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You can't 4 pool in a clan war

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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
March 09 2009 04:56 GMT
#1
I never would have thought it, but a clan mate of mine learned the hard way that you can't 4 pool during a clan war:

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I wasn't around when that game finished, but the other player (SCC-Complexity) actually played a re and raped him pvp rofl.

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Poll: 4 pool during a clan war
(Vote): Is perfectly acceptable
(Vote): If you do it you are a fag but you are allowed to
(Vote): You shouldn't be allowed to do it

I can't wait for this guy to come out of hiding with some amazing revelation like in Here's my tip for "things to stop doing #1" LOL

Brewing drama is fun!

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H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-09 04:59:18
March 09 2009 04:58 GMT
#2
what a sore loser.
"okay guys, clan war. remember, NR20, no nukes, and NO CARRIERS."

also shit I'd have voted for the "you're a fag but it's still okay" option if I'd looked closer
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
March 09 2009 05:03 GMT
#3
lol "bm" that's a good one.
blabberrrrr
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-09 05:06:17
March 09 2009 05:05 GMT
#4
no air and no long-ranged units!!
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
March 09 2009 05:07 GMT
#5
wtf
bad manner
you cant make a blog about whether or not you can 5pool in cw
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
March 09 2009 05:08 GMT
#6
haha, it looks like this Protoss spent more time complaining about the 4pool than he did defending it
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MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
March 09 2009 05:08 GMT
#7
lol
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
March 09 2009 05:10 GMT
#8
Yeah he's a sore loser. Besides, if pro gamers can do it on a live televised game, so can others
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8093 Posts
March 09 2009 05:12 GMT
#9
On March 09 2009 14:07 sixghost wrote:
wtf
bad manner
you cant make a blog about whether or not you can 5pool in cw



lol
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Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
March 09 2009 05:21 GMT
#10
lol, good job
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
March 09 2009 05:26 GMT
#11
lol, this is retarded. ANY build should be allowed.
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
March 09 2009 05:26 GMT
#12
It's still perfectly acceptable regardless of whether or not your a fag for doing so.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
March 09 2009 05:31 GMT
#13
Yeah, Blizzard should totally increase the minerals needed for a spawning pool to mullify this instawin strategy.
Jaedong
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51443 Posts
March 09 2009 05:32 GMT
#14
lol

july 4pools like 10% of the time.
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inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
March 09 2009 05:33 GMT
#15
UNSTOPPABLE@!!
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
March 09 2009 05:34 GMT
#16
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html
what a scrub
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 09 2009 05:35 GMT
#17
It is sorta BM, but I don't really see why it should be 'forbidden' . There is no logical sense in the fact that you'll come off as a fag to the enemy clan, but it will probably happen.
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
March 09 2009 05:38 GMT
#18
That guy needs to grow a ..

whoops
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LeperKahn
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Romania1838 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-09 05:42:51
March 09 2009 05:39 GMT
#19
That is absolutely ridiculous. 4 pool is just a super early all in build. Might as well say no all-in 5 hatch hydra break because if you don't scout it it's imba.

On March 09 2009 14:31 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, Blizzard should totally increase the minerals needed for a spawning pool to mullify this instawin strategy.


Love it~
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Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
March 09 2009 05:50 GMT
#20
I think the answer to this is obvious.

+ Show Spoiler +
You can't just 4 pool and run away with a win.


Dude.


Not in a clan war.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
March 09 2009 05:52 GMT
#21
I also claimed that you don't 5 pool in friendly games and Hot_Bid just laughed at me
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mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
March 09 2009 05:53 GMT
#22
I imagine this was Bisu's reaction to Luxury 5 pooling him
fonger
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United Kingdom1218 Posts
March 09 2009 05:58 GMT
#23
man, polls with one completely unvoted option are just too tempting

sorry guys
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
March 09 2009 05:58 GMT
#24
On March 09 2009 14:52 Carnac wrote:
I also claimed that you don't 5 pool in friendly games and Hot_Bid just laughed at me


1st ranked iccup game last season

me vs nintu

nintu 4 pools
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 09 2009 06:12 GMT
#25
lol...that guy is retarded.
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ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
March 09 2009 06:12 GMT
#26
dude

u can't talk in a cw except for saying gg

bm

talking = lose

zzzz
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1a2a3aGG
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States225 Posts
March 09 2009 06:14 GMT
#27
I would agree you shouldn't do it, a cw is about finding out whose a better team...

Granted cheese win is still a win no matter how you look at it I.E. Why didn't the other guy stop it correctly.

But IMO is perfectly accepted but frowned upon.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
March 09 2009 06:16 GMT
#28
On March 09 2009 15:14 1a2a3aGG wrote:
I would agree you shouldn't do it, a cw is about finding out whose a better team...

Granted cheese win is still a win no matter how you look at it I.E. Why didn't the other guy stop it correctly.

But IMO is perfectly accepted but frowned upon.

I think if you have an unwritten agreement that nobody should 4 pool, then that changes the strategies that people will use. For example, if I know the zerg won't 4 pool then I can just nexus before forge without scouting which is a huge advantage.
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cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
March 09 2009 06:20 GMT
#29
if i cant 5 pool, then you cant proxy 8 rax bitches.
ok but seriously, id only ever 5 pool vs protoss, scvs are too imba for me.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 09 2009 06:38 GMT
#30
5pool on Medusa is a pretty popular opening for ZvP. That guy's just a sore loser. He saw the 5pool coming, for god's sake.
Ellis
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
247 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-09 06:44:32
March 09 2009 06:43 GMT
#31
No matter what a stripper tells you, there is no 4pool in the cw room.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
March 09 2009 06:44 GMT
#32
hahaha
my first iccup game of the season: 5 pooled.

i guess it's acceptable, although it can be very irritating sometimes
Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3323 Posts
March 09 2009 07:27 GMT
#33
I don't like 5 pool but I don't think its BM.
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
March 09 2009 07:37 GMT
#34
it's worse when you're playing your friend in the same room, and he turns around to see which spawn location you're at before 5pooling
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
March 09 2009 07:53 GMT
#35
On March 09 2009 15:16 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2009 15:14 1a2a3aGG wrote:
I would agree you shouldn't do it, a cw is about finding out whose a better team...

Granted cheese win is still a win no matter how you look at it I.E. Why didn't the other guy stop it correctly.

But IMO is perfectly accepted but frowned upon.

I think if you have an unwritten agreement that nobody should 4 pool, then that changes the strategies that people will use. For example, if I know the zerg won't 4 pool then I can just nexus before forge without scouting which is a huge advantage.

Erh you can? O_o

Wouldnt that get raped by 9 pool?
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 09 2009 08:10 GMT
#36
In a NAL CW vs a korean team, BO1 style I 5 pooled and won. (It was very late at night).
The koreans all agreed immediately after the game ended that it was not allowed and told me to rematch.
So in some CW's apparently it isn't allowed!
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
March 09 2009 08:17 GMT
#37
On March 09 2009 17:10 MYM.Testie wrote:
In a NAL CW vs a korean team, BO1 style I 5 pooled and won. (It was very late at night).
The koreans all agreed immediately after the game ended that it was not allowed and told me to rematch.
So in some CW's apparently it isn't allowed!

did you win or lose the rematch
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-09 08:28:28
March 09 2009 08:24 GMT
#38
On March 09 2009 15:16 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2009 15:14 1a2a3aGG wrote:
I would agree you shouldn't do it, a cw is about finding out whose a better team...

Granted cheese win is still a win no matter how you look at it I.E. Why didn't the other guy stop it correctly.

But IMO is perfectly accepted but frowned upon.

I think if you have an unwritten agreement that nobody should 4 pool, then that changes the strategies that people will use. For example, if I know the zerg won't 4 pool then I can just nexus before forge without scouting which is a huge advantage.

i don't think it would have any effect on what strategies people will use. when people play, they don't really keep the possibility of a 4 pool in the back of their heads and play accordingly. even if they do, how would that change their build in any way? a protoss player would never go nexus before forge just because he knows the zerg won't 4 pool, considering a 9 pool build can still own it. 11 forge is pretty much the standard nowadays. i suppose i can think of a couple extremely minor things, but none of those would make a difference in the game. i don't think any of them could ever give you an advantage, let alone a huge one.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
March 09 2009 10:33 GMT
#39
On March 09 2009 17:24 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2009 15:16 micronesia wrote:
On March 09 2009 15:14 1a2a3aGG wrote:
I would agree you shouldn't do it, a cw is about finding out whose a better team...

Granted cheese win is still a win no matter how you look at it I.E. Why didn't the other guy stop it correctly.

But IMO is perfectly accepted but frowned upon.

I think if you have an unwritten agreement that nobody should 4 pool, then that changes the strategies that people will use. For example, if I know the zerg won't 4 pool then I can just nexus before forge without scouting which is a huge advantage.

i don't think it would have any effect on what strategies people will use. when people play, they don't really keep the possibility of a 4 pool in the back of their heads and play accordingly. even if they do, how would that change their build in any way? a protoss player would never go nexus before forge just because he knows the zerg won't 4 pool, considering a 9 pool build can still own it. 11 forge is pretty much the standard nowadays. i suppose i can think of a couple extremely minor things, but none of those would make a difference in the game. i don't think any of them could ever give you an advantage, let alone a huge one.

Yeah the forge example was bad now that you guys mention it, but I think it can still be more major than you are making it out to be.
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-09 11:26:56
March 09 2009 10:42 GMT
#40
Just another build, nothing to cry about.
and that guy who said that is probably <15 years old.
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Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
March 09 2009 11:03 GMT
#41
... >15 years old means he's more than 15 years old?
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
March 09 2009 11:27 GMT
#42
On March 09 2009 20:03 Funnytoss wrote:
... >15 years old means he's more than 15 years old?

just woke up, sorry.
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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
March 09 2009 12:25 GMT
#43
There's nothing wrong with a 5pool. It's a viable strategy and one that the opponent should be ready for. Luxury does it all the time, he did it against Leta recently and he did it against Bisu before in the vod where combat-ex kept saying "i can't believe that bisu couldn't block the zerglings".
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
March 09 2009 12:41 GMT
#44
Even in friendly games with clan mates I do 5 pool. It's a nice ZvP opening.
I've been 4/5 pooled many times in CWs, I don't think I've ever lost to it.

Choice of build is not bm at all compared to some stuff I've experienced in CWs.
Such as:
- changing race on countdown
- being called fag/gay/noob/abuser/newb
- continuing to play in a clearly lost game then leaving without gg
- pausing the game, chatting to an observer in a foreign language then randomly resuming
- blaming some technical problem to restart the game when they didn't get the desired starting position
- refusing to play on a map in the map-pool because they don't know it
- after losing the first game, complain about lag and try to get player switched
- being in the same channel as clan X-17
No I'm never serious.
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
March 09 2009 12:51 GMT
#45
CLAN WAR RULES AND REGULATIONS

by. Angry SC Nerds


Introduction:
To play a clan war is to be privileged that you are actually participating in a team event in which your sole goal is to win your part so that you can earn higher ranking among your peers and be better known thus having more privileges. You do not want to lose a clan was as you will also lose credibility among your clanmantes and probably be excluded of future events based on your suckness. That's why you joined the clan in the first place, to be in a place where you can hang around with other people and get a name/reputation which you can then use to fulfill your mind about the fact that you're on top of the world

Rules:
When participating in a clan war, the following rules and regulations apply no matter what the circumstances:
1. You can't 4 pool your opponent; it's bm as this can grant you an easy win over your opponent regardless of skill level.
2. You can't proxy 2 rax; we had to find an equivalent to 4 pooling for Terran because then that would make it sound like Zerg is imba (which it is)
3. You can't cannon rush; same shit again, cheesing is for bm noobs because this gives you a free win; don't you get it? Making 6 cannons right next to your opponents' minerals where he can see them is insta win for you because he sees them and tries to kill them with all workers but cannons too strong and die.
4. You can't go carriers; they're too easy to use and very cheap, 3 carriers is insta win for you and it's bm because your opponent cant do anything about it; pros do it because theyre on another different level and they don't suck major balls like all the gosu foreigners do; don't you get it? Foreigners will never beat koreans period.
5. You can't go nukes, they take too short time to build and before you finish your 2nd unit he already is nuking your main and all you read is "<yourname> has been eliminated;" this is usually followed by a smash of your face onto the wall and your mom calling you from downstairs asking if you're having seizures again.
6. You can't manner pylon; they're too strong and delay your minerals too much to an insta lose; specially at our level of play (I got D last season!!! w00t!!!) where we need every single mineral we can get to perfectly execute our preplanned builds. It's bm.
7. You can't disconnect, because loss will show up in record and nobody will be ever able to know who won the game. Please understand that we don't have the balls to defend ourselves and explain who disconnected, we just go to the channel and when everybody asks you just say "I unno o.o"
8. You can't make stimpack; marines are too damn strong like they are already and zerg players cant stop; it's imba.
9. You can't make tanks; they have biggest range in game and kill everything with 70 damage shot with splash and kill everything around. This is imba because kills our sunkens and dragoons dont get close, stop it please, it's BM
10. You can't make mines; they're too imba and burrow himselves down the ground. Deal 200 damange and run faster than ling, theyre invincible too because never cna kill them when they get close. Tank kills goons easy and mines kills zealot easy its imba please stop it, please stop, it's bm ok?

Conclusion:
Before going to clanwar please pledge allengiance to this book and swear oath to it for ever when you play a clan war. We don't care if you don't follow these rules in other clan wars, but against us please follow or we report you ok? Last time they banned an entire group because we said, easy as that, so please fear our threats and never do that again or we report ezpz. Stop playing like noobs already, grab your balls and play straight like men, like us, it's about time you guys stop making such gay shit and abuse race imbalance. Thank you.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
March 09 2009 13:05 GMT
#46
WOW you put a bit of effort into that post, didn't you?
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statix
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States1760 Posts
March 09 2009 13:12 GMT
#47
oh hahaha i didnt think youd actually post this

+1 internet points
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 09 2009 16:23 GMT
#48
4 pool is lame. Arguing that 4 pool is bm is worse. Take it as a man.
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0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-09 18:21:10
March 09 2009 18:19 GMT
#49
If you follow every advice from every retard, you can't do anything anymore because anything could be interpreted as being gay. Not only your build order, unit choice, tactics or style of playing - even the race you're playing, and the map.
And besides, if you win even once you were obviously lucky or hacking or abusing, and if you lose even once you're obviously a worthless noob.
So yeah posting this shit is "kind of" funny but really, just play 2 hours on bnet and you'll have at least 3 games with that kind of retards in it.
In short: nothing to see here, move along.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
March 09 2009 18:46 GMT
#50
On March 10 2009 03:19 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
If you follow every advice from every retard, you can't do anything anymore because anything could be interpreted as being gay. Not only your build order, unit choice, tactics or style of playing - even the race you're playing, and the map.
And besides, if you win even once you were obviously lucky or hacking or abusing, and if you lose even once you're obviously a worthless noob.
So yeah posting this shit is "kind of" funny but really, just play 2 hours on bnet and you'll have at least 3 games with that kind of retards in it.
In short: nothing to see here, move along.

True, but it's fun when it will piss off an opposing clan to expose their bm and foolishness.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
March 10 2009 00:49 GMT
#51
On March 09 2009 19:33 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2009 17:24 OneOther wrote:
On March 09 2009 15:16 micronesia wrote:
On March 09 2009 15:14 1a2a3aGG wrote:
I would agree you shouldn't do it, a cw is about finding out whose a better team...

Granted cheese win is still a win no matter how you look at it I.E. Why didn't the other guy stop it correctly.

But IMO is perfectly accepted but frowned upon.

I think if you have an unwritten agreement that nobody should 4 pool, then that changes the strategies that people will use. For example, if I know the zerg won't 4 pool then I can just nexus before forge without scouting which is a huge advantage.

i don't think it would have any effect on what strategies people will use. when people play, they don't really keep the possibility of a 4 pool in the back of their heads and play accordingly. even if they do, how would that change their build in any way? a protoss player would never go nexus before forge just because he knows the zerg won't 4 pool, considering a 9 pool build can still own it. 11 forge is pretty much the standard nowadays. i suppose i can think of a couple extremely minor things, but none of those would make a difference in the game. i don't think any of them could ever give you an advantage, let alone a huge one.

Yeah the forge example was bad now that you guys mention it, but I think it can still be more major than you are making it out to be.

like what?
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-10 01:18:18
March 10 2009 01:18 GMT
#52
What kind of monster doesn't abide by the NR15 rule in a clan war?

I swear to god .... this community.....
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
March 10 2009 01:38 GMT
#53
On March 10 2009 09:49 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2009 19:33 micronesia wrote:
On March 09 2009 17:24 OneOther wrote:
On March 09 2009 15:16 micronesia wrote:
On March 09 2009 15:14 1a2a3aGG wrote:
I would agree you shouldn't do it, a cw is about finding out whose a better team...

Granted cheese win is still a win no matter how you look at it I.E. Why didn't the other guy stop it correctly.

But IMO is perfectly accepted but frowned upon.

I think if you have an unwritten agreement that nobody should 4 pool, then that changes the strategies that people will use. For example, if I know the zerg won't 4 pool then I can just nexus before forge without scouting which is a huge advantage.

i don't think it would have any effect on what strategies people will use. when people play, they don't really keep the possibility of a 4 pool in the back of their heads and play accordingly. even if they do, how would that change their build in any way? a protoss player would never go nexus before forge just because he knows the zerg won't 4 pool, considering a 9 pool build can still own it. 11 forge is pretty much the standard nowadays. i suppose i can think of a couple extremely minor things, but none of those would make a difference in the game. i don't think any of them could ever give you an advantage, let alone a huge one.

Yeah the forge example was bad now that you guys mention it, but I think it can still be more major than you are making it out to be.

like what?

I'm not good enough to play differently according to whether or not 4 pool is on the table (as compared to say 9 pool) so I can't give you a specific example. But of the millions of possible ways to play, I'm sure there are some adjustments that would be made if <9 pool was somehow off the table (that's what, 10-20 seconds of additional time to prepare for lings?)
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Noobville17921 Posts
March 10 2009 01:59 GMT
#54
his gateway IT WAS ONE SECOND FROM FINISHING
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Romania1838 Posts
March 10 2009 02:02 GMT
#55
On March 10 2009 10:59 arb wrote:
his gateway IT WAS ONE SECOND FROM FINISHING


hahaha

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Profile Joined November 2008
United States357 Posts
March 10 2009 05:55 GMT
#56
On March 09 2009 15:20 cujo2k wrote:
if i cant 5 pool, then you cant proxy 8 rax bitches.
ok but seriously, id only ever 5 pool vs protoss, scvs are too imba for me.

5pool then proxy hatchery in his main -> sunk rush
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
March 10 2009 06:19 GMT
#57
On March 10 2009 09:49 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2009 19:33 micronesia wrote:
On March 09 2009 17:24 OneOther wrote:
On March 09 2009 15:16 micronesia wrote:
On March 09 2009 15:14 1a2a3aGG wrote:
I would agree you shouldn't do it, a cw is about finding out whose a better team...

Granted cheese win is still a win no matter how you look at it I.E. Why didn't the other guy stop it correctly.

But IMO is perfectly accepted but frowned upon.

I think if you have an unwritten agreement that nobody should 4 pool, then that changes the strategies that people will use. For example, if I know the zerg won't 4 pool then I can just nexus before forge without scouting which is a huge advantage.

i don't think it would have any effect on what strategies people will use. when people play, they don't really keep the possibility of a 4 pool in the back of their heads and play accordingly. even if they do, how would that change their build in any way? a protoss player would never go nexus before forge just because he knows the zerg won't 4 pool, considering a 9 pool build can still own it. 11 forge is pretty much the standard nowadays. i suppose i can think of a couple extremely minor things, but none of those would make a difference in the game. i don't think any of them could ever give you an advantage, let alone a huge one.

Yeah the forge example was bad now that you guys mention it, but I think it can still be more major than you are making it out to be.

like what?

People would 12 pool way more in ZvZ.
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omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
March 10 2009 06:50 GMT
#58
On March 09 2009 14:39 LeperKahn wrote:
That is absolutely ridiculous. 4 pool is just a super early all in build. Might as well say no all-in 5 hatch hydra break because if you don't scout it it's imba.

Show nested quote +
On March 09 2009 14:31 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, Blizzard should totally increase the minerals needed for a spawning pool to mullify this instawin strategy.


Love it~



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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 10 2009 08:24 GMT
#59
I agree, you can't 4 pool. Its stupid.

You have to play 5 pool-__-; Its as fast + you have more eco T_T!
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Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
March 10 2009 09:26 GMT
#60
Maybe if it were a "clan pillow fight," then I could see 4pool considered bm. Or if it's just for fun.

But it's a clanWAR dude.

Whoever said that is just making up for their own inadequacy at BW.

Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
March 10 2009 10:32 GMT
#61
That guy clearly doesn't know the rule about not fagging out when someone cheeses you in a cw, it's simply not allowed, bm.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
March 10 2009 17:52 GMT
#62
First time I played sc, I heard 4 pool was imba, so I made 4 spawning pools while making drones
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Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 10 2009 18:30 GMT
#63
On March 09 2009 17:17 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2009 17:10 MYM.Testie wrote:
In a NAL CW vs a korean team, BO1 style I 5 pooled and won. (It was very late at night).
The koreans all agreed immediately after the game ended that it was not allowed and told me to rematch.
So in some CW's apparently it isn't allowed!

did you win or lose the rematch


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Canada3083 Posts
March 10 2009 21:31 GMT
#64
On March 10 2009 10:38 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2009 09:49 OneOther wrote:
On March 09 2009 19:33 micronesia wrote:
On March 09 2009 17:24 OneOther wrote:
On March 09 2009 15:16 micronesia wrote:
On March 09 2009 15:14 1a2a3aGG wrote:
I would agree you shouldn't do it, a cw is about finding out whose a better team...

Granted cheese win is still a win no matter how you look at it I.E. Why didn't the other guy stop it correctly.

But IMO is perfectly accepted but frowned upon.

I think if you have an unwritten agreement that nobody should 4 pool, then that changes the strategies that people will use. For example, if I know the zerg won't 4 pool then I can just nexus before forge without scouting which is a huge advantage.

i don't think it would have any effect on what strategies people will use. when people play, they don't really keep the possibility of a 4 pool in the back of their heads and play accordingly. even if they do, how would that change their build in any way? a protoss player would never go nexus before forge just because he knows the zerg won't 4 pool, considering a 9 pool build can still own it. 11 forge is pretty much the standard nowadays. i suppose i can think of a couple extremely minor things, but none of those would make a difference in the game. i don't think any of them could ever give you an advantage, let alone a huge one.

Yeah the forge example was bad now that you guys mention it, but I think it can still be more major than you are making it out to be.

like what?

I'm not good enough to play differently according to whether or not 4 pool is on the table (as compared to say 9 pool) so I can't give you a specific example. But of the millions of possible ways to play, I'm sure there are some adjustments that would be made if <9 pool was somehow off the table (that's what, 10-20 seconds of additional time to prepare for lings?)


I forge at 10, so in case they do a 5 or 6 pool, my cannons finish ASAP. If I knew they couldn't/wouldn't do that, I'd probably put my forge down at 11 or 12. It's like a four second difference
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
March 10 2009 21:33 GMT
#65
I remember I think Jju? was the first one to do this on TV.

Outrage ensued.
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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
March 13 2009 10:13 GMT
#66
4 pool is acceptable yet gay.
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roadrunner_sc
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-13 11:08:23
March 13 2009 11:08 GMT
#67
On March 09 2009 13:56 micronesia wrote:
If you do it you are a fag but you are allowed to


This.

Of course you can do it.
But you're a fag.

Haha this reminds me of that time jju 4/5 pooled Reach on RH3 back in that proleague ace match a looooong time ago. I still remember the positions and Reach's reaction to this day.

Here we are expecting some mass-storm-mass-maelstorm-plague-ensnare-epic-hour-long-pvz reminiscence of Reach vs Chojja.
And then the fucker puts down a pool.

Fuck you jju.
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 13 2009 11:26 GMT
#68
There's actually a 5-pool build thats not all in ;p! But I probably shouldn't explain it since all Zergs would do it then lol-_-
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
March 13 2009 11:58 GMT
#69
100% acceptable.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
March 13 2009 14:06 GMT
#70
On March 13 2009 20:26 G.s)NarutO wrote:
There's actually a 5-pool build thats not all in ;p! But I probably shouldn't explain it since all Zergs would do it then lol-_-


oh dude pm that and ill so use it on iccup D people
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
March 13 2009 14:39 GMT
#71
On March 13 2009 20:26 G.s)NarutO wrote:
There's actually a 5-pool build thats not all in ;p! But I probably shouldn't explain it since all Zergs would do it then lol-_-


The one July did?
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CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
March 13 2009 15:48 GMT
#72
as for korean amateur leagues such as e-kasa, barbara, and whatnot, they don't allow 4pool, BBS, and other proxy all-ins, because they want quality games out of each clan/guild.

i agree, i'd rather see standard games out of By, Shield, Sea and others.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 13 2009 22:18 GMT
#73
On March 13 2009 20:08 roadrunner_sc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2009 13:56 micronesia wrote:
If you do it you are a fag but you are allowed to


This.

Of course you can do it.
But you're a fag.

Haha this reminds me of that time jju 4/5 pooled Reach on RH3 back in that proleague ace match a looooong time ago. I still remember the positions and Reach's reaction to this day.

Here we are expecting some mass-storm-mass-maelstorm-plague-ensnare-epic-hour-long-pvz reminiscence of Reach vs Chojja.
And then the fucker puts down a pool.

Fuck you jju.

Do you have a link to that game?
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