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Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
April 23 2009 03:17 GMT
#21
Ha, interesting stuff. Lemonwalrus, I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question. In fact, the whole point of doing these kinds of experiments are to try to answer your question.

Anyways, the article makes it seem like the technology is there. Now it's just an ethical issue. Do you really want to create a 'brain', with no sensory organs living in complete darkness? Imagine that, a brain... no eyes, no touch, nothing... just thought and eventual madness no doubt. And how would we even know the brain was conscious it couldn't express itself. Personally, I think consciousness can be mapped, I just think it's a bit more complex than just recreating a brain.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 23 2009 03:17 GMT
#22
On April 23 2009 12:06 ahrara_ wrote:
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On April 23 2009 11:55 travis wrote:
On April 23 2009 11:51 ahrara_ wrote:
On April 23 2009 11:50 travis wrote:
On April 23 2009 11:43 ahrara_ wrote:
wouldn't a sufficiently accurate simulation capture the emergent properties of the brain?


not to say it wouldn't, but if the simulation isn't organic then why would it ?

uh, because you can simulate organic behavior?


maybe I misinterpreted you.

by "emergent properties", did you mean consciousness or properties of consciousness?
or did you mean something else?

i meant behavior that emerges in the synthesis of a bunch of components, but is not apparent in the individual components. for example, individual brain cells are incapable of higher thought, but when you throw a bunch of them together, they began exhibiting new kinds of behavior as a collective.

i wasn't talking about any existentialist/spiritual stuff.


ah, my bad.

well anyways from what I understand the project is hoping for some sort of consciousness to emerge, eventually.

I still am not even sure I understand the project. The simulation is entirely software based? Like, it's just information?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24700 Posts
April 23 2009 03:18 GMT
#23
I really don't hope for a consciousness. That is a very dark domain. I merely hope for a highly accurate digital model of animal/human bodies for the advancement of science/medicine.
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Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
April 23 2009 03:20 GMT
#24
Anyways, we see this kind of holistic stuff all the time - the sum of the parts are greater than the individual components. You see it in networks, in biological systems, in consciousness. I think it's within our grasp to promote true consciousness arising independently in a system. However, I also think that will probably lead to some epic shit in the future. Maybe I read too much sci -fi
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
April 23 2009 03:23 GMT
#25
On April 23 2009 11:44 deathgod6 wrote:
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On April 23 2009 11:38 Try wrote:
That's pretty fucking tight. However, I fail to see how this would benefit human society.

Have you ever seen any SciFi movies with artificial intelligence?

You mean like the Matrix, Battlestar Galactica, Terminator, 2001: A space odyssey... yeah I think I'll stick to natural intelligence.

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I don't really think any of the things in those movies could happen. It will be quite impossible to create an artificial brain for a very very long time if ever.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
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Last Edited: 2009-04-23 03:27:34
April 23 2009 03:24 GMT
#26
I have another question too. The brain isn't solely digital right? It is analog as well?

Are they not worried about that?



well I guess if the program was complex enough to match the molecular structure of an entire brain it could simulate analog signals as well?
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
April 23 2009 03:44 GMT
#27
On April 23 2009 12:07 SayaSP wrote:
Make it play starcraft

We already have enough mindless "drones" and macro bots. See what I did there?
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shmay
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States1091 Posts
April 23 2009 07:17 GMT
#28
On April 23 2009 12:24 travis wrote:
I have another question too. The brain isn't solely digital right? It is analog as well?

Are they not worried about that?



well I guess if the program was complex enough to match the molecular structure of an entire brain it could simulate analog signals as well?


Yeah, the brain is (i believe) analog, and we would have to find a way to simulate it on our digital computers.

Check out Ray Kurzweil's The Singularity is Near if you're interested in the science of AI
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
April 23 2009 07:41 GMT
#29
I would love to see a simulation of an entire human brain...just to throw something else out there for the current mind/body philosophers to eat up and spew out another generation's worth of books and essays. The possibilities that could arise...hmm.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 23 2009 08:10 GMT
#30
On April 23 2009 16:17 shmay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2009 12:24 travis wrote:
I have another question too. The brain isn't solely digital right? It is analog as well?

Are they not worried about that?



well I guess if the program was complex enough to match the molecular structure of an entire brain it could simulate analog signals as well?


Yeah, the brain is (i believe) analog, and we would have to find a way to simulate it on our digital computers.

Check out Ray Kurzweil's The Singularity is Near if you're interested in the science of AI


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