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gheddo
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Germany28 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 19:32:54
January 09 2009 16:52 GMT
#1
Heyho,
I’d love to have somebody, or even better, a few guys who are very good(especially talking about B+ skill or maybe even better, though, B or even B- is still good^^) and like to bash me. If some would bother some coaching, even if it’s only telling me 3-4 lil details I could improve, it would be even better ofc… I know I prolly won't find what I'm looking for, but it's worth a try I guess and maybe even some forum advice can help me, too.

I play BW (Protoss) for a bit more than 2 years now, and at first I always seemed to improve quite steadily and fast. I played 1on1 noob, normal 1on1 public, the last days of Abyss I started playing there(D rank), 1st iccup season D+, 2nd C-, 3rd C, 4th C+. Everything ok so far.
I know, iccup rank isn’t = skill, and maybe I could get a higher rank with cheesing/abusing, but still it’s remarkable (and annoying :<) to be stuck on that rank for like half a year now. Imo there are 2 reasons for that, and ofc I’d like to change that.
First one is the “barrier'' between C+ and B-. I’m not an extraordinary fast player (130-160 apm) and what I’m usually good at is micro+game sense+maybe some quite good BOs.

At the same time, I often make stupid mistakes, like totally fucking up my macro or awful micro for one fight after having done a good job all game before and thereby lose all the advantage I had. I guess these weaknesses are just better exploited by higher skilled opponents who simply have superior mechanics.

The other point is training partners and motivation. I also liked to face players a lot better, rly, playing against A+ as D- guy would have been rly rly what I wanted, nowadays this hasn’t changed :p Ofc, it’s quite easy to find rly better opponents when you're not so good, so I had guys who mass gamed with me+trained me when I was D/D+/C-/C, whereas they were C+/B-. Unfortunately, as much as I like playing a lot better guys, I hate losing to guys around my skill level, no matter whether they’re if they're better or worse. I’m not getting bm then or w/e, but it just takes my motivation if I don’t win these games, especially on iccup, because I know I could do so much better.
Prolly a reason that rly made me think about my bw skill(and write this blog), is losing 3 CWs in a row, playing good at events like that had just become one of my strenghts and every time against an opponent I know I could beat if I played my best or close to it, so somehow, it even feels like my skill is going back(ok I’m pretty sure it’s not rly decreasing, just not there when I need it atm...).

Nvm, even if it’s a bit pussy style to complain about losing to guys @same skill level, I’m not emo crying about bw is imba or w/e, usually I just see that I lost because of my own mistakes, so don’t get a wrong impression here ^^


So, to sum it up for those who don’t want to read all the shit I’ve written:

1.How to fix these weaknesses, like always concentrating too much on micro and forget macro over it or somehow panic and as a cause lose all micro skills for one decisive fight?
I figured out more concentration would be good ofc, anything else that could help? And, HOW to concentrate better, it sounds good but I don’t rly know any tricks to achieve that.
Final one, HOW to improve mechanics and get faster?

2. How to get motivation for iccup/playing people I could lose to just because of badluck/1-2 faults even if I’m better/equal in general? How not to get frustrated(too much) and instead play at least 5 games, not go away and do something else after losing like 2?

3. Any “gosu” wanting to play with me? Send me pm in case, if you would also help me a bit after games, it’d be even better. Ofc people around my skill level/a bit better could msg me, too. Even if my motivation sometimes goes down, in general I’m active and happy about every good player to play with, who is as on my level. Still better than iccup

I’d be rly open to any sort of training, as I’m active+harsh critics don’t bother me as long as I think they help me. I once had one guy doing “flame train” with me, and in fact, it was really effective^^

P.S. I’m talking a lot about iccup ranks, and I know they aren’t all, but it’s just the skill measure I’ve “grown up” with so I use to refer to them, even though I often see guys not rly fitting their rank, e.g. B- with good stats losing quite badly to me or some other guy not being B- either, where it appears that they abused or cheesed to get that rank.

I hope to get some help, I’d rly appreciate even the slightest hint, any rly better player who could compete with me even off race could use it against me, as I know playing main race vs clearly worse player can be kinda boring, I don’t mind, eventhough main race would be best ofc^^
byebye

Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
January 09 2009 17:03 GMT
#2
I can't read that. Please format it and type it out properly if you expect effort back.
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
January 09 2009 17:11 GMT
#3
You can accomplish a lot of those goals by hanging out in op irc on iccup and playing/chatting with whoever is around
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
January 09 2009 18:06 GMT
#4
Why does the summary's length = that of the original context
gheddo
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Germany28 Posts
January 09 2009 19:05 GMT
#5
because short summary results in questions :p
Power[Xp]
Profile Joined July 2007
Netherlands64 Posts
January 09 2009 19:42 GMT
#6
Heey, I'm not gosu, so I can't practise with you, but I might give you some advise about those points you listed.
1. I think you pointed it out yourself, it has to do with concentration and as far as I know there are not a lot of tricks for that, although I did learn at school a long time ago that when you draw an ''8'' and draw it a lot of times over the same place and watch the middle of it, it is said to be good for your concentration.
2. Try not to be thinking about winning, remember, you learn more from losing than from winning.
Try to play standard on iCCup and use your best qualities, for example, I have a strong macro and multitasking, so I play a macro based build while trying to pressure my opponent.
If you lose, try to find out which mistakes you made in the game and focus harder on those aspects of the game in your next games.

Don't worry, I think there are plenty of gosus willing to teach you, since you're a skilled and cool guy
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