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On September 04 2008 23:57 Straylight wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 23:36 d1v wrote:
To a certain degree, APM are important, but as soon as you pass the 150 APM barrier, it's not as important anymore. Also, APM do not necessarily reflect a player's skill. For example, I average at 300 APM/160 EAPM in all match-ups, which would lead you to think that I would be around C somewhere, but in fact, I struggle to reach D+.. I don't understand players who have so much APM and are D+. What the hell are you doing? I run 150 on average and I'm a decent C rank, C+ high.
Well, I get cheesed a lot and I often overestimate my opponents strength, which allows them to come back. My total of played ICCUP games is probably lower than 200, so I'm not such an experienced player, but my mechanics are ok.
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My apm is sub 200 and I spam like a mother fucker. I have beaten a laundry list of top pros. Do I think I am anywhere near them in terms of skill? Absolutely not. The point I am trying to make is that as a zerg player you can be dangerous and win big games, even series with relatively unstellar apm. People need to get off that glorification. Apm is obviously crucial if you want to go pro but for us casual/foreign competetive gamers it isn't the end all.
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On September 05 2008 04:24 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
My apm is sub 200 and I spam like a mother fucker. I have beaten a laundry list of top pros. Do I think I am anywhere near them in terms of skill? Absolutely not. The point I am trying to make is that as a zerg player you can be dangerous and win big games, even series with relatively unstellar apm. People need to get off that glorification. Apm is obviously crucial if you want to go pro but for us casual/foreign competetive gamers it isn't the end all.
I pretty much agree with your post. If you're below 200 APM however, you have to use your APM for the really important things.
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your ability to play determines your apm..
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if you have lower than 200 apm then please go hide in a hole.
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APM = bottleneck. Nothing more, nothing less.
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On September 04 2008 23:57 Straylight wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 23:36 d1v wrote:
To a certain degree, APM are important, but as soon as you pass the 150 APM barrier, it's not as important anymore. Also, APM do not necessarily reflect a player's skill. For example, I average at 300 APM/160 EAPM in all match-ups, which would lead you to think that I would be around C somewhere, but in fact, I struggle to reach D+.. I don't understand players who have so much APM and are D+. What the hell are you doing? I run 150 on average and I'm a decent C rank, C+ high.
i played a 7-7 korean with like 270..
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On September 04 2008 22:19 TheNikeYork wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 17:21 HeavOnEarth wrote:
high useful apm is good
high wasteful apm < low useful apm or about the same
i think it's measured by your Eapm with chaos? when the apm is all Eapm then it's 100% useful
So for example, 200 apm however with perfect 200 eapm would easily beat , or have an easier time beating, a 300 apm with only 150 eapm
You can measure eapm with chaos? Didn't know that. How?
oh you type /last right after a game that uses chaos or you can look at the stats on bwchart ~
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On September 04 2008 23:19 Kletus wrote:
As long as your APM is > 110 it doesn't really matter. If it's < 110 then just go play protoss :D
Yeah, and if you can't win any of your games, bitch about how your opponents play a noob race. :D
It certianly matters what sort of apm you're CAPABLE of effectively using, but average apm is a really shitty indicator of skill. I've seen B level players with 130 apm. I've seen D- players with 200 apm. My apm has gone down over the last few months, but I've gotten better. I focus on more efficient and precise actions.
On September 05 2008 04:24 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
My apm is sub 200 and I spam like a mother fucker. I have beaten a laundry list of top pros. Do I think I am anywhere near them in terms of skill? Absolutely not. The point I am trying to make is that as a zerg player you can be dangerous and win big games, even series with relatively unstellar apm. People need to get off that glorification. Apm is obviously crucial if you want to go pro but for us casual/foreign competetive gamers it isn't the end all.
And he should know because he's more accomplished than most of you will ever be, thread over.
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On September 04 2008 14:57 Caller wrote:
i can play sk terran with 90 apm ez
and zerg typically requires lower apm than terran
I don't want to be polemic but I have 2 replays of Nazgul winning Boxer in a BO5 (that he finally lost) with 115-120 apm. It was a long time ago, but it still means it's still possible to play cery well with a low apm.
I would say that for a terran player, 160 without spam is a minimum.
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ummmm....Biff The Understudy starcraft has completely changed since nazgul's era, no longer can you win with pure strategy or micro alone like back in those times, have you like ever watched a recent pro league match?
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On September 05 2008 23:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 14:57 Caller wrote:
i can play sk terran with 90 apm ez
and zerg typically requires lower apm than terran I don't want to be polemic but I have 2 replays of Nazgul winning Boxer in a BO5 (that he finally lost) with 115-120 apm. It was a long time ago, but it still means it's still possible to play cery well with a low apm. I would say that for a terran player, 160 without spam is a minimum.
I can do SK well with 170~ fairly easy(This strategy is usually where my apm is the highest ~_~..)
And back then itwas micro now its a mix of micro/macro(mostly macro)
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On September 04 2008 17:15 pyrogenetix wrote:
people with low apm say that apm is meaningless. --sour grapes--
low apm people always think high apm = useless apm. wrong =(
Obviously if you have 100apm and can do everything that is required of you then wow good for you... but can you? Are you using up all your money? training all the units you need, upgrading all you need, positioning your army where they need to be, expanding, harassing etc.
When you have a low apm there is just THAT much you can do. That's it, that's your limit. Anything more that comes along that needs you will go past undone.
If you have low apm and think you're doing just fine, then play better people.
win.
I have like 180 on average but I still think I got a lot more to do, I think to have your micro/macro/timing spot on you need at least 230 APM.
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On September 04 2008 14:57 Caller wrote:
i can play sk terran with 90 apm ez
and zerg typically requires lower apm than terran
To what rank?
I'm sorry, but if you make it past D with 90 apm Terran, you're one of the few that can. (Or should)
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the 1st thing i ask anybody b4 i say hi is "whats ur apm?"
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