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[H] Calc Help - Antiderivatives:

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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 20 2008 08:22 GMT
#1
a) A car is traveling at 50 mi/h when the brakes are fully applied, producing a constant deceleration of 40 ft/s?
A car is traveling at 50 mi/h when the brakes are fully applied, producing a constant deceleration of 40 ft/s2. What is the distance covered before the car comes to a stop?

b) A car braked with constant dec. of 40 ft/s^2 and produced skid marks measuring 160 feet before coming to a stop. How fast was the car traveling when the brakes were first applied?

Okay, I'm not sure if I'm doing things right, but here goes my work.

The givens:
v = 50 mi/h
a = -40 ft/s^2 (because it is decelerating)

So, the first thing for me to do would be is to convert 50 mi/h into ft/s to get the correct units. So after dimensional analysis, I got: 73.33 ft/s.

Next, we know that dv/dt is the same thing as the acceleration. In our case, it is -40 ft/s^2.

So we use antiderivatives, and get v= -40t + c (this is after using antiderivatives). "c" here is a constant.

I do the same thing for the distance. dx/dt = -40t + c so I use antiderivatives again to get:

x= (-40t^2)/2 + c*t

Now, c, our constant can be found by substituting 0 in v=-40t+c. t = 0, velocity is 73.33, so c is 73.33

I'm CERTAIN that I use these formulas to solve the two problems. Correct me if I am wrong, because if I did this wrong, the whole problem is wrong.

So our two formulas are:

v = -40t + 73.33

and

x = -40t^2 / 2 + 73.33t

x is our distance while v is velocity.
I'm not sure what to do here because I thought for Part A, we solve for the time, then subsitute it in equation 2 to get the distance.

As for part B, we are given distance, so solve for time, and plug that value in Equation 1.

Is that right?
I think so, but I keep getting the wrong answer, I think they are wrong ><

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CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
November 20 2008 08:26 GMT
#2
answer: i suck at SC... very much
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 20 2008 08:27 GMT
#3
o hey
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STOP
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
November 20 2008 08:28 GMT
#4
so in general

v = at + initial v

x = 1/2 * at^2 + vt + C (which in this case is x initial)
which can also be written as
delta x = vt + 1/2at^2

remember in your case a is negative

so im just gonna do b
if delta x is 160 ft and a is -40 ft/s^2

160 = -20t^2 + vinitial*t
vfinal = 0 = vinitial - 40*t

two equations, two unknowns, solve

and i dont have a calculator or mathematica on this comp so im not gonna do it
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 20 2008 08:29 GMT
#5
yea the thing is that we cant use physics equations..we need to use antiderivatives :x
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-20 08:32:50
November 20 2008 08:32 GMT
#6
On November 20 2008 17:29 clazziquai wrote:
yea the thing is that we cant use physics equations..we need to use antiderivatives :x

i did use antiderivatives, everything was derived from

v = vinitial + at

integral(v dt) = integral((vinitial + at) dt)
x = vinitial*t + 1/2at^2 + C

that's where it comes from in the first place dontcha know
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 20 2008 08:33 GMT
#7
hm ok let me see what the f im doing wrong......:/
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12816 Posts
November 20 2008 08:36 GMT
#8
Integration Integration Integration!
When... You... Integrate, acceleration, you get the change of speed
When you Integrate, velocity, you get the change of distance
Make sure you add initial speed
Make sure u add initial distance
Then you have it all in the bagggggg
Integration, a good friend to meee
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-20 08:37:26
November 20 2008 08:36 GMT
#9
also raithed is a bitch

just had to say it

learn to not suck, faggot

EDIT: what a shitty fucking 3000th post dedicated to hwo much raithed sucks

oh well

it means he really really really sucks

assface cuntbag bitch go kill yourself if you're not already braindead, i can't really tell
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 20 2008 08:37 GMT
#10
ok SO my equations were right, now imma try this again.
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 20 2008 08:37 GMT
#11
Tuna, welcome to the Terran Ghost icon club!
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
November 20 2008 08:38 GMT
#12
On November 20 2008 17:37 clazziquai wrote:
Tuna, welcome to the Terran Ghost icon club!

bitch im switching races
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 20 2008 08:40 GMT
#13
LOL thanks dude.
I did have the equations, the biggest mistake I forgot to do was to set the final velocity equal to 0.

FFS IM I AN IDIOT

FUCK ME. Sorry for wasting your times goddamn -_-

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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
November 20 2008 08:41 GMT
#14
it's cool as long as you're not raithed

fuck that fucker seriously
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
November 20 2008 14:33 GMT
#15
Oh wow I've never heard of antiderivatives before, and I'm doing a degree in Maths.

But it appears to just be an integral?
No I'm never serious.
Chromyne
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada561 Posts
November 20 2008 15:09 GMT
#16
On November 20 2008 23:33 Nytefish wrote:
Oh wow I've never heard of antiderivatives before, and I'm doing a degree in Maths.

But it appears to just be an integral?


Yes, it is. And Clazziquai, you need to find a smart person in your class and make friends with that person.
Soli Deo gloria.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 20 2008 15:11 GMT
#17
On November 21 2008 00:09 Chromyne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2008 23:33 Nytefish wrote:
Oh wow I've never heard of antiderivatives before, and I'm doing a degree in Maths.

But it appears to just be an integral?


Yes, it is. And Clazziquai, you need to find a smart person in your class and make friends with that person.


haha why so??
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 20 2008 15:46 GMT
#18
I think that you've got a handle on it, don't worry about it clazziquai.
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 20 2008 16:16 GMT
#19
On November 21 2008 00:46 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
I think that you've got a handle on it, don't worry about it clazziquai.


I love you Ghostclaws
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Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
November 20 2008 20:28 GMT
#20
On November 21 2008 00:11 clazziquai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2008 00:09 Chromyne wrote:
On November 20 2008 23:33 Nytefish wrote:
Oh wow I've never heard of antiderivatives before, and I'm doing a degree in Maths.

But it appears to just be an integral?


Yes, it is. And Clazziquai, you need to find a smart person in your class and make friends with that person.


haha why so??

Fundamental theorem of calculus, anyone?
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