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Locke.
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Israel562 Posts
April 30 2008 22:45 GMT
#21
perhaps someone can ban {88}iNcontroL ?
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
April 30 2008 23:04 GMT
#22
On May 01 2008 07:45 Locke, who has 385 posts. wrote:
perhaps someone can ban {88}iNcontroL, who has 13996 posts?

I find this highly unlikely.
But why?
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-30 23:17:59
April 30 2008 23:15 GMT
#23
Although I like every right minded American think Incontrol is a hero, isn't the point Artosis was making that Nostalgia is imbalanced because the greatest players, who were all Terran, only won 50% of the time on it? Isn't he saying it's balanced against Terran? If not, either
disregard this or correct me :D!

Edit: Okay, I think I get it. Incontrol is arguing that Artosis should quit crying about map imbalance, and Terran is imba anyway.

I guess I just can't follow because at n00b level, P>T EZ.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
April 30 2008 23:47 GMT
#24
This is the best blog ever.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
April 30 2008 23:50 GMT
#25
On May 01 2008 06:19 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2008 00:36 NonY[rC] wrote:
To paraphrase Grandmaster Artosis, the entirety of Terran strategy for every matchup can be summarized as waiting to get enough tanks to kill an entire army in one volley. Even the short-sighted and simple Terran players can recognize such a great imbalance. But I have to admit, having the fastest unit in the game on only the 2nd tier of tech with a short build time, that can shoot fragmentation grenades capable of vaporizing all peons, zerglings, zealots, defilers, and high and dark templar in seconds, and can even shoot these grenades backwards without losing acceleration, AND can shit out three mini-nukes that burrow into the ground only to pop out at the perfect time and seek out an enemy unit at an inescapable speed, gives siege tanks and their arclite cannons quite a run for their money.

Ah, how could I forget their cost? Let's make a list of units (excluding peons) that are cheaper than vultures:
--Zergling
--Marine

That was easy.


hahahaha
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
May 01 2008 00:14 GMT
#26
On May 01 2008 08:04 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2008 07:45 Locke, who has 385 posts. wrote:
perhaps someone can ban {88}iNcontroL, who has 13996 posts?

I find this highly unlikely.

OWNED.

BIG PROPS + LOL @ INC <3
Peace~
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 01 2008 00:15 GMT
#27
On May 01 2008 07:45 Locke. wrote:
perhaps someone can ban {88}iNcontroL ?


not for fucking around in a blog made by a close buddy of his
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 01 2008 00:32 GMT
#28
On May 01 2008 08:04 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2008 07:45 Locke, who has 385 posts. wrote:
perhaps someone can ban {88}iNcontroL, who has 13996 posts?

I find this highly unlikely.


Don't ever tell Locke what he can't do!
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 01 2008 00:57 GMT
#29
locke dream big or go home.

But in this case just go home.

If you had friends, and if those friends made a blog perhaps you'd understand the concept of "having fun." Until then just trust those of us who have friends
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 01 2008 01:00 GMT
#30
i mean its common knowledge that everyone is artosis' friend and anyone can just say whatever they want to him because he will know they are joking

fuck you artosis shit newbie dog manner!!!!
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
May 01 2008 01:37 GMT
#31
Thanks to this post Nostalgia will auto-add to mappool of TSL2
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Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
May 01 2008 02:20 GMT
#32
this blog is made of epic win. Should go in hall of fame
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
May 01 2008 02:25 GMT
#33
The OP is right. There's countless examples. Nostalgia isn't balanced because the play style was micro oriented back then and there player skill difference was huge. Longinus is balanced T=P at the progaming level but slightly T>P at the foreign level. And so on.
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 01 2008 02:29 GMT
#34
God fast dragoons on Longinus is hell D:
Official Entusman #21
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
May 01 2008 02:42 GMT
#35
that's actually a really interesting point. I've never thought of map stats with respect to top players and the meta-strategies at the time.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
May 01 2008 02:44 GMT
#36
by that token, isn't DMZ such a terrible map because a team always had a zerg. what if one team went T/P or T/R instead?
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
May 01 2008 03:48 GMT
#37
On May 01 2008 11:44 azndsh wrote:
by that token, isn't DMZ such a terrible map because a team always had a zerg. what if one team went T/P or T/R instead?

it's pointless to discuss 2v2 maps without considering a Z on the team, 99% of matches have a Z
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Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
May 01 2008 05:44 GMT
#38
On May 01 2008 07:30 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
hey krohm: Go troll somewhere else faggot.

Nobody else has banned me from their blog cause nobody else is a nancy faggot.

Silly, considering you banned me from your blog first because I made a joke about you having a stick up your ass. Couldn't handle the heat of a little joke, based on how much of an unrelenting asshole you are to half the people on these forums.

On May 01 2008 11:25 Chill wrote:
The OP is right. There's countless examples. Nostalgia isn't balanced because the play style was micro oriented back then and there player skill difference was huge. Longinus is balanced T=P at the progaming level but slightly T>P at the foreign level. And so on.


It's funny how foreign level varies so much compared to the monsters in programing.

This thread makes me want to play Nostalgia again... God I hated that map, I don't know why would I want to ever play on it.
Not bad for a cat toy.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 01 2008 07:02 GMT
#39
krohm I specifically said no being a dick in that blog and you couldn't help but to be one.

And here you are trolling where you can get attention rofl. Fuck off seriously.
Play
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia608 Posts
May 01 2008 07:03 GMT
#40
i'm surprised nobody has said anything about TroyTroy's tvz "imbalance" just because of a 6-0 run for terran. Yet in all of those games, the terran has just outclassed the zerg player :/

I agree that the tl map database isn't the best source for proving map imbalances...if that was Artosis's point
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