would mourn for him and act with much hostility towards anyone who says anything negative about "Candy Shop", but you and I both know what a pitiful joke this "artist" really is.

I apologize for I am about to burst precious little bubbles, but only arrogant tone-deafs could so firmly believe others to be ignorant simply because they do not appreciate certain styles of "music".

Popular music in general has very little musicality in terms of harmony, dynamics, tonal variations and other musical elements. Heavy Metal is a bit better in this regard, as there are a few semi-decent songs that are bearable because they have been written by classical-turned-metal musicians but nonetheless, the genre overall still fits into the popular music category and what I have said applies 99.99% of the time. This is coming from someone who holds his ARCT performers in Piano so my neutrality is naturally questioned, but I listen to just about every style of music and occasionally enjoy the catchy hit songs, but ultimately popular music offers almost no musicality whatsoever.

Let's start with R.A.P. music, but since everyone already knows about the Retards Attempting Poetry, I rest my case.

Then there's J-K-C pop. Sure they arouse certain emotions and are interesting due to the often catchy melodies, but this only applies to the first 30 seconds of the songs heard. Just try and tell me how the ladies in Brown Eyed Girls are great musicians. Exceptions are always present, and the exception here is selected songs by the Chinese artist Jay Chou (#1 Pop artist in China); again, he is a capable classical pianist / cellist and employs an impressive variety of instruments in his songs.

Heavy metal, in general, puts a heavy emphasis on the speed of the music, mashes in a bunch of the simplest chords (the majority of power cords are merely just one interval, normally just the perfect fifth), employs hideously repetitive melodies and rhythms throughout entire songs and sings about the same and boring musical themes (often death, violence, and aggression).

It frustrates me when a certain upbring instills so much damage on one's ability to appreciate real music that they are blind-sighted into a such distasteful genres.

I'd like to throw in an analogy that a SC player could potentially empathize with. On TL you hear all the BW veterans crying about SC2 being dumbed down, while hordes of SC2 fanboys are there to lash out and defend Blizzard's new game. Why? If it's true that SC2 has been dumbed down so much, then why do people still enjoy it? Why would Blizzard implement the changes in the first place? The answer is simple; Blizzard chose to make SC2 more accessible to new players, sacrificing depth for increased revenue but in the end, people who never played BW would become accustomed to the SC2 mechanics and have a very hard time playing and enjoying BW. They would still enjoy SC2 immensely, however oblivious to all the map control concept, multitasking and sexy micro that defined BW. A similar story holds true for Popular Music vs. Classical Music. Sure Popular Music has been dumbed down immensely, but people who have never had proper musical training still enjoy popular songs despite being unaware of all the truly amazing aspects of Classical Music. The trend has only become worse and worse through time, with increasingly dumbed down songs gaining more and more popularity. To illustrate, the first search result on youtube for "Tik Tok" has a view count of over 20 million, in unfortunate comparison to the first hit for "Beethoven's 5th Symphony" which returns a meager result of under 1 million view count. Hell, there are more Tik Tok parodies on youtube than all the renditions of the 5th Symphony combined. Popular "Music" is no longer music, but rather carefully engineered sound waves designed solely to alter the listener's emotion by means of controversial themes and catchy but terribly repetitive melody/rhythm. Add flashy music videos, ridiculous stage choreography, and auto-tune for recent songs.

I guess my point is that the vast majority of popular music will not stand the test of time. People still listen to classical music hundreds of years old, just as how dedicated BW players still play a 12-year old game simply because both aforementioned things are fucking amazing. Yet, out of my somewhat impressive friend circle, I know NO ONE that still listen to older metal music, but I do know a friend who deleted his entire K-pop collection because he was “tired of this shit”. Think people will still listen to Genie or Holy Diver 200 years from now on? It is a possibility, but one that I’m willing to bet my life against.

“Leave me alone, I know my taste is shitty but it’s what I enjoy, so fuck off”. Quote the posts defending SC2 and half the posts in the K-pop discussion thread. Well, just as it would take time and effort to learn and properly appreciate BW, the same thing applies perfectly for Classical Music.

Pure Awesomeness

Listen to the piece in its entirety and maybe even the other movements, then if your brain jizzes in euphoria due to the overwhelming harmonies, dynamic contrasts, mood variations and heavenly melodies, then there may be hope music’s future after all.
wsrgry
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
May 17 2010 11:05 GMT
#2
I think you're missing the issue here. The issue isn't what you reckon the best music is, or the best way to masturbate or if watching TV at a certain angle makes shit better.

You simply brought some bullshit that wasn't necessary in a thread about someone's recent death, and you got called out on it. Sometimes you just need to keep your opinions to yourself.
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
May 17 2010 11:10 GMT
#3
classical music is best. I listen to it almost every day.
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
May 17 2010 11:12 GMT
#4
You dont have a clue what you are talking about when you talk about heavy metal, dio or this community. Just nullified your whole post with a few idiotic statements.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2606 Posts
May 17 2010 11:14 GMT
#5
lolz, I only listen to classical music while i'm studying.... helps me concentrate... i think. but besides that, i love any other genre of more. sorry = (
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9056 Posts
May 17 2010 11:16 GMT
#6
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad.
Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 11:20:35
May 17 2010 11:17 GMT
#7
LOL you say real music and then link to beethoven. So you are saying that just because people listen to it 200 years later, then it is by default better than other music? Anything you have to have "training" in order to like is not automatically better than something else. I could make the most pointlessly complicated game that requires years of study to even understand what to do, and that doesn't make it awesome. If nobody studied classical music, would it still be so "great"? Would it even be listened to? Besides, modern songwriter's goals aren't nearly the same as classical composers. If beethoven wrote lyrics to his symphonies, and sang them himself, would his music have the same effect nowadays?
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/274906/1/Blaze/
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
May 17 2010 11:19 GMT
#8
heavy metal is great

i really couldnt give a fig if its not musically advanced or repetition or what not, i just want something to sound good, not something to study
HEY MEYT
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1692 Posts
May 17 2010 11:22 GMT
#9
Honestly, no one cares if you don't like the music, you don't need to start some blog to try to defend yourself when clearly you were wrong.

Thread says, XXXX musician has died. Many people reply with they are sad. You decide to post about how his music is terrible, and

"One less 'artist' of this 'music' in the world."
People tell you to grow up and get out of the thread.

Then you try to make a blog about how the music sucks while trying to defend yourself (no one probably bothered reading about it anyway)?
Tal
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United Kingdom1018 Posts
May 17 2010 11:22 GMT
#10
Most of your respondents will flame you (and with some good cause), and won't even except your fundamental premise (that classical music is far richer then other styles).

Having got more and more into classical myself, I think you are right - by most benchmarks, it is simply superior. The starting point for a classical composer is an orchestra of masters and a absolute understanding of music itself. The starting point for a rock musician is 'I'd quite like to be in a band, and I can play some songs well''. I could go on...

However, despite me agreeing with your premise, I still think you're an idiot. Firstly, despite it's simplicity, there is still a lot of brilliance in non-classical music. There are many moments on a led zeppelin/radiohead/bob dylan/miles davis record which you simply do not find in classical music, and which are well worth hearing.
It's also easier to share experiences with non-classical music. To listen to a classical piece properly, you need to focus in a way you can't often do with friends. It's also much harder to discuss classical with people who don't have a lot of specialist knowledge.

Most importantly, even if you were right that non-classical is worthless, that's no excuse for posting in the Dio RIP thread like that. Do you really think the best place to make your ill-advised stand is in a thread mourning a dead singer?

Also, even if you don't like his music, his impact on rock culture was huge, and he had an undeniably unique voice. I'm not personally a fan of most of his work, but I can see he deserves respect.
It is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you will be when you can't help it.
Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
May 17 2010 11:22 GMT
#11
As someone who listens to both classical music (a lot of it, with a passion) and heavy metal, I regretfully inform you that your opinion is wrong.

I kind of agreed with your point until you said Jay Chou was legit. I lol'ed. What, because he used to play classical piano and cello, it automatically makes him "better?" Terrible, terrible damage.
Awooo...
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
May 17 2010 11:24 GMT
#12
This is actually the worst blog I've ever seen.

First of all, you're completely distasteful about a man who has just died and who is obviously well liked by a large amount of people here. You insult him when it is completely unnecessary. I don't care how true it is, you keep that stuff to yourself because it is a horrible thing to say. It serves no purpose.

Then you go on to complain about what is wrong with different genres of music. You can't see past your own view of what you enjoy about music. It's completely ignorant. People like music for different reasons. I listen to/watch k-pop because the girls are hot and the songs are fun. Does that mean I can't enjoy prog rock? No.

You're trying to objectively argue that some music is bad. You can't do that. You can only do that if you set up some completely arbitrary features to judge it on, and therefore your argument completely falls down.

Try and see things from other people's perspectives instead of just judging everything by your set of rules, which hold no more merit than anyone else's.
BW4Life!
eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
May 17 2010 11:24 GMT
#13
i fucking hate metal but some of my friends love it, but i'm not gonna put down their taste in music because i don't like it... cos in all seriousness what would i get out of that?
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1692 Posts
May 17 2010 11:25 GMT
#14
At this point, I believe his troll account does deserve a ban.
hoppipolla
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia782 Posts
May 17 2010 11:27 GMT
#15
Seriously can't you just accept some people have different tastes to you? Just because you listen to classical music doesn't make you better than someone who enjoys pop music.
"It's not acceptable"
VarmVaffel
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway378 Posts
May 17 2010 11:27 GMT
#16
On May 17 2010 20:05 snotboogie wrote:
I think you're missing the issue here. The issue isn't what you reckon the best music is, or the best way to masturbate or if watching TV at a certain angle makes shit better.

You simply brought some bullshit that wasn't necessary in a thread about someone's recent death, and you got called out on it. Sometimes you just need to keep your opinions to yourself.

This, exactly this.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
May 17 2010 11:28 GMT
#17
This is all opinionated.

Learn what an opinion is. No music is superior because different people enjoy different things.
Just like how you probably think receiving anal sex is absolutely inferior to giving anal sex, although some guys tend to disagree. You can't tell them they are wrong because they enjoy something different.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
May 17 2010 11:28 GMT
#18
As much as i agree with you that Rap/hip hop music is trash you have no right to speak of someone who recently died like that, even though i didn't listen to Dio there are people who did and are mourning him.
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany419 Posts
May 17 2010 11:29 GMT
#19
beethoven is the pop of classic ~~
eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
May 17 2010 11:30 GMT
#20
On May 17 2010 20:28 SCC-Faust wrote:
This is all opinionated.

Learn what an opinion is. No music is superior because different people enjoy different things.
Just like how you probably think receiving anal sex is absolutely inferior to giving anal sex, although some guys tend to disagree. You can't tell them they are wrong because they enjoy something different.

wtf LOL
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19:00
Weekly #150 (SHIN Mod Edition)
herO vs ClassicLIVE!
ByuN vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings123
SHIN 62
CranKy Ducklings SOOP52
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 250
OGKoka 240
mouzHeroMarine 237
SHIN 62
MindelVK 14
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 60039
Calm 9920
Rain 2814
FanTaSy 1195
soO 1014
BeSt 1008
Bisu 615
Stork 389
Soulkey 358
Soma 240
[ Show more ]
firebathero 208
Rush 197
Last 142
Mind 75
Pusan 70
Light 70
Snow 67
ToSsGirL 60
Sexy 55
Shinee 47
Sharp 40
hero 33
Killer 32
Mong 27
Trap 25
Hm[arnc] 20
yabsab 19
Sacsri 16
HiyA 16
sorry 16
zelot 16
Shine 15
Terrorterran 12
Free 11
Noble 10
IntoTheRainbow 7
scan(afreeca) 6
Sea.KH 6
Dota 2
Gorgc7460
League of Legends
Reynor71
Counter-Strike
byalli689
x6flipin235
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King84
Other Games
gofns30983
singsing1985
Pyrionflax245
Chillindude12
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV240
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 59
• Gemini_19 5
• Dystopia_ 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV408
League of Legends
• Jankos3102
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
3h 53m
BSL Open Qualifier
7h 53m
BSL Open Qualifier
7h 53m
OSC
11h 53m
OSC
1d
WardiTV Weekly
1d 23h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Online Event
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.