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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-28 11:07:40
October 28 2008 08:30 GMT
#1
It started as me being tired of A.Silva's antics. I could cope with him disrespecting Henderson after their match. I could cope with him saying he doesn't have to prove anything. But when this man who, mind you, doesnt have to prove anything pulled a Starnes in his latest match it was too much.

I posted on TeamLiquid forum complaining about all those facts. Immediately I was greeted by a horde of fanboys trying to prove to me that A.Silva is the second coming. The point that was taken especially personal was the fact that he has yet to prove anything. I was trying to point out that he is a champion of the weakest UFC division, which lacks most of Top10 fighters, and the only guy in MMA world that has really got nothing to prove- Fedor- is still trying to prove that he belongs in the history books. I was trying to point out that noone in not one single sport says that he hasnt got anything to prove after only 3 victories against top 10 fighters(Point of reference: Fedor has 4 over current 3 top 10 HW fighters, 1 over top 10 MW fighter, 3 wins over HWs who were top 10 at the time of their bout, and 2 wins over LHWs who were top 10 at the time of their bout).

On October 28 2008 12:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
Schumacher has won WC 7 times to go into the history books as the greatest.
Mayweather has 6 titles in 5 weightclasses, and has never been defeated, numerous fights against top 10 opponents.
Phelps has 14 golds and 7 world records, and he isnt done yet.
Lance Armstrong has won 7 Tour De France titles.
Fedor hasnt lost and has wins over 6 opponents who were ranked in top 10 at the time of the bout.
And hes not done yet.

Silva's name will be wiped off the all-time list in a matter of years. Is this really what proving everything you have to prove mean?


But apparently those werent facts:

On October 28 2008 12:00 statix wrote:
nearly all of your posts have been your own opinions. your only "statistics and facts" were the posting of how many top 10 fighters fedor has fought and who anderson silva should fight.


Well, here they are:

[image loading]

O=combined stats of all opponents
WW=Combined stats of all opponents defeated
LW=Combined stats of all opponents lost to
AO=Average Opponent
AOW=Average Opponent defeated
AOL=Average opponent lost to
TTO=Stats against top 10 opponents according to present Sherdog rankings. Because this is P4P, all weight classes are looked at.

Point of reference:
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Emelianenko 2:0 Nogueira
Emelianenko 1:0 Sylvia
Emelianenko 1:0 Lindland
Emelianenko 1:0 Filipovic

Silva 2:0 Franklin
Silva 1:0 Henderson
Silva 0:1 Okami
Silva 1:0 Marquardt

St.Pierre 1:1 Serra
St.Pierre 2:1 Hughes
St.Pierre 1:0 Fitch
St.Pierre 1:0 Koschek
St.Pierre 1:0 Penn
St.Pierre 1:0 Trigg
St.Pierre 1:0 Parisyan

Penn 1:0 Sherk
Penn 1:0 Stevenson
Penn 1:1 Hughes
Penn 0:1 St.Pierre
Penn 0:1 Machida
Penn 1:0 Gomi
Penn 1:0 Serra

Nogueira 0:2 Emelianenko
Nogueira 1:1 Barnett
Nogueira 1:0 Sylvia
Nogueira 1:0 Werdum
Nogueira 1:0 Crocop
Nogueira 1:1 Henderson

Gomi 0:1 Penn
Gomi 1:0 Mishima
Gomi 0:1 Hansen
Gomi 1:0 Kawajiri
Gomi 1:0 Ishida

Machida 1:0 Penn
Machida 1:0 Franklin
Machida 1:0 Sokoudjou

Rua 0:1 Griffin
Rua 2:0 Overeem
Rua 1:0 Jackson


All this data, that had to be organized somehow to put the end to this old-age argument. And what I came up was really quiet simple. I chose 4 criteria, and each of the fighters in question will get 8 through 1 points, with 8 being awarded to first, and 1 to last. Heres what i've got:

[image loading]


W% is Win percentage
QoOF is Quality of Opponents Faced- its judged using the O column of the first table.
ToOLt is Toughness of Opponents lost to- its judged using the AOL column of the first table.
TTO opponents is statistics against opponents that are currently placed in sherdog top 10 rankings.

I was just doing it for fun, but it shocked me how accurate those rankings turned out to be. Surely they are slanted somehow and surely Fedor isnt first, but lets make a few sane adjustments to the list, lets say we dont count Fedors loss to TK via illegal elbow. Fedor jumps into first with 26 points! Unfortunately i couldnt take that liberty as I was vigorously informed that

On October 28 2008 11:01 Zeller wrote:

You said Fedor never lost, that was false, I corrected it


On October 28 2008 12:06 JudgeMathis wrote:


Actually... Fedor does have a loss. :D Wiki is the best.



On October 28 2008 12:00 statix wrote:
he technically does have a loss...we all know that he would ahve won the fight had it not been for the cut but yes, its still a loss.


Great Success! Point proven, and backed up by facts as much as any P4P discussion can possibly be. I was correct, if Silva were to retire right now, he would not be included in history books as Mayweather Jr, Ali, Sugar Ray or even Klitschko brothers. Silva is #2 on P4P list because he has credit, credit for his amazing performances, his dismantling of opponents. We just naturally expect his next opponent to be dismantled in exactly the same way. Truth is- nobody knows. Just remember the wins Soku raked - Silvaeque destructions of top tenners Arona and Little Nog, before his magic bubble was burst. Truth is, if he were to quit now, in a couple of years time people like Mousasi, Penn, Gomi, Machida, Filho, Alvarez and many others will have records under they belt that eclipse anything Anderson ever did.

And for that reason i hope that whole retirement talk and dicking around is just a way to get away from the UFC and continue onto the path of destruction which hopefully will eventually lead to the king himself. Fedor Emelianenko.



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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
October 28 2008 09:04 GMT
#2
Oh this confused me, I thought you were really proud to be a master of mathematics or something.
No I'm never serious.
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-28 14:12:26
October 28 2008 14:12 GMT
#3
I've never said he was the best P4P. Dude, you're a troll. I'm not going to give you any more humor in being an idiot. :D Bye.

edit: by he, i mean silva. All I said was your boy has a loss. 29-1. Big deal, get over it.
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
October 28 2008 14:35 GMT
#4
On October 28 2008 23:12 JudgeMathis wrote:
I've never said he was the best P4P. Dude, you're a troll. I'm not going to give you any more humor in being an idiot. :D Bye.

edit: by he, i mean silva. All I said was your boy has a loss. 29-1. Big deal, get over it.

youre the one trolling
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 28 2008 18:42 GMT
#5
u gotta be pretty ignorant to think a loss due to an uncaught illegal move is actually a real loss lol.
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JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
October 28 2008 19:51 GMT
#6
On October 29 2008 03:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
u gotta be pretty ignorant to think a loss due to an uncaught illegal move is actually a real loss lol.


That's not the problem. On the other thread(UFC 90), I stated that we all know that it wasn't a loss, but its a technical loss on his record due to Fedor fighting in a tournament structure. He couldn't advance because of the cut on his eye, and that's why he got the loss (because of the illegal elbow). Noone is against that. But, if we had to be technical he still has a loss on his record because of it. That's where I was going with it.
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
October 28 2008 20:42 GMT
#7
On October 29 2008 04:51 JudgeMathis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2008 03:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
u gotta be pretty ignorant to think a loss due to an uncaught illegal move is actually a real loss lol.


That's not the problem. On the other thread(UFC 90), I stated that we all know that it wasn't a loss, but its a technical loss on his record due to Fedor fighting in a tournament structure. He couldn't advance because of the cut on his eye, and that's why he got the loss (because of the illegal elbow). Noone is against that. But, if we had to be technical he still has a loss on his record because of it. That's where I was going with it.

Not even close. You don't get a loss because you can't continue in a tournament. Look at the first 5 UFC's. If you won your fight and couldnt continue, they didnt give you a loss.

If the fight stops due to an illegal strike, its a No Contest. No ifs ands or buts. Nothing changes because its a tournament structure.
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statix
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States1760 Posts
October 28 2008 21:14 GMT
#8
youve probably been working on this since last night and i didnt read any of it after your first paragraph since the argument/thesis you presented was utterly retarded.

"It started as me being tired of A.Silva's antics. I could cope with him disrespecting Henderson after their match. I could cope with him saying he doesn't have to prove anything. But when this man who, mind you, doesnt have to prove anything pulled a Starnes in his latest match it was too much"

Did you see that Starnes fight? He didn't engage at all during the entire fight. It was a three round fight that went to decision. If silva had gone the full 5 rounds and not done anything at all then you could justify calling his performance Starnes-like. However, there were still two more rounds left. Is it really fair to judge his performance in two rounds that hes never been through? Silva has completely dominated a fair amount of the people hes faced in the first round. what the fuck? where do you get the balls to compare him to kalib starnes after one fight which was stopped at the beginning of the third round due to cote getting injured?

when did silva even say that he has nothing left to prove? please provide me with an interview or a transcript or something. every interview ive seen of him after the cote fight has shown him being extremely humble and gracious.
SCC-Caliban
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
October 28 2008 22:14 GMT
#9
On October 29 2008 03:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
u gotta be pretty ignorant to think a loss due to an uncaught illegal move is actually a real loss lol.


I'm actually curious as to why it is still considered a loss when it seems like there is a universal agreement that it isn't a loss.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
SiZ.FaNtAsY
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)1497 Posts
October 28 2008 23:56 GMT
#10
On October 29 2008 07:14 MYM.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2008 03:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
u gotta be pretty ignorant to think a loss due to an uncaught illegal move is actually a real loss lol.


I'm actually curious as to why it is still considered a loss when it seems like there is a universal agreement that it isn't a loss.


Beacuse it was a playoff thing, winner advances to next round.
A "No contest" could not be given since one person had to advance.
That's why Fedor was given the loss.
In any other fight, it would have been a "no contest"
Karma is a bitch
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
October 29 2008 07:07 GMT
#11
On October 29 2008 06:14 statix wrote:
youve probably been working on this since last night and i didnt read any of it after your first paragraph since the argument/thesis you presented was utterly retarded.

"It started as me being tired of A.Silva's antics. I could cope with him disrespecting Henderson after their match. I could cope with him saying he doesn't have to prove anything. But when this man who, mind you, doesnt have to prove anything pulled a Starnes in his latest match it was too much"

Did you see that Starnes fight? He didn't engage at all during the entire fight. It was a three round fight that went to decision. If silva had gone the full 5 rounds and not done anything at all then you could justify calling his performance Starnes-like. However, there were still two more rounds left. Is it really fair to judge his performance in two rounds that hes never been through? Silva has completely dominated a fair amount of the people hes faced in the first round. what the fuck? where do you get the balls to compare him to kalib starnes after one fight which was stopped at the beginning of the third round due to cote getting injured?

when did silva even say that he has nothing left to prove? please provide me with an interview or a transcript or something. every interview ive seen of him after the cote fight has shown him being extremely humble and gracious.

I made it to entertain myself, not you sir.
I just thought other MMA freaks would enjoy the numbers as well.
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