EPTThe more science starts to shed light on ideas, religions begin to change their tones. Prime example...Christians who acknowledge evolution. If you are a Christian and believe in evolution, then you can't use the bible as the all knowing book that has all the answers. Once you throw one part out, the rest goes with it. This is what religion doesn't seem to understand, and why there are so many sects of so many different religions.
Just break down Christianity
Non Denominational
Catholic
Baptist
Anglican
Methodist
...so on and so forth
Right here is the reason in not believing. Everyone has their take on the bible. That being said, everyone is supposed to have their own take on it. The book is full of scriptures that can be turned into what you want it to mean. This isn't an uncommon way of writing. Many people believe this is how Nostradamus worked as well. You write something vague and doll it up with words that have multiple meanings and phrases that can be construed in many ways, then years down the road something happens and we assume that what was written was meant for this event in time.
If you are reading the bible and coming to the conclusion that
- The world was created in 7 days
- The Great Flood
- Jonah surviving being eaten by a whale
- Jesus being the Son of God
and all that other stuff in the bible...
You are a wishful thinker and I commend you for having so much faith. I really wish I could have that much faith in something so ridiculous...but unfortunately, I have thoughts...and those can really fuck up the whole faith thing. (Thank you Lewis Black)
For me to believe Christianity is more than just a way to keep people in line, then I would have to believe in the creationism story. I'm sorry, I'm just not that narrow minded. Honestly the book loses all credit in the first chapter and yet people still use it as though it is the ultimate truth. It blows my fucking mind. People can fire back and forth at each other over religion and we will never get anywhere. The only way we get anywhere is acceptance. Everyone has their opinions, and I really don't fucking care if your religion tells you to preach the gospel to all the world...that scripture is out dated. Obviously if we aren't living in the African jungle right now, we know what the fuck Christianity is. We don't need you to tell us your beliefs, we get it. People get mad at Atheists for attacking Christianity, and I'm sorry but you know, it wasn't us who started it.
As for how I deal with it, I enjoy the motto "To each his own" until someone comes and tells me why I am going to hell. When that happens, I have the tendency to tell them why they are a fucking idiot. Seems like a fair trade off. If they are this great Christian then there should be nothing that I can say to convince them they are on the wrong path, so why are they bothered by it so much? Listen I know from the Christian perspective why I'd be going to hell if it existed. I really don't need your list, I understand.
Reasons why I am going to hell
- Lust: I enjoy wanting things, be it sex, money, worldly possessions.
- Gluttony: Chances are everyone wastes food, or money or something so good luck on the heaven thing.
- Greed: I'm a degenerate poker player, enough said.
- Sloth: I'm surely not using all my talents and skills to will of god if he existed.
- Wrath: I've hated people, and I still hate people.
- Envy: I definitely wish I was Justin Timberlake...that kid can dance like nobodies business
- Pride: I'm always proud. I don't let things go to my head, but I'm proud of the things of done in life, and I don't credit god for them
The Seven Deadly Sins, I've covered them all.
Now I want to respond to this...
On January 30 2008 03:44 TechniQ.UK wrote:
What is it in particular that convinces you Christianity is the one true religion?
i.e. What makes it more "correct" than any other religion in the world.
Basically if you look at the main stream religions that exist today, if you believe in a god you can narrow it down to about 4, Muslims worship a god who many christians including myself believe to be a small g (god) a diety that links back to satan why is this allah not the same as the God of the bible? 1. The bible teaches that Yah'shua (Jesus) was THE saviour, he was the messiah the prophet, however the quran contradicts this by saying that Yah'shua is only to come later a 2nd time and isnt as important as mohammed. The quran is like the 3rd or 4th holy book in the world in chronological order of the abrahamic religions, it came after Yah'shua returned to heaven and its saying that all the rules have changed and that in some twisted way that theres a new more important prophet and salvation comes through all this other stuff and doesn't mention faith much, also theres parts where the quran says that allah went down to hell and started torturing souls there for i think it was amusement?? Sorry but going from us being saved and being back in the love of the father and then out of nowhere its like all of this stuff, no im sorry but this isn't our Lord and saviour and its not the God of the bible. There is also a lot of evidence to show that most of islam is based on idolatry of like stones, which the bible also warns against.
Sikhism is kinda like i don't know much about God but its like hes everywhere, created life and is kinda just there, salvation comes through enlightenment, this is basically buddhism, sikhism and other indian/eastern religions in a nut shell, so theres nothing much going on there they get information from so called gurus with like 0 evidence.
Judaism is basically what came before Christianity but has decided not to move on when Christianity came, why? im not sure but there is quite a lot of parts of judaism who do believe in the messiah so there i think on the way to salvation.
What is it in particular that convinces you Christianity is the one true religion?
i.e. What makes it more "correct" than any other religion in the world.
Basically if you look at the main stream religions that exist today, if you believe in a god you can narrow it down to about 4, Muslims worship a god who many christians including myself believe to be a small g (god) a diety that links back to satan why is this allah not the same as the God of the bible? 1. The bible teaches that Yah'shua (Jesus) was THE saviour, he was the messiah the prophet, however the quran contradicts this by saying that Yah'shua is only to come later a 2nd time and isnt as important as mohammed. The quran is like the 3rd or 4th holy book in the world in chronological order of the abrahamic religions, it came after Yah'shua returned to heaven and its saying that all the rules have changed and that in some twisted way that theres a new more important prophet and salvation comes through all this other stuff and doesn't mention faith much, also theres parts where the quran says that allah went down to hell and started torturing souls there for i think it was amusement?? Sorry but going from us being saved and being back in the love of the father and then out of nowhere its like all of this stuff, no im sorry but this isn't our Lord and saviour and its not the God of the bible. There is also a lot of evidence to show that most of islam is based on idolatry of like stones, which the bible also warns against.
Sikhism is kinda like i don't know much about God but its like hes everywhere, created life and is kinda just there, salvation comes through enlightenment, this is basically buddhism, sikhism and other indian/eastern religions in a nut shell, so theres nothing much going on there they get information from so called gurus with like 0 evidence.
Judaism is basically what came before Christianity but has decided not to move on when Christianity came, why? im not sure but there is quite a lot of parts of judaism who do believe in the messiah so there i think on the way to salvation.
Allah is the same fucking God you worship...deal with it. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, not the son of god. I don't believe in Islam either, but to say the God Muslims worship is a deity smaller than the God you worship is beyond fucking amazingly stupid.
Sikhism believes in one God, and believes he is omnipresent. God is everywhere, not far off from the Christian God who is all knowing eh?
Judaism didn't move on because they don't fucking have to. According to the Bible, THEY ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE. They don't need Jesus, he didn't come to help them.
Those are 4 major religions no doubt, but to say they are the biggest you are wrong. I would imagine you have heard of Buddhism and Hinduism?
On January 30 2008 03:44 TechniQ.UK wrote:
Can you explain the Holy Trinity to me?
I read the Bible, but that thing doesnt make fucking sense at all.
Ok basically The son, the Father and the Holy Spirit are all part of 1 God, they are all linked in some way but they're existing in 3 persons. I can't really go into this much because its so beyond what we understand theres really no way for us to know on what levels are they the same person etc... However Yah'shua made it clear that he and the Father were one. The bible also makes it clear that the Holy Spirit is also a part of this unity.
Can you explain the Holy Trinity to me?
I read the Bible, but that thing doesnt make fucking sense at all.
Ok basically The son, the Father and the Holy Spirit are all part of 1 God, they are all linked in some way but they're existing in 3 persons. I can't really go into this much because its so beyond what we understand theres really no way for us to know on what levels are they the same person etc... However Yah'shua made it clear that he and the Father were one. The bible also makes it clear that the Holy Spirit is also a part of this unity.
Not the hardest concept to wrap your head around. Christians may not admit it but the trinity is just 3 deities that form one God. God the son (Jesus), God the father, and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is really the only relative unknown in that equation.
On January 30 2008 03:44 TechniQ.UK wrote:
Can Buddhists and Hindus get into heaven?
Yes if they believe in Yah'shua with their whole heart and confess him before others and follow some important rules in the bible for salvation then theres no reason why not. Unless their religion is worshipping other idols or gods because that is a serious sin and the bible says you cannot be a person with 2 masters (sin or salvation, God or some other idol).
Can Buddhists and Hindus get into heaven?
Yes if they believe in Yah'shua with their whole heart and confess him before others and follow some important rules in the bible for salvation then theres no reason why not. Unless their religion is worshipping other idols or gods because that is a serious sin and the bible says you cannot be a person with 2 masters (sin or salvation, God or some other idol).
Buddhists and Hindus can't get into Christian heaven because...well THEY ARE BUDDHISTS AND HINDUS!
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