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The next protoss Bonjwa?

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nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-12 22:11:21
August 12 2008 22:10 GMT
#1
With the limited, closed playstyle of the protoss race, I think at the highest level its one of the hardest races to master and use both. Bisu failed to live up to his consistency ever since he lost to Mind, and then decided to throw everything he had away since joining SKT1. He had everything no protoss could ever match at his time; his beautiful sair-macro playstyle vs Zerg, he had sick timing and an awesome playstyle as he had demonstrated vs Hwasin, Stork and many others that he had encountered. Now there is no protoss, and all we have right now are the candidates Jangbi, geumchi, Kal, Shuttle, Best, Pure, Hero, Free. Those are the best candidates rigt now for a future winning scene eruption, also those are the players with any hope againts Jaedong, the current zerg slayer of Protoss. Bisu could take down Jaedong, he studied Savior's style somehow and beat him in almost every single official game while no other Protoss could. He proved this by beating Jaedong in that andromeda game, but then Bisu seems to be a facade now. What Protoss will bring back hope to this once stagnant race and most likely beat Jaedong?

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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 12 2008 22:16 GMT
#2
Are you calling pure and best bad?
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Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
August 12 2008 22:23 GMT
#3
There was never an actual Protoss bonjwa to begin with.

In fact, Savior might have been the last of the bonjwa. The skill gap between players in this generation of Starcraft is just so minute that even the smallest mistake can make the difference between winning or losing.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-12 22:34:21
August 12 2008 22:34 GMT
#4
No-one. There will never be another bonjwa, until SC2.
RIP Aaliyah
nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
August 12 2008 22:35 GMT
#5
Disagree, it wasn't merely the skill gap but a style and method of playing that was discovered that led to bonjwa-ism. Perfection was also a factor, before all the narrow-minded people come storming into this blog, don't dismiss the entire possibility people.
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-12 22:45:30
August 12 2008 22:42 GMT
#6
On August 13 2008 07:23 Sigrun wrote:
There was never an actual Protoss bonjwa to begin with.

In fact, Savior might have been the last of the bonjwa. The skill gap between players in this generation of Starcraft is just so minute that even the smallest mistake can make the difference between winning or losing.


Agreed. Most likely, there won't be another bonjwa. For a while, Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash all looked like they were unstoppable but that clearly wasn't the case. It's unlikely anyone will be able to revolutionalize the game like iloveoov and, to a lesser degree, sAviOr.

Best is strong right now but personally (I might eat my words), I don't see him becoming dominant. His PvP is strong but his other two match ups are questionable. In addition, the Protoss race is in a slump so having an incredibly strong PvP isn't as significant as it could have been.

edit: didn't read nimysa's post XD. I still stand by my opinion though ^^
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
August 12 2008 23:07 GMT
#7
best has the potential but hes so fucking bad pvz, i hope bisu teaches him more about it.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
August 12 2008 23:30 GMT
#8
Best is definitely THE protoss player to watch. I'm sure SKT1 will force him to learn more about PvZ.

But as others have said, the skill gap is so small now between the best players, that there may not be another bonjwa.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 12 2008 23:32 GMT
#9
Bisu will return for a third MSL.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 12 2008 23:33 GMT
#10
On August 13 2008 08:32 ArvickHero wrote:
Bisu will return for a third MSL.

lol
RIP Aaliyah
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
August 12 2008 23:52 GMT
#11
As with any player who introduces a "revolutionary" new playstyle, he'll be analyzed by everyone and soon (after some months) everyone will know how to counter his style. Bisu's sair/DT/macro PvZ build looked almost imbalanced in 2007 but now every Zerg is so good against it, sair/DT won't do much damage anymore and the only thing Bisu can hope for is that he'll macro better but that's just not Bisu's cup of tea anymore either... lots of players have better macro than him now.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-12 23:55:39
August 12 2008 23:55 GMT
#12
I have faith in BeSt to win at least one Starleague, but as Sigrun pointed out with the level of competition increasing every year I don't think there will ever be another Bonjwa.

BeSt is surrounded with Starcraft legends at T1 and he definitely seems to have the composure and drive to practice until he is the best. After this OSL, he is ready to handle whatever pressure situations the next one can throw at him. Also keep in mind that he's an extremely young player, I mean Bacchus OSL was his first ever Starleague and he made it to the Ro8 before losing 1-2 to the strongest PvP at the time (Stork). That means he made it to the Finals in his second-ever Starleague, which is pretty freaking good.
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
August 13 2008 00:28 GMT
#13
Bisu is still the best Protoss, because hes so far ahead of the others PvZ. Kal, and free are capable to compete with him in that MU at times, but they both lack the mental strength Bisu has.

BeSt is just awful PvZ, and is not going to win anything unless he pulls off a Casy not facing any competent players in his worst MU. I also believe he lacks the mental strength.

I believe YJ has the potential, but he's still an unpolished diamond who needs more important matches under his belt.

But when it all comes down to it I cant see any immediate Bonjwas in the near future for any of the races.
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ulszz
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Jamaica1787 Posts
August 13 2008 00:59 GMT
#14
for some reason i read this "The next princess Bonjwa"
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 13 2008 01:07 GMT
#15
On August 13 2008 09:28 Guybrush wrote:
Bisu is still the best Protoss, because hes so far ahead of the others PvZ. Kal, and free are capable to compete with him in that MU at times, but they both lack the mental strength Bisu has.

BeSt is just awful PvZ, and is not going to win anything unless he pulls off a Casy not facing any competent players in his worst MU. I also believe he lacks the mental strength.

I believe YJ has the potential, but he's still an unpolished diamond who needs more important matches under his belt.

But when it all comes down to it I cant see any immediate Bonjwas in the near future for any of the races.


kal is better at pvz than bisu, free is ass fucking terrible

best is by far the strongest protoss right now
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Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
August 13 2008 01:34 GMT
#16
I dont care what any of you guys says OBVIOUSLY han is the best protoss since he beat Jaedong in the offline qualifiers. Psh, Best as the strongest protoss, thats just crazy talk! D:
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 13 2008 02:35 GMT
#17
there won't be any more bonjwas
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 13 2008 03:03 GMT
#18
On August 13 2008 09:28 Guybrush wrote:
Bisu is still the best Protoss, because hes so far ahead of the others PvZ. Kal, and free are capable to compete with him in that MU at times, but they both lack the mental strength Bisu has.

BeSt is just awful PvZ, and is not going to win anything unless he pulls off a Casy not facing any competent players in his worst MU. I also believe he lacks the mental strength.

I believe YJ has the potential, but he's still an unpolished diamond who needs more important matches under his belt.

But when it all comes down to it I cant see any immediate Bonjwas in the near future for any of the races.



Bisu is good at one matchup so he is the best protoss? Seriously?

He lost to fucking cuteangel, and it wasn't even because cuteangel cheesed. It was because Bisu plays worse PvT then the people combat-EX plays on iccup. He couldn't even pull off an easy reaver drop, because his mechanics suck.

He beat Stork in PvP because he cheesed, and the entire time before that he was playing slower and worse than Stork. BeSt will get better in the matchup, and even then, that makes TWO mu's he's good at. Versus Bisu's ONE.

I personally feel that YJ will be the next force, but at the moment BeSt makes Bisu look like a noob.
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kpcrew
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1071 Posts
August 13 2008 06:10 GMT
#19
i think its the time of terrans right now
Clan Lzuruha
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-13 07:05:05
August 13 2008 07:00 GMT
#20
On August 13 2008 07:23 Sigrun wrote:
There was never an actual Protoss bonjwa to begin with.

In fact, Savior might have been the last of the bonjwa. The skill gap between players in this generation of Starcraft is just so minute that even the smallest mistake can make the difference between winning or losing.
It's always been like that. Flash dominated people in one sided rapes, just as Boxer, oov, nada, savior, or JulyZerg did in ages past. His play was Bonjwa. As was Jaedongs. The problem is not what I would say is consistency, but longevity. So many games are played today, with such a mechanical outlook, fizzing out is inevitable. It is not one mistake that leads to the loss of a game- one catastrophic mistake maybe, or perhaps a mistake during a rush or being rushed, but thats always been true. Rather, because long macro games are so hard to keep up with, when you are practicing for three match ups constantly, playing like Flash was for example, maybe 10, maybe more, a MONTH, well...

Lower the rate of games played, and I guarantee we would have a Bonjwa.
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SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
August 13 2008 07:19 GMT
#21
Bisu didn't meet the bonjwa requirements but I'm sure someone already said that!
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iPF[Div]
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain572 Posts
August 13 2008 07:36 GMT
#22
i think shuttle is the only hope for aiur, best while the kid is good, lacks in the mental strength department, i seriously doubt that best will ever take an msl or osl. shuttle on the other hand played extremely well vs jd in the semis for gomtv (atleast better than flash.) and seems to be the a strong upcoming force among toss. ofc i want to throw kal in just because... but its fucking kal, so im not even going to start with him.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
August 13 2008 08:34 GMT
#23
people should stop throwing around the word bonjwa
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 13 2008 08:40 GMT
#24
On August 13 2008 07:42 B1nary wrote:
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On August 13 2008 07:23 Sigrun wrote:
There was never an actual Protoss bonjwa to begin with.

In fact, Savior might have been the last of the bonjwa. The skill gap between players in this generation of Starcraft is just so minute that even the smallest mistake can make the difference between winning or losing.


Agreed. Most likely, there won't be another bonjwa. For a while, Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash all looked like they were unstoppable but that clearly wasn't the case. It's unlikely anyone will be able to revolutionalize the game like iloveoov and, to a lesser degree, sAviOr.

I contend that Jaedong has outlasted Flash, and has been "good" and at the top of his game for a longer time than Bisu was.

So if you mention those three names, I think Jaedong has the most potential to continue dominating.
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