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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
May 01 2008 09:10 GMT
#41
The same can be said about race imbalances in general. T was considered the weakest race until Boxer came along and made it the strongest, PvZ was considered imbalanced until Bisu came along and revolutionized the MU. The best players have an enormous influence in the game as they're the ones that push the boundaries of their race further than all the others before them.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
May 01 2008 10:19 GMT
#42
On May 01 2008 16:02 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
krohm I specifically said no being a dick in that blog and you couldn't help but to be one.

And here you are trolling where you can get attention rofl. Fuck off seriously.

Oh yes, and you're not trolling for attention... OH WAIT A MINUTE!
Not bad for a cat toy.
populis
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Brazil88 Posts
May 01 2008 12:56 GMT
#43
sorry krohm, you're being a stupid.
Do androids dream of electric sheep?
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.MistiK
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Netherlands347 Posts
May 01 2008 14:03 GMT
#44
On May 01 2008 21:56 populis wrote:
sorry krohm, you're being a stupid.

fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
May 01 2008 14:19 GMT
#45
On May 01 2008 21:56 populis wrote:
sorry krohm, you're being a stupid.

Rofl irony. But it's true.
Peace~
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
May 01 2008 14:30 GMT
#46
They should really bring nostalgia back I loved that map.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 01 2008 20:57 GMT
#47
On May 01 2008 23:19 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2008 21:56 populis wrote:
sorry krohm, you're being a stupid.

Rofl irony. But it's true.


No it's not. You're a dumb.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-01 21:35:16
May 01 2008 21:30 GMT
#48
If you ban Incontrol, you ban the fun out of this forum. Btw, have you (Incontrol) ever thought of some SC stand-up comedy? You'd sure do great!

EDIT:

Oh and to comment on your rant: Luckily, today everybody's got 300+ APM, therefore flawless macro and micro, so Terrans are really by definition the strongest players. Wait, how many of them are in the TSL qualifiers?
Adams Æbler
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 01 2008 21:33 GMT
#49
I prefer to type sitting zingggggggggggggggg but you make me blush sir

I wont be banned, fear not fellow tl.netters: the cries of an utter moron wont make anything change. He just joins the ranks of ganfei and other esteemed assholes who get banned eventually.
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
May 02 2008 02:19 GMT
#50
Lol inc your only pissed cause you lost to a terran

Terran fucking rules, we have the most consistent and intelligent players in bw history. Nuff' said.
:D
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 02 2008 02:20 GMT
#51
On May 02 2008 11:19 ._. wrote:
Lol inc your only pissed cause you lost to a terran

Terran fucking rules, we have the most consistent and intelligent players in bw history. Nuff' said.


Players like LaStShAdOw fill your ranks, why would you not be proud?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 02 2008 16:12 GMT
#52
On May 02 2008 11:19 ._. wrote:
Lol inc your only pissed cause you lost to a terran

Terran fucking rules, we have the most consistent and intelligent players in bw history. Nuff' said.


uh I've had the amazing experience of losing to all 3 races and even people that didnt select a race but ended up with one anyways. If you were trying to be a total fucking faggot and refer to TSL then I would ask that you like some of the others here, learn what the fuck it is like to joke with friends. And dont claim the "I was joking lawl" bullshit cause in order for that to be the case it'd have to have a semblence of humor. Your comment was just an attempt to get under my skin, nothing more.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
May 14 2008 02:20 GMT
#53
i love artosis.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-14 19:55:31
May 14 2008 17:43 GMT
#54
On May 01 2008 11:25 Chill wrote:
The OP is right. There's countless examples. Nostalgia isn't balanced because the play style was micro oriented back then and there player skill difference was huge. Longinus is balanced T=P at the progaming level but slightly T>P at the foreign level. And so on.


Don't you mean P > T at foreign level?


And the OP isn't exactly right. Maybe if you want to say "well, top foreign gamers don't understand maps as well as top progamers," be my guest. But by and large, I really don't think that Artosis' argument is half as solid as he thinks.

1. You say Boxer and Nada and Oov played more games on it than other people. But why did they play more games? They went further into tournaments. But who else goes further into tournaments? Top Protoss gamers? Top Zerg gamers? Okay, so instead of Boxer going even against average Joe's, he's going even against the top Protoss and Zerg players.

Doesn't that alone defeat your argument? Or wait, you're going to say that Boxer was the best player in the world at that time, therefore him going 50% on a map means it's imbalanced? But since most of the top 30 on KeSPA was Terran, wouldn't that same logic mean that all Terran players were the best? That Zerg and Protoss were just inferior races? Or maybe maps where Terran went better than 50% like Gaema Gowon actually were Terran favoring (*GASP*).

2. Face it: foreign gamers don't understand the game as well. That's true at your level too. Unless you claim you are as knowledgable as Boxer/NaDa/Oov/Flash/Midas/Xellos/whoever else you want to name. I think it goes without saying that top Zergs and Protosses are more knowledgable with their respective races since you are a Terran gamer, not a Zerg or Protoss gamer.

Since these people are better, they have a better grasp on how to come up with creative builds and how to properly execute standard builds. Having only 1 gas makes Nos very unforgiving of early game tank losses, but the terrain allows for very strategic pushing. The lack of a quick second gas makes fast cars or arbs a bad idea for Protoss. Blaming the map for your inability to build up an effective push is weak.

An imbalance means that no matter what you do, you're at a disadvantage. That's not true for Nostalgia. That's not true for any progamer map with balanced stats that I can think of, including Requiem. Unforgiving? Yes. Imbalanced? No. There's a huge difference. One is caused by your own inability, the other is innate.

3. Face it: the map being hard for you doesn't make it terrible. Your style is very tank heavy, very gas expensive, and revolves around making that big push. Nostalgia is a bad map for that kind of style unless you can get to the point where you completely and utterly turtle up the center (and to get there, you need to make a timed push out). To be honest, I also play a very tank heavy TvP and I used to suck balls at Nostalgia until I borrowed a timing push strategy from a friend of mine.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
rekluce
Profile Joined June 2007
United States51 Posts
January 06 2009 16:11 GMT
#55
most balanced map ever is probably luna, actually any map that makes it harder for terran should potentially be m ore balanced . And as far as the terran domination... WHY U THINK TERRAN DOMINATED EARLY STARCRAFT? ILL TELL YOU... VALHALLA, CHAR, JUNGLE STORY, NEW NO WAY OUT, LOST TEMPLE, AND RIVER OF FLAMES.

i hope all you terran users choke on ur next all beef meatlog.
boxer > jaedong folks
rekluce
Profile Joined June 2007
United States51 Posts
January 06 2009 16:12 GMT
#56
oops dident mean to bump o.o i forgot i was looking though old post >< sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy
boxer > jaedong folks
ish0wstopper
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)342 Posts
January 06 2009 17:21 GMT
#57
didnt mean to bump?
that was a long reply -_-


but its a good thread except krohm being a trashbag to incontrol who totally owns
ish0wstopper effect
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
January 06 2009 18:15 GMT
#58
On January 07 2009 01:12 rekluce wrote:
oops dident mean to bump o.o i forgot i was looking though old post >< sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy


When I read your username, it makes me think "Rek is loose".

Hmm.....a loose teddybear =O
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
January 06 2009 19:44 GMT
#59
This blog is garbage.
It's just Artosis making excuses for all his losses on Nostalgia.
=(
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
March 10 2009 13:22 GMT
#60
Needs a bump.

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090310092136152
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
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