EPTI posted on TeamLiquid forum complaining about all those facts. Immediately I was greeted by a horde of fanboys trying to prove to me that A.Silva is the second coming. The point that was taken especially personal was the fact that he has yet to prove anything. I was trying to point out that he is a champion of the weakest UFC division, which lacks most of Top10 fighters, and the only guy in MMA world that has really got nothing to prove- Fedor- is still trying to prove that he belongs in the history books. I was trying to point out that noone in not one single sport says that he hasnt got anything to prove after only 3 victories against top 10 fighters(Point of reference: Fedor has 4 over current 3 top 10 HW fighters, 1 over top 10 MW fighter, 3 wins over HWs who were top 10 at the time of their bout, and 2 wins over LHWs who were top 10 at the time of their bout).
On October 28 2008 12:01 Sfydjklm wrote:
Schumacher has won WC 7 times to go into the history books as the greatest.
Mayweather has 6 titles in 5 weightclasses, and has never been defeated, numerous fights against top 10 opponents.
Phelps has 14 golds and 7 world records, and he isnt done yet.
Lance Armstrong has won 7 Tour De France titles.
Fedor hasnt lost and has wins over 6 opponents who were ranked in top 10 at the time of the bout.
And hes not done yet.
Silva's name will be wiped off the all-time list in a matter of years. Is this really what proving everything you have to prove mean?
Schumacher has won WC 7 times to go into the history books as the greatest.
Mayweather has 6 titles in 5 weightclasses, and has never been defeated, numerous fights against top 10 opponents.
Phelps has 14 golds and 7 world records, and he isnt done yet.
Lance Armstrong has won 7 Tour De France titles.
Fedor hasnt lost and has wins over 6 opponents who were ranked in top 10 at the time of the bout.
And hes not done yet.
Silva's name will be wiped off the all-time list in a matter of years. Is this really what proving everything you have to prove mean?
But apparently those werent facts:
On October 28 2008 12:00 statix wrote:
nearly all of your posts have been your own opinions. your only "statistics and facts" were the posting of how many top 10 fighters fedor has fought and who anderson silva should fight.
nearly all of your posts have been your own opinions. your only "statistics and facts" were the posting of how many top 10 fighters fedor has fought and who anderson silva should fight.
Well, here they are:
![[image loading]](http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/pppp7/MMAth-1.jpg)
O=combined stats of all opponents
WW=Combined stats of all opponents defeated
LW=Combined stats of all opponents lost to
AO=Average Opponent
AOW=Average Opponent defeated
AOL=Average opponent lost to
TTO=Stats against top 10 opponents according to present Sherdog rankings. Because this is P4P, all weight classes are looked at.
Point of reference:
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Emelianenko 2:0 Nogueira
Emelianenko 1:0 Sylvia
Emelianenko 1:0 Lindland
Emelianenko 1:0 Filipovic
Silva 2:0 Franklin
Silva 1:0 Henderson
Silva 0:1 Okami
Silva 1:0 Marquardt
St.Pierre 1:1 Serra
St.Pierre 2:1 Hughes
St.Pierre 1:0 Fitch
St.Pierre 1:0 Koschek
St.Pierre 1:0 Penn
St.Pierre 1:0 Trigg
St.Pierre 1:0 Parisyan
Penn 1:0 Sherk
Penn 1:0 Stevenson
Penn 1:1 Hughes
Penn 0:1 St.Pierre
Penn 0:1 Machida
Penn 1:0 Gomi
Penn 1:0 Serra
Nogueira 0:2 Emelianenko
Nogueira 1:1 Barnett
Nogueira 1:0 Sylvia
Nogueira 1:0 Werdum
Nogueira 1:0 Crocop
Nogueira 1:1 Henderson
Gomi 0:1 Penn
Gomi 1:0 Mishima
Gomi 0:1 Hansen
Gomi 1:0 Kawajiri
Gomi 1:0 Ishida
Machida 1:0 Penn
Machida 1:0 Franklin
Machida 1:0 Sokoudjou
Rua 0:1 Griffin
Rua 2:0 Overeem
Rua 1:0 Jackson
All this data, that had to be organized somehow to put the end to this old-age argument. And what I came up was really quiet simple. I chose 4 criteria, and each of the fighters in question will get 8 through 1 points, with 8 being awarded to first, and 1 to last. Heres what i've got:
![[image loading]](http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/pppp7/MMath2.jpg)
W% is Win percentage
QoOF is Quality of Opponents Faced- its judged using the O column of the first table.
ToOLt is Toughness of Opponents lost to- its judged using the AOL column of the first table.
TTO opponents is statistics against opponents that are currently placed in sherdog top 10 rankings.
I was just doing it for fun, but it shocked me how accurate those rankings turned out to be. Surely they are slanted somehow and surely Fedor isnt first, but lets make a few sane adjustments to the list, lets say we dont count Fedors loss to TK via illegal elbow. Fedor jumps into first with 26 points! Unfortunately i couldnt take that liberty as I was vigorously informed that
On October 28 2008 11:01 Zeller wrote:
You said Fedor never lost, that was false, I corrected it
You said Fedor never lost, that was false, I corrected it
On October 28 2008 12:06 JudgeMathis wrote:
Actually... Fedor does have a loss. :D Wiki is the best.
Actually... Fedor does have a loss. :D Wiki is the best.
On October 28 2008 12:00 statix wrote:
he technically does have a loss...we all know that he would ahve won the fight had it not been for the cut but yes, its still a loss.
he technically does have a loss...we all know that he would ahve won the fight had it not been for the cut but yes, its still a loss.
Great Success! Point proven, and backed up by facts as much as any P4P discussion can possibly be. I was correct, if Silva were to retire right now, he would not be included in history books as Mayweather Jr, Ali, Sugar Ray or even Klitschko brothers. Silva is #2 on P4P list because he has credit, credit for his amazing performances, his dismantling of opponents. We just naturally expect his next opponent to be dismantled in exactly the same way. Truth is- nobody knows. Just remember the wins Soku raked - Silvaeque destructions of top tenners Arona and Little Nog, before his magic bubble was burst. Truth is, if he were to quit now, in a couple of years time people like Mousasi, Penn, Gomi, Machida, Filho, Alvarez and many others will have records under they belt that eclipse anything Anderson ever did.
And for that reason i hope that whole retirement talk and dicking around is just a way to get away from the UFC and continue onto the path of destruction which hopefully will eventually lead to the king himself. Fedor Emelianenko.
