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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
July 09 2009 06:50 GMT
#21
On July 09 2009 15:28 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 14:43 p4NDemik wrote:
On July 09 2009 14:16 JWD wrote:
Jaedong's loss is pretty easy to explain if you consider its effect on Flash's OSL Ro8 hopes.

Everyone is saying this. I don't see it. Jaedong has never been one to shy away from the more difficult opponent/lose games intentionally.

I don't understand this at all either

First JD fans say Flash will be easy pickings because his ZvT is terrible and not S-Class
But now they say JD will drop a game because Flash is a threat so JD dropped on purpose

seriously guys

Huh, I have seen it way more from non JD fans like JWD.

This almost reminds me of JD vs Lomo. -_-

Anyway, Yarnc goes 12pool with hat in main. JD went 9pool but scouted wrong with ovie while Yarnc scouted right. JD's first few mutas get hit by scourge so he is forced to retreat. Then, it's just 2hat vs 1hat of muta/scourge production plus weakened mutas so JD can't really engage Yarnc or it is suicide. Yarnc also sends some lings to JD's main so if JD engages them then Yarnc's mutas pick off his drones.

I don't understand this "dropping game intentionally" either. JD was just in a really hard place all game that he couldn't come back from. (although he has made miracles many times in zvz before)
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Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
July 09 2009 07:04 GMT
#22
The entire game was practically an uphill fight for JD. He was behind from the very beginning when he sent his Overlord in the wrong direction while Yarnc scouted correctly, then his 9 pool failed to do any damage to Yarnc's 12 pool, then Yarnc got another Hatchery up in his main and his greater production of Mutalisk/Scourge overwhelmed JD.

It was a pure build order loss. If you really think JD would prefer dropping himself to tiebreakers and risk being eliminated to safely advancing 3-0, you should probably get your head checked along with JWD.
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skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 07:07:27
July 09 2009 07:07 GMT
#23
how is it a surprise that backho lost? no one is able to fuck up with more grandeur and consistancy than him.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6184 Posts
July 09 2009 07:07 GMT
#24
On July 09 2009 15:42 konadora wrote:
[image loading]

Poll: Who are more blind?
(Vote): Bisu fanboys
(Vote): Jaedong fanboys


this poll is rigged. just another "which player you like more"-poll.
Murdoink
Profile Joined March 2009
Chile1219 Posts
July 09 2009 07:13 GMT
#25
I got 0/4 in liquibet last night, ouch
SNARF HWAITING
Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 07:28:53
July 09 2009 07:25 GMT
#26
Jaedong's loss is easily explained in that it was complete and utter build order domination by Yarnc. He blind countered Jaedong's build pretty much perfectly, and while yarnc may not be the best ZvZ out there, he's probably top 5, and that's enough to beat even Jaedong with that massive of a build + scouting advantage.

Both of Bisu's losses this OSL have come against people innovating against him. Zero and go.go both payed him a high compliment in my opinion by coming up with and pulling out special shit in the group stages to knock him off. Ok, Zero's isn't that special - I'm sure we've all thought about using Queens to snipe HTs before - but it just hasn't been done in pro games to speak of.

BackHo is fail at PvZ yeah, and Leta's game against Kwanro was totally irrelevant (Kwanro was out and Leta was D1 regardless of the outcome) so he probably didn't both practicing much for it and is focusing on Hite's Proleague games.

Yes, I'd consider all 4 games upsets. None is horrendously surprising or an indication that the world is ending.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
July 09 2009 07:51 GMT
#27
On July 09 2009 15:43 Smix wrote:
Savior fanboys

SO TRUE

I love it when he loses just so his fanboys cry.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
ForSC2
Profile Joined June 2009
United States580 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 07:56:33
July 09 2009 07:56 GMT
#28
On July 09 2009 15:43 Smix wrote:
Savior fanboys

Seriously.

Btw I'm a Savior Fanboy ``
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2883#comic
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
July 09 2009 08:23 GMT
#29
On July 09 2009 15:42 konadora wrote:
[image loading]

Poll: Who are more blind?
(Vote): Bisu fanboys
(Vote): Jaedong fanboys



are you insinuating that one type of fanboy is less blind than the other? because, no
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Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
July 09 2009 09:12 GMT
#30
On July 09 2009 14:17 epicdoom wrote:
Lets see...

+ Show Spoiler +

Leta cheesed
Bisu is slumping
PvZ is backho's worse matchup
Yellow got lucky (seriously, after the game I couldn't tell if Yellow lost or won I think he was surprised too)




those are some bad explanations
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Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
July 09 2009 09:56 GMT
#31
I totally picked type b for my LB Hi five?
< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
July 09 2009 10:02 GMT
#32
On July 09 2009 14:55 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 14:43 p4NDemik wrote:
On July 09 2009 14:16 JWD wrote:
Jaedong's loss is pretty easy to explain if you consider its effect on Flash's OSL Ro8 hopes.

Everyone is saying this. I don't see it. Jaedong has never been one to shy away from the more difficult opponent/lose games intentionally.

That and now he's in a tie-breaker. :/


Yeah, guys saying he dropped it on purpose are just plain dumb. I mean, JD is never afraid to meet anyone, I mean he did pick effort for his group, and as you say, he is now in a tiebreaker, instead of just moving on and have less games (which would make sense since he is constantly talking about he's tired of having so many games to play).
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Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
July 09 2009 10:15 GMT
#33
type b was always a favorite and leta has always failed

can't explain the other two

2/4 lb ftw?
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
July 09 2009 11:53 GMT
#34
On July 09 2009 15:46 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Your poll indicates that more JD fanboys saw it.

Bisu's fanboys dont really care anymore believe me
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 09 2009 12:08 GMT
#35
Jaedong has dropped games in the Ro16 before in really sloppy fashion (im talking about vs GGplay from the all zerg group in Batoo, it was a game that didn't matter). I think he threw the game tbh =/
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FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
July 09 2009 12:48 GMT
#36
On July 09 2009 15:42 konadora wrote:
[image loading]

Poll: Who are more blind?
(Vote): Bisu fanboys
(Vote): Jaedong fanboys


Both =P
Storm Zerg fans rulz

The guys cannot lose? they dont have 100% you know?
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 09 2009 13:25 GMT
#37
On July 09 2009 16:13 Murdoink wrote:
I got 0/4 in liquibet last night, ouch


Yeah haha, me too man.
All the favorites lost.

I can't understand why Leta thought going for a bunker rush would be a good idea. So far people who have tried bunker rushes are like 0-5 or something ridiculous in the individual leagues. I'm guessing he thought Kwanro would have practiced for 2port wraith and would just use the same strat as Jaedong to smash him but he didn't take Kwanro's aggressiveness into account.

jaedong's loss was obvious as to why he threw it away and zero is way better than people think.
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