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Need help with poetry

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rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 08:40:47
June 04 2008 07:44 GMT
#1





*
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
June 04 2008 08:03 GMT
#2
Grammar is usually pretty loose in poetry but I don't like the odd capitalisation at times.
But it seems like you have no set rhyme or rythmn, it can't be that difficult to add an extra line.
Any advice I give would involve reworking the entire thing though... :p
No I'm never serious.
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
June 04 2008 08:04 GMT
#3
On June 04 2008 17:03 Nytefish wrote:
Grammar is usually pretty loose in poetry but I don't like the odd capitalisation at times.
But it seems like you have no set rhyme or rythmn, it can't be that difficult to add an extra line.
Any advice I give would involve reworking the entire thing though... :p


well im open, i need to it to be good, i need a good mark...
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 04 2008 08:13 GMT
#4
yes... why random capitalization of letters? imo just because it's poetry doesn't give you "i can do w/e the fuck I want" license. anyways, why did you capitalize random letters? does it serve any purpose?

you should think about when you are writing a poem exactly what are you trying to say, and how to best achieve that message.
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rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
June 04 2008 08:16 GMT
#5
im not good at goddamn poetry....
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
June 04 2008 08:18 GMT
#6
Xeris

Ever read Dickinson?
But why?
Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
June 04 2008 08:39 GMT
#7
The capitalization is meant to add significance to specific words, but I agree with a couple of the above posts that it's kind of off. =< The second line in the third stanza should be in quotes, I think... xO
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rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
June 04 2008 09:07 GMT
#8
please more advice!!!!
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HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
June 04 2008 09:54 GMT
#9
you need to read other poets and see what they are doing which you are not.

Some basic things, watch out for cliche and present participles (like waving)
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
sigma_x
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia285 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-04 09:58:28
June 04 2008 09:57 GMT
#10
Ok. Poetry is precise and concise. It never waivers. Why, for example, do you say,
"Sooner must you forget what you knew
accept the fact that you're already dead"

when you can say more briefly:

"Sooner must you forget what you knew -
for you are already dead."
LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
June 04 2008 12:35 GMT
#11
Your grammar is definitely somewhat hindering your writing here. You seem to be dead-set on putting in some semblance of sentence structure, which is totally cramping your style.

Also, is sooner a word? (I actually don't know this, but if you don't either then look that up.

The first stanza needs heavy revision in my opinion, and "who's doin' this, who's killing us" is TOTALLY from Have You Passed Through This Night, by Explosions in the Sky. So that is awesome.

Work on it and it'll be good

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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 04 2008 12:35 GMT
#12
where is defenstrate~~~
drug_vict1m
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
844 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-04 14:48:14
June 04 2008 14:47 GMT
#13
On June 04 2008 18:57 sigma_x wrote:
Ok. Poetry is precise and concise. It never waivers. Why, for example, do you say,
"Sooner must you forget what you knew
accept the fact that you're already dead"

when you can say more briefly:

"Sooner must you forget what you knew -
for you are already dead."


sound kinda archaic imo,
but i agree that this style suits poetry much more.
One must feel chaos within, to give birth to a dancing star.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-04 15:10:19
June 04 2008 14:55 GMT
#14
Generally rhyme helps poetry sound better and seem more organized (as long as it's not forced). Also, I don't get a good rhythm from your piece - the lines are awkward in length and I don't get the feeling of poetry, it just seems like cut up sentences. Try saying the poem slowly and clapping your hands for beats while emphasizing the letters under the clap, and you will see what I mean. Also, the claps should be placed over the long syllable sounds. Clapping depends on how you envision the poem to be paced, but here is what I got:

clap.............clap....clap.......clap.....clap | 5
Sooner must you forget what you knew

...clap.......clap........clap......clap...clap | 5
accept the fact that you're already dead

clap........clap...clap...clap | 4
you will function as a Soldier

clap......clap......clap.....clap....clap....clap....clap...clap | 8
Without mercy, Without compassion, Without remorse

clap............clap.......clap..clap | 4
your Country depends on this

Clap count:
5
5
4
8
4

As you can see it's pretty unbalanced. Also, in some instances the rhythm is off, which makes the claps ill-spaced (examples: ooon (clap) this (clap), youuu (clap) knew (clap).

I think your best line in this sense is "you will function as a soldier." The claps are evenly spaced, which means your rhythm is right on. I guess a good way to practice this would be to make a few sentences with similar rhythm, even if they don't make sense, just so you get a good feel for it. Example:

you will function as a Soldier
"I'm the world's last destroyer
My gun spits death without stop
I will make men's bodies drop"

That was a quick example so the fit isn't perfect, but they are all 4 claps and the claps are generally evenly spaced.

Hopefully you understood some of this lol...

EDIT: Also, don't ask people to add lines and shit to do your homework for you. Learn how to do it right and do it yourself, so you won't need people's help again later.
Peace~
gwho
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States632 Posts
June 04 2008 21:40 GMT
#15
i know how to make it better. turn it into prose.



haha jk
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
June 05 2008 11:29 GMT
#16
PROTIP: Just because it's poetry doesn't mean the rules of grammar don't apply.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-05 18:16:09
June 05 2008 18:15 GMT
#17
Try this:

Soon forget all that you once knew
accept that you're already dead
Our combined will compels your head
No mercy, compassion, nor time to rue

your Country depends on this, they say

Nazi banners waving all around,
The Lie engulfs you, envelopes you
Red hues of blood, flags or goo,
Soul is consumed, never to be found

Those eyes haunt you every day.

Your comrade screams, cries out your name
who's doin' this? who's killin us?
You march on, old corpses that you bus,
Shambling on and on, its all the same.

And into the earth your body they lay.
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rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
June 07 2008 23:17 GMT
#18
On June 04 2008 21:35 LightRailCoyote wrote:
Your grammar is definitely somewhat hindering your writing here. You seem to be dead-set on putting in some semblance of sentence structure, which is totally cramping your style.

Also, is sooner a word? (I actually don't know this, but if you don't either then look that up.

The first stanza needs heavy revision in my opinion, and "who's doin' this, who's killing us" is TOTALLY from Have You Passed Through This Night, by Explosions in the Sky. So that is awesome.

Work on it and it'll be good




I actually got it from Thin Red Line. Didn't know that group also said that.
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 08 2008 07:24 GMT
#19
On June 04 2008 17:18 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Xeris

Ever read Dickinson?


lol are you kidding? Dickinson doesn't just randomly do shit, if you think that then you don't really know what you are reading.

twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
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