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JesusCruxRH
New Zealand159 Posts
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
"by the way, thanks TesisMech for always sticking up for me. You know what it's like to be saved by God and I pray you feel blessed everyday." and not expect people to mock you. You aren't hurting anyone, but saying "faith-based" things ....i.e....things w/o evidence will get you mocked in general. Anyway, I am sorry about your friend;( | ||
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JesusCruxRH
New Zealand159 Posts
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I'm an Atheist/Agnostic (silly explanation) and I'm ideologically opposed to a belief in God but that doesn't mean I'm against other people believing in God if it makes them happy or adds value to their life. My ex-gf wasn't very religious, but she was a church going person and wanted to raise her family within it and that was one of the things I found most beautiful about her - the hope and inspiration it gave her. I think part of the reason that I can accept religion is because of my disbelief in God. If I were of another faith, I might believe you were heading down the path to Hell and it'd be my moral obligation to stop you, but I don't believe that's true so I have no issue as long as you live a moral and fulfilling life. If there truly is an omnipotent, omnibenevolent God, I'd imagine living that kind of life is more important to him than ceremonial gestures. This does bring up the unfortunate problem of clashing religions. Is it possible to be truly accepting of other religions if your core belief is that you MUST be a ________ in order to get to Heaven and otherwise you go to Hell. I don't think it's possible unless you take the stance I said before and believe quality of character is more important than religious alignment. Unfortunately, I don't think most religious people actually believe that so when they say "I disagree but I respect your beliefs," they're really just talking bullshit because they don't respect your beliefs but they don't want to offend you. And of course, once you add politicking into the mix, that's where things really go wrong and that's the primary reason people like Idra are so vehemently against religion in the first place, but eliminating it simply isn't a realistic option at any point in time nor would it necessarily be a useful option. I don't have any idea what the answer is though. I just know that people who say the Catholic Church or any other religion with stringent ideologies on the afterlife should just "get along" or "respect" other religions are full of shit. They can't, they believe everyone else is wrong and if they just standby and watch, then they're not fulfilling their religious obligations either. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
Here's the truth: You're a goddamned douchebag and hardly anyone on this site can stand you because you always say the dumbest shit. You accepted christianity because you're too much of a pussy to accept the truth: you don't know what happens when you die. Stop fooling yourself, it's hilarious and sad at the same time. Don't get me wrong, I still think it's pathetic some people come into your thread about your friends death, I can't believe anyone could do that and not feel sorry for themselves. But you're always getting yourself into shit like this because you're the most insane and rediculous poster on this site. The fact that you start your post with: "here's to anyone who's an idiot" says enough about you. | ||
vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
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JesusCruxRH
New Zealand159 Posts
Perhaps I am a fool, and a pussy. I thank God for that, because it's made me glad. + Show Spoiler + Why is it that some people desperately need to know whether God exists, while others could care less? For me, it was an intensely personal thing. I was an emotional wreck. For as long as I could remember, my life was characterized by tremendous anxiety and fear. Why was I so anxious and fearful? Who knows. I guess some people are just born that way. Anyway, ever since I could remember, that's just how things had always been for me. During my junior year in college, my personal struggles came to a head. I knew that I could not go on living as I had. And yet, I also couldn't see any way out of my problems. Because my problem was me! The only solution seemed to lie in being changed--yet I was incapable of changing who I was. I concluded that if there was any solution for my problem, it would have to come from outside of myself. And so I began my spiritual journey. I took up Transcendental Meditation. I read books on other religions. I wasn't particularly disposed towards Christianity, even though that was my family's religious tradition. After all, if there was a God, He (or She, or It, or Them) would be the God of all nations and peoples. The "accident" of my own birth circumstances shouldn't influence my search for the existence and true identity of God. I had met enough hypocrites who called themselves Christians that--if anything--Christianity was relatively discredited in my eyes. It didn't take long, however, for me to conclude that IF there was a God out there, it had to be the Christian God. In terms of historical evidences, consistency and reliability of the religion's sacred writings, Christianity was head and shoulders above all other religions. Nevertheless, there was still a pretty big IF preceding that conclusion. To make a long story short, after a period of searching that lasted approximately two years, I came to the conclusion that God existed and that He was the Christian God testified to by the Bible--the Three- In-One-God of God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. I accepted the Bible's teaching that I was a sinner in need of a savior. So I bent my knee and prayed to God. In that prayer I acknowledged my need and thanked Him for His solution for my problem: forgiveness for my sins and a new nature through Jesus Christ. And that is how I became a Christian. Did becoming a Christian solve my problems? Yes it did. Not overnight. But God completely transformed my life, as He promised in the Bible. I want to address one last point. Maybe you're thinking that here's another story of some loser who needed a crutch to get him through life. Well, you're right. I was a needy guy who needed a crutch. And maybe that made me more desperate to imagine a God who really wasn't there. I can certainly understand the skepticism of one who would think that. On the other hand, I ask you to consider this: it is the sick and the afflicted who are often in the best position to testify of the skill of the physician. I've identified two books below that I think do well in answering the questions of the skeptic. I encourage you to check them out. The questions of whether God exists, what He is like, and what He wants from us, are questions of truth. In Chapter 8, Verses 31 and 32 of the Book of John (in the Bible), it says, "To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, 'If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.'" I have found these words to be true. FURTHER READING: Josh McDowell. More Than a Carpenter. Wheaton, Illinois: Tyndale House Publishers, 1977. C.S. Lewis. Mere Christianity. New York: MacMillan Publishing Company, 1952. - Bob Reed | ||
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JesusCruxRH
New Zealand159 Posts
On December 03 2007 00:01 vGl-CoW wrote: irregardless is not a word Irregardless, you get my point  | ||
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JesusCruxRH
New Zealand159 Posts
On December 02 2007 17:11 Jibba wrote: This does bring up the unfortunate problem of clashing religions. Is it possible to be truly accepting of other religions if your core belief is that you MUST be a ________ in order to get to Heaven and otherwise you go to Hell. I don't think it's possible unless you take the stance I said before and believe quality of character is more important than religious alignment. Unfortunately, I don't think most religious people actually believe that so when they say "I disagree but I respect your beliefs," they're really just talking bullshit because they don't respect your beliefs but they don't want to offend you. Interesting because when you look at the Gospels and the kind of people Jesus said would enter into Heaven - it wasn't so much about their religious beliefs, many of them had only met Him for the first time, it was, like you say, the quality of their character that mattered, whereas those who were 'religious' and claimed to be God's chosen people tended to be rebuked. A lot of the ideals about the requirements of entrance to Heaven come from human interpretations of verses such as: "no-one comes to the Father except through Me" - and it's interesting because is "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior" the real requirement or just merely that when you die Jesus will allow people through the door? For example, the poor man Lazarus died and went to Heaven, or the blind man at the well who has left to be a beggar all his life and probably never set foot in a temple - and even the roman soldiers who crucified Jesus and He prayed for God to forgive them - are they in Heaven? It's unlikely they became 'Christians' in the sense many Churches say you have to become to get to Heaven. Like the Bible says, no-one judges who is going to Heaven or Hell but God alone, and so many Christians say: "we're not judging you, we're just telling you what God will say" - which kinda is effectively assuming they know God's judgment and thus can make calls on His behalf. When I say I respect someone's beliefs I mean it. If I was chatting to a Muslim I would say I respect their beliefs, therefore will not say what they are saying is wrong unless I actually studied it for myself (I am partway through reading the Koran and two books on it - one by someone who converted to Islam and one by a former Muslim who converted to Christianity). You can respect their beliefs because you are respecting the fact that they were brought up in a different country and would not have the same views as you. To say that is bullshit is effectively saying someone will never be open to changing their view, which is untrue (in some cases, anyway). If all Christians and non-Christians respected each other's beliefs, perhaps there will be more converts and the right one eventually prevails due to the increased communication and acceptance of certain truths. Edit: I know I took your post out of context and am just clarifying semantics, I realise you did say most religious people so weren't saying we were all lying when we say we respect other people's beliefs. | ||
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
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nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
But also in response to part of Jibba's post, I'd like to say that I think it is possible for religious people to accept people of other faiths. JCRH himself expressed that, but even assuming he was being dishonest, reading the Bible, book of Matthew in particular, you see Jesus saying to love and pray for one's enemies - Christians should love everyone. True, many Christians and others have fallen FAR short of this ideal, but regardless of that fact, this idea is part of that religion. Many religions have a more tolerant history than Christianity, such as Hinduism, Buddhism, various pagan religions, and so on. I don't think tolerance is at all a lost cause with religious folk. To JCRH: I think it was a mistake to start your post with "a response to everyone who is an idiot." I don't think you help your cause, the cause of Christianity, or the cause of peace, tolerance, and understanding, by going about things this way. People will attack you regardless of what you believe. You have a choice in how you deal with that. What would Jesus do? Probably not insult anyone, even mildly. Neither should you. When you do, you build walls instead of building bridges, and we all should be building bridges. Otherwise, I tend to like your posts, and I certainly don't feel at all offended by them. Neither do I find them irrelevent or stupid. I actually kind of admire your passion, and you do seem to post on topics of social or personal importance. It is unfortunate that people feel a need to show off their lack of belief as they do, but that's to be expected. I'll say that I think much of the really bold and rude statements by atheists here are more an issue of youth than of anything else. Young people have a strong need to assert their own identity, and I think this really hardcore atheist stuff is part of that trip. Could be wrong, and don't mean to insult anyone, but it is something I suspect. I think it's more a statement about themselves than anything. I can kind of say that, too, because in retrospect, when I was a callous, hardcore, argumentative atheist, I think that was part of it for me. I'm still an atheist, but I just fail to see what is to be gained by bashing people who don't see things my way. Nick / Inky | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
And Hinduism is a PRIME example of politics exploiting religion. Whether the lessons it teaches are wise or not, it's a religion designed to promote an unfair caste system. | ||
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micronesia
United States24650 Posts
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Texas
Germany2388 Posts
That account was created on 2007-10-06 13:00:59 and had 159 posts. Reason: You are a blatant troll. cheers | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32046 Posts
On December 03 2007 06:05 HiTexas wrote: JesusCruxRH was just banned by ManaBlue. That account was created on 2007-10-06 13:00:59 and had 159 posts. Reason: You are a blatant troll. cheers  | ||
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nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
Diversity is always a good thing, and while I do not agree with a lot of Christian ideas, I think having those ideas voiced in a mostly respectful way was a good thing. I do not understand why people cannot simply avoid threads by posters they find disagreeable. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32046 Posts
On December 03 2007 07:48 nA.Inky wrote: If that is true that JCRH was banned, it is too bad. I understand full well that TL never said free speach existed here, but from what I could see, JCRH created his own threads and it was other people entering his threads and bashing him that was more of a problem than anything. Diversity is always a good thing, and while I do not agree with a lot of Christian ideas, I think having those ideas voiced in a mostly respectful way was a good thing. I do not understand why people cannot simply avoid threads by posters they find disagreeable. It was because blogs where there was actual intereesting shit was getting pushed down by his blogs which were posted like 10 times a week with the same old bland content. | ||
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
I'm glad that demagogue is gone. | ||
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