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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 18 2008 16:41 GMT
#1
In an attempt to make my TL experience more enjoyable and at the same time generate some meaningful dialogue, I would like to start a discussion about existentialism. First questions I have are, how is Kierkergaard's existentialism different from Heidegger's?

And

Has reading existentialism influenced your life directly in any way? If yes how so

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HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
June 18 2008 16:42 GMT
#2
explain the differences please!
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
Kingsp4de20
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States716 Posts
June 18 2008 16:44 GMT
#3
What in gods name is existentialism?
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-18 16:53:43
June 18 2008 16:44 GMT
#4
*sniff* *sniff*

I smell homework -.- Or someone really, really boring. All I can tell you is that I remember there being a question about existentialism on my midterm in English, and I got that question wrong because I didn't know what the fuck it was. To this day, I've never bothered to wikipedia it.

EDIT: Oh nevermind, I remember my friend telling me about this (I just wikied the definition) when I was said. I told him it was too similar to stoicism and that I thought it was a load of horse shit and a bad way to live your life. He says he lives by it, but I'm sure he makes exceptions.

EDIT 2: If you don't know what I mean by it being like stoicism, consider this: If meaning only exists if you create it, and giving meaning to death and pain makes you sad, why give meaning to them? It seems like the logical conclusion is to become stoic and unconcerned with giving meaning to things that hurt you, which IMO is not a good way to live. Maybe you could argue that giving meaning to death and pain gives special meaning to their antonyms, but then you're just beating around the bush and you might as well call existentialism the belief of doing whatever floats your boat (as opposed to the guide (in this case, very gentle nudge) of how to live your life).
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 18 2008 16:50 GMT
#5
Heidegger's existentialism is how when a person gains a better understanding of his own being and realizes it's self interpreting he has to come to terms with the fact that there is no meaning behind his existence and either can own up to it, disown it, or be blind to it I think?
geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
June 18 2008 16:51 GMT
#6
lol
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
June 18 2008 16:54 GMT
#7
On June 19 2008 01:51 geometryb wrote:
lol

RavenWrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Germany174 Posts
June 18 2008 16:55 GMT
#8
well the key to philosophy is: if its not your own dont even bother...

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HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
June 18 2008 16:56 GMT
#9
On June 19 2008 01:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Heidegger's existentialism is how when a person gains a better understanding of his own being and realizes it's self interpreting he has to come to terms with the fact that there is no meaning behind his existence and either can own up to it, disown it, or be blind to it I think?


Um I can't really say if that was good for me. I think tbh it was. It just allows me to take serious things less seriously, and then enjoy random things more easily...I can pick and choose how seriously I take the world and I don't think someone who hasn't gone through this type of realisation can. Hey what's the other type of existentialism?
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 18 2008 17:04 GMT
#10
Another complaint I have about existentialism is that it denies ideals of love. It seems to say that any feeling of love you have was entirely artificial and your own doing, instead of what it really feels like which is just starting to happen to you without your consent.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
June 18 2008 17:28 GMT
#11
You mentioned Kierkegaard. But why did you leave Nietzsche? He's also one of the precursos of the movement. And I think his ideas are the most interesting and insightful ones I've known. It's a shame many consider his work as a mad man's nonsense.
Freedom is a stranger
sanftm00d
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Austria73 Posts
June 18 2008 17:36 GMT
#12
philosphy is taking terms and abusing them as much as possible

there cant ever be a serious discussion about philosophy because its just a bit more complex religion

since the invention of the free market economy its not even necessary to discuss it anyway, just put your theory on the market and u can see how good it is without having to discuss about it in the first place

on a serious note, i can understand how it is important for some to talk about philosophy because they are engaged with their lives. It just won't get anyone anywhere. Its acting that solves problems, and if not u can still falsify and start a new...
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 18 2008 17:38 GMT
#13
Well I think kierkegaard and heidegger were the first ones to give existentialism a name, but nietzsche definitely had a huge influence upon them. He's regarded as the one of the most influential philosophers in the continental tradition, certainly not nonsense.
RavenWrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Germany174 Posts
June 18 2008 17:38 GMT
#14
On June 19 2008 02:36 sanftm00d wrote:
philosphy is taking terms and abusing them as much as possible

there cant ever be a serious discussion about philosophy because its just a bit more complex religion

since the invention of the free market economy its not even necessary to discuss it anyway, just put your theory on the market and u can see how good it is without having to discuss about it in the first place

on a serious note, i can understand how it is important for some to talk about philosophy because they are engaged with their lives. It just won't get anyone anywhere. Its acting that solves problems, and if not u can still falsify and start a new...


word!
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 18 2008 17:42 GMT
#15
On June 19 2008 02:36 sanftm00d wrote:
philosphy is taking terms and abusing them as much as possible

there cant ever be a serious discussion about philosophy because its just a bit more complex religion

since the invention of the free market economy its not even necessary to discuss it anyway, just put your theory on the market and u can see how good it is without having to discuss about it in the first place

on a serious note, i can understand how it is important for some to talk about philosophy because they are engaged with their lives. It just won't get anyone anywhere. Its acting that solves problems, and if not u can still falsify and start a new...


dude what?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 18 2008 17:53 GMT
#16
what?

He just denounced philosophy and generalized it into a single sentence. That guy has fucking amazing potential. He even got "word[ed]" for it. Which makes the statement even greater.. someone is dumb enough to agree.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 18 2008 17:54 GMT
#17
On June 19 2008 02:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
what?

He just denounced philosophy and generalized it into a single sentence. That guy has fucking amazing potential. He even got "word[ed]" for it. Which makes the statement even greater.. someone is dumb enough to agree.


word
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 18 2008 17:54 GMT
#18
this discussion has potential
crabapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States397 Posts
June 18 2008 17:56 GMT
#19
On June 19 2008 02:04 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Another complaint I have about existentialism is that it denies ideals of love. It seems to say that any feeling of love you have was entirely artificial and your own doing, instead of what it really feels like which is just starting to happen to you without your consent.


this is the same feeling you get when go to see a doctor cause ur in so much f-ing pain, and hten he tells you everything is normal. then you try to explain to him, "but i'm fucking hurting really reeeeeally badly." and then he tells you "we'll maybe it's all in your head, try to get out of it", writing you off as a hypochondriac. like you are some infallible illness detector?

BOILS MY BLOOD!@
crabapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States397 Posts
June 18 2008 17:58 GMT
#20
oh btw, just for the record and for everyone else who might not know, WHAT IS THE BASICS OF EXISTENTIALISM!?

i still don't know, despite hearing so much about it...

i believe i exist. does that make me an existentialist? or do i have to believe that i don't exist or something like that?
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