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oh i just realized another thing that bothered me about air
+ Show Spoiler +misuzu wasn't developed well enough to make me become attached to her, i mean okay she liked dinosaurs and she was cursed by the past, but there's nothing really appealing to her own personality except some generic moe. obviously, this is partially due to the fact that she really can't make friends and pursue drives under the constraints of the curse itself, but like... it made it hard for me to become attached to her. i think the part that was supposed to be touching wasn't her condition itself but the way yukito and haruko tried to overcome it, but yukito only delays the inevitable/breaks the curse then becomes a crow (???) and haruko only connects with her for what, half an episode before she dies... wasn't really tear jerking for me, meh
also when i say clannad made me cry the most, it wasn't only from the depressing tone, there were some happy/bittersweet moments with + Show Spoiler + that made me baww hard
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I have to disagree with you konadora. Clannad was the worst in terms of emotional 'pull,' I thoroughly enjoyed it more for that beginning-slice-of-life-easy-going-humor. The jokes were absolutely hysterical. I could not relate with the characters at all, and I felt like that whole Tomoya and his father dilemma was too shallow. Air on the other hand, you have focus on that one girl and her + Show Spoiler +miserable plight into losing recognition of her mother's face, and the fact that the only person that she had as a 'friend' disappeared from her life
On May 13 2009 15:07 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:oh i just realized another thing that bothered me about air + Show Spoiler +misuzu wasn't developed well enough to make me become attached to her, i mean okay she liked dinosaurs and she was cursed by the past, but there's nothing really appealing to her own personality except some generic moe. obviously, this is partially due to the fact that she really can't make friends and pursue drives under the constraints of the curse itself, but like... it made it hard for me to become attached to her. i think the part that was supposed to be touching wasn't her condition itself but the way yukito and haruko tried to overcome it, but yukito only delays the inevitable/breaks the curse then becomes a crow (???) and haruko only connects with her for what, half an episode before she dies... wasn't really tear jerking for me, meh also when i say clannad made me cry the most, it wasn't only from the depressing tone, there were some happy/bittersweet moments with + Show Spoiler + that made me baww hard
Yeah I have to agree with you 100% about the generic moe, lol. I'm a sucker for those things I guess... I thought that whole dinosaur gao thing was cute as hell.
I don't know, that whole solitary theme really made me feel for her.
About her mom...yeah she really only connects at the late-stages but I liked the fact that her character went from that tough mom nothing-will-go-wrong sort of personality to someone who feels helpless and wants to make up for neglecting her child.
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man, the tomoya and his father dilemma was one of the most relatable story elements in any of the key stories for me
edit: i also definitely related to tomoya more than yukito or yuuichi
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I say Clannad was better than Kanon because of the issues that Clannad brought up, as well as how well it delivered - facing life's struggles, getting together through shaky relationships, troubles within the family, etc.
The characters in Air and the first Kanon had really horrible faces.
On the other hand, Nagisa was <3
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Don't like down syndrome? 
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On May 13 2009 15:39 Zooey wrote:Don't like down syndrome?
its not exactly that, but i do have a little thing for existent chins :3
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hello friends!!! i watch "Higashi no Eden" (that's JAPANESE for "Eden of the East"!)
and I also watch "BARUKURIA KURONIKUROSU" (thats JAPANESE again for "Valkyrie Chapters"), my favorite character is faurido he's such a hunk :dreamyeyes:
i like japanese anime!!
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pano's just like that
ever since that fateful night with charliemurphy... and his apartment wall..
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Where are you playing a translated version of Clannad Tuna?!?! Or do you read Japanese?!
I demand to know this. Was also thinking of playing Fate/Stay Night game as well.
Kanon and Clannad / After Story are beautiful & awesome. And yeah, the tears will come. If they have another project coming, I'm really looking forward to it.
Thanks for the spoiler tags by the way. I didn't get around to watching air (I intend to) and am really happy I didn't get spoiled. =]
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On May 13 2009 17:20 MYM.Testie wrote:
Where are you playing a translated version of Clannad Tuna?!?! Or do you read Japanese?!
I demand to know this. Was also thinking of playing Fate/Stay Night game as well.
Kanon and Clannad / After Story are beautiful & awesome. And yeah, the tears will come. If they have another project coming, I'm really looking forward to it.
Thanks for the spoiler tags by the way. I didn't get around to watching air (I intend to) and am really happy I didn't get spoiled. =]
search for the full voice version of clannad, get it, install it by mounting the iso, replace the reallive.exe with the one here http://disk.iqho.com/mcncc.php?Mcncc=M-bnAndfTQhw (there's also translation patch support for the original voiceless version+voice patch, but since now there's a fullvoice version, i'd just get that instead)
then use get SEEN_FV_snapshot_20081220.rar from http://www.assembla.com/spaces/clannad/documents , unload everything in there into the clannad root folder except for the seen.txt file, use the more recent SEENr30_FV.TXT for that instead
after all that, everything should work and everything except the graphical settings menus should be in english
for reference, save looks like γ»γΌγ and load looks like γγΌγ
clannad is fucking huge though, without a walkthrough, it may take well over 200 hours to get to the true ending
(i can read/understand some japanese, but not nearly well enough to watch without subs. i figure if i did watch without subs for a few series, i'd pick up japanese much better, but its so much effort and takes away from the anime when you don't understand a significant amount of it =/)
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Just to add on,
γ―γ is 'Yes'
γγγ is 'No'
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On May 13 2009 15:04 konadora wrote:
Simply put, Air was shit.
Kanon was good
Clannad was goddess tier.
They need to make Little Busters into an anime though, I <3 Natsume Rin
Yes Rin, matatabi girl ftw.
To add onto what Tuna said, Clannad really takes forever if you don't 1, read fast, 2, use a walkthrough. Kyou route was impossible to find, Kotomi route pretty damned impossible too (You'd never figure out the random choices you need to make there on your own, I stumbled through three other routes before giving up, looking at a walkthrough, and screaming at the comp for how random that choice was). All the optional stuff like the baseball game and laser tag are immensely difficult without a walkthrough.
Or you can go ocd and start plotting out the flags yourself, I don't recommend that :p
About Key works, as I haven't actually played Kanon and Air, I can't say too much, but the issues that were brought up were much more interesting in Clannad, some parts of Kanon was good too, and Air...eh. I found them to be moving slowly back from the emotional realm and exploring deeper issues with each new work, consequently, I'd have to say that Little Busters > Clannad...if only Clannad didn't have Mei. Obviously need loli and more imouto-chara, you would never hear onii-chan from Rin, and Komorin didn't do much there either :p
On May 13 2009 17:20 MYM.Testie wrote:
Where are you playing a translated version of Clannad Tuna?!?! Or do you read Japanese?!
I demand to know this. Was also thinking of playing Fate/Stay Night game as well.
Kanon and Clannad / After Story are beautiful & awesome. And yeah, the tears will come. If they have another project coming, I'm really looking forward to it.
Thanks for the spoiler tags by the way. I didn't get around to watching air (I intend to) and am really happy I didn't get spoiled. =]
Tears will totally come at their next project, Leaf+Key and 7th Expansion+Key? Wohoo two titles filled with misery.
Don't bother with F/SN, Testie, if you are going to go through that, just go through Heaven's Feel. The other routes weren't bad, but oddly enough Sakura's is actually the best in spite of being such a sucky character. Hollow/Ataraxia is also excellent, but I have a thing for Karen.
On May 13 2009 18:00 konadora wrote:
Just to add on,
γ―γ is 'Yes'
γγγ is 'No'
Did Clannad had default save/load confirmations? Forgot, thought it didn't.
...I can probably just boot it up and see...EDIT - So it did.
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Clannad must have the longest gameplay IMO, took forever to complete a route =.="
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You think so? I though LB was longer, that had baseball and shooting mixed in though, so maybe pure adv parts weren't as long.
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Never played LB completely, couldn't find a complete patch (the last time I checked, it was only half done and on the verge of being abandoned)
Edit: I was playing LB: Ecstacy >
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On May 14 2009 01:29 konadora wrote:Never played LB completely, couldn't find a complete patch (the last time I checked, it was only half done and on the verge of being abandoned) Edit: I was playing LB: Ecstacy >
Aren't you fluent with Japanese anyway, lol. I read it fine off just years of undergrad study.
And I need to suck it up and go through Ecstacy properly, been putting that off forever.
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On May 14 2009 01:38 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2009 01:29 konadora wrote:Never played LB completely, couldn't find a complete patch (the last time I checked, it was only half done and on the verge of being abandoned) Edit: I was playing LB: Ecstacy > Aren't you fluent with Japanese anyway, lol. I read it fine off just years of undergrad study. And I need to suck it up and go through Ecstacy properly, been putting that off forever.
It took too long to read through everything and I got lazy :<
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