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Canada2653 Posts
June 09 2009 01:48 GMT
#1
I didn't think it was worth its own thread in Broodwar, since someone can probably answer it pretty quick and that will be that. With no furthur ado;

Does anyone know if racepicking or playing random is legal in Korean leagues? Players never do it, of course, but I wonder if it's a KeSPA rule that players have to pick a race and register with it, or what exactly the rule is.

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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
June 09 2009 01:49 GMT
#2
they have to go with the race that they're scheduled to play. They can't just go into the game lobby and be like "oh you know what I think I'm gonna play Terran instead."
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
June 09 2009 01:52 GMT
#3
which isn't to say they have to play the same race, savior swapped to terran vs. gorush once
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 09 2009 01:53 GMT
#4
The just have to announce what race they are going to play the week before. Thats the only restriction.

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Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
June 09 2009 01:53 GMT
#5
A player can pick any race for a tourny, but it has to be before the tournament started and they can't play that race in any other leagues if they were already playing their main race in them.
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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
June 09 2009 02:08 GMT
#6
On June 09 2009 10:53 Dgtl wrote:
A player can pick any race for a tourny, but it has to be before the tournament started and they can't play that race in any other leagues if they were already playing their main race in them.


In the tournament that Plexa linked, Savior told kespa beforehand that only in the case if he was to play versus GoRush in their group (Jangbi v Savior, Shine v Gorush) he would be playing Terran. He played all other games as Zerg.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 09 2009 02:14 GMT
#7
On June 09 2009 10:53 Dgtl wrote:
A player can pick any race for a tourny, but it has to be before the tournament started and they can't play that race in any other leagues if they were already playing their main race in them.


I've seen the first part before (i.e you can pick Zerg, Terran, Protoss or Random for a specific match, as long as you give one week's notice), but I've never see the second part you posted. Do you have a source for it?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
June 09 2009 02:19 GMT
#8
On June 09 2009 10:53 Dgtl wrote:
A player can pick any race for a tourny, but it has to be before the tournament started and they can't play that race in any other leagues if they were already playing their main race in them.

No this is incorrect. The only criterion for changing race is they have to alert KeSPA one week prior to the match - in Proleague, MSL or OSL. This is so the other players have enough time to practice for this change.
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tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 02:25:00
June 09 2009 02:24 GMT
#9
On June 09 2009 11:14 fusionsdf wrote:
(i.e you can pick Zerg, Terran, Protoss or Random for a specific match,


Are you sure he can say he picks random and then uses random ?
Don't they have to pick one of the 3 races ?
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
June 09 2009 02:53 GMT
#10
No, they can pick random. Happened a lot in 2v2's (to get ZZ vs XX)
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
June 09 2009 03:14 GMT
#11
On June 09 2009 11:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
No, they can pick random. Happened a lot in 2v2's (to get ZZ vs XX)

Mhmm. They only allow 1 Zerg per team in 2v2's. Therefore people just go ZRvsXX, with a 1/3 chance to get 2 Z's
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
June 09 2009 03:35 GMT
#12
Yeah, that's what i meant :p
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 09 2009 04:06 GMT
#13
On June 09 2009 12:14 Grobyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 11:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
No, they can pick random. Happened a lot in 2v2's (to get ZZ vs XX)

Mhmm. They only allow 1 Zerg per team in 2v2's. Therefore people just go ZRvsXX, with a 1/3 chance to get 2 Z's


although interestingly, its not a 1/3rd chance (I think it ended up being 1/6? I havent seen that topic in a while)
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
June 09 2009 04:06 GMT
#14
Shit that was some fucking sick play by (Z)GoRush haha.

First time I've seen ensnare used in ZvT and one of the few times I've seen ensnare used effectively too lol
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 04:23:41
June 09 2009 04:23 GMT
#15
On June 09 2009 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 12:14 Grobyc wrote:
On June 09 2009 11:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
No, they can pick random. Happened a lot in 2v2's (to get ZZ vs XX)

Mhmm. They only allow 1 Zerg per team in 2v2's. Therefore people just go ZRvsXX, with a 1/3 chance to get 2 Z's


although interestingly, its not a 1/3rd chance (I think it ended up being 1/6? I havent seen that topic in a while)


I thought that was just if both people went Random, 1/27 chance of getting ZZ
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Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
June 09 2009 04:35 GMT
#16
On June 09 2009 13:23 Rotodyne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:
On June 09 2009 12:14 Grobyc wrote:
On June 09 2009 11:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
No, they can pick random. Happened a lot in 2v2's (to get ZZ vs XX)

Mhmm. They only allow 1 Zerg per team in 2v2's. Therefore people just go ZRvsXX, with a 1/3 chance to get 2 Z's


although interestingly, its not a 1/3rd chance (I think it ended up being 1/6? I havent seen that topic in a while)


I thought that was just if both people went Random, 1/27 chance of getting ZZ


If both people go random, there is 1/9 chance of getting ZZ. ;-)
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 04:43:22
June 09 2009 04:42 GMT
#17
Actually theres not. The random race generator in starcraft isnt truely random. It seems to try and even out the different races. If your playing a ZR vs ZP for example, there are already 2 zergs in the game and the random generator will be biased towards terran and protoss.

There was a thread a while ago about this.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 09 2009 04:45 GMT
#18
I remember the week buildup and anticipation of Savior playing as TERRAN in that TV match a few years back. It felt so wrong watching him playing as Terran. hehe.
ForTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States556 Posts
June 09 2009 04:45 GMT
#19
On June 09 2009 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 12:14 Grobyc wrote:
On June 09 2009 11:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
No, they can pick random. Happened a lot in 2v2's (to get ZZ vs XX)

Mhmm. They only allow 1 Zerg per team in 2v2's. Therefore people just go ZRvsXX, with a 1/3 chance to get 2 Z's


although interestingly, its not a 1/3rd chance (I think it ended up being 1/6? I havent seen that topic in a while)


It would be a 1/6th probability to get ZZ if BOTH players went random. However, with one going Z and the other random the probability reduces to 1/3.

Possibilities for RR vs XXX:

ZZ vs XX       TT vs XX
ZT vs XX       TP vs XX
ZP vs XX       PP vs XX

Only 3 possibilities for ZR vs XX:

ZZ vs XX
ZT vs XX
ZP vs XX

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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
June 09 2009 04:55 GMT
#20
On June 09 2009 13:45 For_The_Swarm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:
On June 09 2009 12:14 Grobyc wrote:
On June 09 2009 11:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
No, they can pick random. Happened a lot in 2v2's (to get ZZ vs XX)

Mhmm. They only allow 1 Zerg per team in 2v2's. Therefore people just go ZRvsXX, with a 1/3 chance to get 2 Z's


although interestingly, its not a 1/3rd chance (I think it ended up being 1/6? I havent seen that topic in a while)


It would be a 1/6th probability to get ZZ if BOTH players went random. However, with one going Z and the other random the probability reduces to 1/3.

Possibilities for RR vs XXX:

ZZ vs XX       TT vs XX
ZT vs XX       TP vs XX
ZP vs XX       PP vs XX


+

TZ vs XX
PZ vs XX
PT vs XX

1/9
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 05:09:44
June 09 2009 05:09 GMT
#21
On June 09 2009 13:45 For_The_Swarm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:
On June 09 2009 12:14 Grobyc wrote:
On June 09 2009 11:53 IntoTheWow wrote:
No, they can pick random. Happened a lot in 2v2's (to get ZZ vs XX)

Mhmm. They only allow 1 Zerg per team in 2v2's. Therefore people just go ZRvsXX, with a 1/3 chance to get 2 Z's


although interestingly, its not a 1/3rd chance (I think it ended up being 1/6? I havent seen that topic in a while)


It would be a 1/6th probability to get ZZ if BOTH players went random. However, with one going Z and the other random the probability reduces to 1/3.

Possibilities for RR vs XXX:

ZZ vs XX       TT vs XX
ZT vs XX       TP vs XX
ZP vs XX       PP vs XX

Only 3 possibilities for ZR vs XX:

ZZ vs XX
ZT vs XX
ZP vs XX


even if the random generator was completely random do u noe how probability works? u would get 1/3 for one Z and 1/3 for another which makes it 1/9 (= 1/3 * 1/3)
ggyo...
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
June 09 2009 05:27 GMT
#22
You're operating under assumption that the random-race thingy for Starcraft is actually random. It probably isn't.

Fusion's probably right.
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ero
Profile Joined April 2009
United States66 Posts
June 09 2009 05:28 GMT
#23
On June 09 2009 13:45 For_The_Swarm wrote:It would be a 1/6th probability to get ZZ if BOTH players went random. However, with one going Z and the other random the probability reduces to 1/3.

Possibilities for RR vs XXX:

ZZ vs XX       TT vs XX
ZT vs XX       TP vs XX
ZP vs XX       PP vs XX

Only 3 possibilities for ZR vs XX:

ZZ vs XX
ZT vs XX
ZP vs XX



fail lol
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
June 09 2009 07:28 GMT
#24
Wasn't there also a TvZ where july picked terran on some nuetral building map and did an epic 7 sunken break with MnM ? i made a gif for it.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 09 2009 07:57 GMT
#25
That was July that picked T against a Z...I don't remember who the Zerg was, but I do believe the map was Araknoid or Neo Araknoid.

This is interesting, though. I didn't think the players had any obligation to stick to a particular race; I thought they could pick whatever they wanted on the spot...lol. I imagined the only thing barring them was the competitive climate which begged for them to play with their best at their best for every game.
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 08:12:02
June 09 2009 08:10 GMT
#26
On June 09 2009 16:57 PH wrote:
That was July that picked T against a Z...I don't remember who the Zerg was, but I do believe the map was Araknoid or Neo Araknoid.

This is interesting, though. I didn't think the players had any obligation to stick to a particular race; I thought they could pick whatever they wanted on the spot...lol. I imagined the only thing barring them was the competitive climate which begged for them to play with their best at their best for every game.

July vs Chojja on Neo Guillotine
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/1128_ChoJJa_vs_July
there actually is a vod out there somewhere, it's just not in tlpd yet

I remember someone said that there used to be an old rule about races (like you couldn't use the same race twice in a row or something?)

blabberrrrr
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 09 2009 09:49 GMT
#27
Someone posted in BroodWar a while back with that VOD, so yeah, it's definitely out there.

That was a sick move that July did...oh man.
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