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We all die, we all come to the eventual ending of our lives at one point or another. Be it naturally or accidentally. Just once though, it’s our final act of being alive. The transition from life to death… No one can avoid it, it find us all… eventually.
The very concept of death is interesting, however it’s also a great fear for many. It’s so unknown as to what happens after we die, that we can’t help but fear it. I know I can’t. The thought of my life ending is frightening, perhaps it’s because I am still young. I feel that my life is greatly incomplete. Dying now, would be nothing more than a waste. Maybe once I get older, I’ll feel more open to the thought of my life ending. If I make it that far, anything could happen in between now and then. But I’m not old yet, I haven’t developed that understanding of life yet.
If we knew what comes after life, maybe then the fear of dying wouldn’t be so great. Yet we will never know what truly happens when we die.
If Science is right, then nothing happens. The energy that is inside us just ceases to exist. It’s like turning off a light. The light just ceases to exist. It doesn’t go off to some far off plane of existence, it just simply stops being produced by the light bulb. Our perception just simply stops. There is nothing, we go no where… Now that sounds like something to fear… Yet if you really think about it, it is nothing to fear. If our perception stops then there is no “you” anymore. No consciousness, no thought, and no emotion. Nothing… It’s like going to sleep with out dreaming.
Maybe when we die, there is something more. Maybe there is an after life. Most people like to believe this. But what would be in this “after life“? From a religious stand point, there would be a Heaven. Or what ever else you may think lay waiting for you after life. You would see all your dead relatives again, you’d be happy for all eternity… All eternity is a long time… The thought of existing eternally actually frightens me more then the thought of simply not existing. Sure living eternally sounds great. Never having to fear death… but people tend to over look the simple fact that you would be forever. Eventually you would do everything, maybe it would take billions of years. But eventually you would ultimately do everything possible, over, and over… I’ve argued this idea with people who believe in an after life, but they can’t seem to understand the issue I’m representing. Who knows for sure though, maybe your understanding changes in the afterlife, and some how boredom is no longer an issue… I find that idea utterly ridiculous though.
Those are pretty much the two main views towards what happens when you die. There are a few obscure theories as well. Such as reincarnation, the energy that is us, is recycled and we’re created as something else when we die. I don’t think that’s a pliable concept though. Due to the main fact that more people are being created. Where would this new energy be coming from exactly? Which raises another question. How does the “miracle” of life even happen. How is that spark of energy created when you’re a fetus. Science can’t explain that. Maybe that’s a sign of a greater scheme of things… Who knows for sure though? Maybe it’s just something science is unable to explain at this point in time. Maybe later on in the future there will be a perfectly explainable reason behind it.
A few other things have been weighing on my mind, is the fact that life is worthless in today‘s societies. There’s violence all over the world. People are killed all the time. Religion plays a major role in this. I think religion has made life worthless to a certain extent. How many people have been killed in the name of God? Entire civilizations have been wiped out by there neighbours because they didn’t worship the same God as themselves. Also if we think there’s an after life, then death doesn‘t seem as bad as it should. People blindly throw their lives away, thinking they’ll go to Heaven when they die. What if there was concrete evidence proving that there was nothing after life. Would people hold life more dear? If there was no God, then violence wouldn’t be of this magnitude. But maybe then some sort of new conflicts would arise such as fighting for survival… But in today’s day and age. If everyone in the world shared their riches, there would be no need to kill for survival. Putting just plain old murder aside. The world would be a much better place.
The other problem is money is worth more than life. This is proven all over, even with little things. A perfect example of this, would be Canadian Armoured Car Guards. They’re allowed to carry guns in order to protect money. Yet just normal everyday security guards, some who are there to keep a small order on things. Are allowed nothing, not even a club to protect themselves if the need should arise. Yet people protecting large sums of money are allowed to carry guns in order to protect that money. Another example would be Wars, how many wars are being fought for money? The Iraq war is a perfect example of this. It’s a war for Iraq’s Oil Fields. If the USA can secure them, they’ll generate trillions of dollars over the next hundred years. That’s all that war is about. Nothing more. Hundreds of people are killed there daily, over Oil. Oil generates money. If you really think the Iraq was is over anything else you’re naïve. Look at how much money USA has borrowed from other countries to help fund their war. Obviously America knows by securing those oil fields they’ll be able to pay back their debts while filling their pockets just as well.
Another thing to look at though, about an “afterlife“. It does make sense in some way. If there truly is nothing after life, then what is the point of living in the first place? The fact that you just live, then die with there being nothing else afterwards sounds pretty pointless. The cycle of life is just to plain. There must be something more after life. It just makes more sense then there being simply nothing. However if that was the case, what about all other life? Would that mean that everything goes to an afterlife as well? Some reason picturing a Daisy going to an afterlife when it dies is another ridiculous thought. So are we on a higher tier of life? Putting any thought of a God aside, what makes us so special other than the fact that we’re dominantly superior over all other life on Earth. We’re alive just like everything else, we die just like everything else. In that aspect we’re equal. So either everything else must go to this afterlife, or else there is none.
I’m out of views that I’d like to share, maybe I’ll get more in the years to come. But, I’d like to know what do you think of death? What do you think happens? Why do you want your view to happen? If some one could tell you what really happens when you die, would you want to know? Or would you rather keep your own view and hopes on an afterlife? I think I would keep mine… To know what really happens, wouldn’t be right… It would ultimately change, and possibly ruin your life.
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Good complete thoughts. I have also thought about death a lot recently and came to the conclusion that although sometimes it scares the shit out of me, it also comforts me because it gives a resolution in a way. I do agree with you that the alternate of living forever is even worse so death isn't that bad. Plus, you are passed on in your children and in that way you never really die.
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On October 29 2007 10:06 Krohm wrote:
Another example would be Wars, how many wars are being fought for money? The Iraq war is a perfect example of this. It’s a war for Iraq’s Oil Fields. If the USA can secure them, they’ll generate trillions of dollars over the next hundred years. That’s all that war is about. Nothing more. Hundreds of people are killed there daily, over Oil. Oil generates money. If you really think the Iraq was is over anything else you’re naïve. Look at how much money USA has borrowed from other countries to help fund their war. Obviously America knows by securing those oil fields they’ll be able to pay back their debts while filling their pockets just as well. Actually, if you think it's 100.0% about oil, then you are also naive.
Another thing to look at though, about an “afterlife“. It does make sense in some way. If there truly is nothing after life, then what is the point of living in the first place? The fact that you just live, then die with there being nothing else afterwards sounds pretty pointless. The cycle of life is just to plain. There must be something more after life. It just makes more sense then there being simply nothing. However if that was the case, what about all other life? Would that mean that everything goes to an afterlife as well? Some reason picturing a Daisy going to an afterlife when it dies is another ridiculous thought. So are we on a higher tier of life? Putting any thought of a God aside, what makes us so special other than the fact that we’re dominantly superior over all other life on Earth. We’re alive just like everything else, we die just like everything else. In that aspect we’re equal. So either everything else must go to this afterlife, or else there is none.
I’m out of views that I’d like to share, maybe I’ll get more in the years to come. But, I’d like to know what do you think of death? What do you think happens? Why do you want your view to happen? If some one could tell you what really happens when you die, would you want to know? Or would you rather keep your own view and hopes on an afterlife? I think I would keep mine… To know what really happens, wouldn’t be right… It would ultimately change, and possibly ruin your life. I don't foresee my views on the afterlife ever changing. I just hope that those people who use their views to do stupid things during their life (like suicide bombing) dwindle in numbers over time.
Also, science actually does explain where a baby's life comes from... I don't think it's fair to say science doesn't adequately explain this. More reasonable would be a claim that science doesn't adequately explain where life originated from in the first place, but even that is questionable.
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On October 29 2007 10:31 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2007 10:06 Krohm wrote:
Another example would be Wars, how many wars are being fought for money? The Iraq war is a perfect example of this. It’s a war for Iraq’s Oil Fields. If the USA can secure them, they’ll generate trillions of dollars over the next hundred years. That’s all that war is about. Nothing more. Hundreds of people are killed there daily, over Oil. Oil generates money. If you really think the Iraq was is over anything else you’re naïve. Look at how much money USA has borrowed from other countries to help fund their war. Obviously America knows by securing those oil fields they’ll be able to pay back their debts while filling their pockets just as well. Actually, if you think it's 100.0% about oil, then you are also naive. Show nested quote +Another thing to look at though, about an “afterlife“. It does make sense in some way. If there truly is nothing after life, then what is the point of living in the first place? The fact that you just live, then die with there being nothing else afterwards sounds pretty pointless. The cycle of life is just to plain. There must be something more after life. It just makes more sense then there being simply nothing. However if that was the case, what about all other life? Would that mean that everything goes to an afterlife as well? Some reason picturing a Daisy going to an afterlife when it dies is another ridiculous thought. So are we on a higher tier of life? Putting any thought of a God aside, what makes us so special other than the fact that we’re dominantly superior over all other life on Earth. We’re alive just like everything else, we die just like everything else. In that aspect we’re equal. So either everything else must go to this afterlife, or else there is none.
I’m out of views that I’d like to share, maybe I’ll get more in the years to come. But, I’d like to know what do you think of death? What do you think happens? Why do you want your view to happen? If some one could tell you what really happens when you die, would you want to know? Or would you rather keep your own view and hopes on an afterlife? I think I would keep mine… To know what really happens, wouldn’t be right… It would ultimately change, and possibly ruin your life. I don't foresee my views on the afterlife ever changing. I just hope that those people who use their views to do stupid things during their life (like suicide bombing) dwindle in numbers over time. Also, science actually does explain where a baby's life comes from... I don't think it's fair to say science doesn't adequately explain this. More reasonable would be a claim that science doesn't adequately explain where life originated from in the first place, but even that is questionable.
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What else was the war about then? Freeing Iraq from a evil dictator? Hmm thats funny, I'm pretty sure theirs more then 1 evil dictator out there.
Oh wait I remember it was because that had weapons of mass destruction... oh wait I guess it wasn't, since there was actually no proof of anything, nor was anything found.
No, no sorry, it was because Saddam was allied with Osama Bin Landen and was helping with the financing and being a "gateway" for Al Qaeda... Oh wait a minute...
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As for science being able to explain "life" I must admit I didn't research it. I'm actually basing that on what I only know at the moment. Got any good links you'd like to share with me? I'd appreciate it, I wouldn't mind looking into it.
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United States24805 Posts
On October 29 2007 11:15 Krohm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2007 10:31 micronesia wrote:On October 29 2007 10:06 Krohm wrote:
Another example would be Wars, how many wars are being fought for money? The Iraq war is a perfect example of this. It’s a war for Iraq’s Oil Fields. If the USA can secure them, they’ll generate trillions of dollars over the next hundred years. That’s all that war is about. Nothing more. Hundreds of people are killed there daily, over Oil. Oil generates money. If you really think the Iraq was is over anything else you’re naïve. Look at how much money USA has borrowed from other countries to help fund their war. Obviously America knows by securing those oil fields they’ll be able to pay back their debts while filling their pockets just as well. Actually, if you think it's 100.0% about oil, then you are also naive. Another thing to look at though, about an “afterlife“. It does make sense in some way. If there truly is nothing after life, then what is the point of living in the first place? The fact that you just live, then die with there being nothing else afterwards sounds pretty pointless. The cycle of life is just to plain. There must be something more after life. It just makes more sense then there being simply nothing. However if that was the case, what about all other life? Would that mean that everything goes to an afterlife as well? Some reason picturing a Daisy going to an afterlife when it dies is another ridiculous thought. So are we on a higher tier of life? Putting any thought of a God aside, what makes us so special other than the fact that we’re dominantly superior over all other life on Earth. We’re alive just like everything else, we die just like everything else. In that aspect we’re equal. So either everything else must go to this afterlife, or else there is none.
I’m out of views that I’d like to share, maybe I’ll get more in the years to come. But, I’d like to know what do you think of death? What do you think happens? Why do you want your view to happen? If some one could tell you what really happens when you die, would you want to know? Or would you rather keep your own view and hopes on an afterlife? I think I would keep mine… To know what really happens, wouldn’t be right… It would ultimately change, and possibly ruin your life. I don't foresee my views on the afterlife ever changing. I just hope that those people who use their views to do stupid things during their life (like suicide bombing) dwindle in numbers over time. Also, science actually does explain where a baby's life comes from... I don't think it's fair to say science doesn't adequately explain this. More reasonable would be a claim that science doesn't adequately explain where life originated from in the first place, but even that is questionable. /troll What else was the war about then? Freeing Iraq from a evil dictator? Hmm thats funny, I'm pretty sure theirs more then 1 evil dictator out there. Oh wait I remember it was because that had weapons of mass destruction... oh wait I guess it wasn't, since there was actually no proof of anything, nor was anything found. No, no sorry, it was because Saddam was allied with Osama Bin Landen and was helping with the financing and being a "gateway" for Al Qaeda... Oh wait a minute... - - - - - As for science being able to explain "life" I must admit I didn't research it. I'm actually basing that on what I only know at the moment. Got any good links you'd like to share with me? I'd appreciate it, I wouldn't mind looking into it. I was being honest, not trolling. BTW if you want to know how science explains life you should probably start with a biology textbook and go from there. I don't recommend reading some random internet link on the topic. There is also probably no easy way to come to the conclusion that I did; it takes time/effort (probably more than I actually but in, but I'm pretty sure someone who did put in the time/effort would come to the same conclusion if they were being reasonable).
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On October 29 2007 10:06 Krohm wrote:
Religion plays a major role in this. I think religion has made life worthless to a certain extent. How many people have been killed in the name of God? Entire civilizations have been wiped out by there neighbours because they didn’t worship the same God as themselves. Also if we think there’s an after life, then death doesn‘t seem as bad as it should. People blindly throw their lives away, thinking they’ll go to Heaven when they die. What if there was concrete evidence proving that there was nothing after life. Would people hold life more dear? If there was no God, then violence wouldn’t be of this magnitude. But maybe then some sort of new conflicts would arise such as fighting for survival… But in today’s day and age. If everyone in the world shared their riches, there would be no need to kill for survival. Putting just plain old murder aside. The world would be a much better place.
Agreed fully, I've always been trying to express this idea but I couldn't seem to find the right words. People do such sick things in the name of God, and a belief in the afterlife automatically implies a reduced significance for the present life, something extremely harmful to humanity.
Sure, maybe we needed religion long long ago to bring us out of our primitive animanlistic state, but I'd like to think of it as something we've outgrown, we can maintain a stable society and look to common welfare for morals, instead of being threatened by eternal damnation.
Also, given your screen name and quote in your sig, I can tell you're into music that explores the darker sides of life. Heard of Evoken? The guy who does Krohm was in it, unless your name isn't an allusion to Krohm the band.
Anyways, good read.
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Great fucking post seriously. Everything you brought up in that post are the same conversations me and my friends have when we get baked. I always hate/fear the idea of just vanishing and becoming nothing almost as if you're sleeping without dreaming or taking a piss; just like how it is impossible to try and imagine where you were before you were born even though the earth has been around for millions of years (if science is right that the world is that old). Which brings me to the next point about religion, i was a strong believer at first but i find it difficult after watching zeitgeisti guess im more open minded to atheist and christians, i like to believe there is a god without being a christian.
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Maybe when we die, there is something more. Maybe there is an after life. Most people like to believe this. But what would be in this “after life“? From a religious stand point, there would be a Heaven. Or what ever else you may think lay waiting for you after life. You would see all your dead relatives again, you’d be happy for all eternity… All eternity is a long time… The thought of existing eternally actually frightens me more then the thought of simply not existing. Sure living eternally sounds great. Never having to fear death… but people tend to over look the simple fact that you would be forever. Eventually you would do everything, maybe it would take billions of years. But eventually you would ultimately do everything possible, over, and over… I’ve argued this idea with people who believe in an after life, but they can’t seem to understand the issue I’m representing. Who knows for sure though, maybe your understanding changes in the afterlife, and some how boredom is no longer an issue… I find that idea utterly ridiculous though.
what if doing stuff in the afterlife is like eating? you don't get sick of it 'cos once you're hungry again you'll want it again
from a religious point of view the Bible says Heaven is beyond all our understanding
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Science does explain how molecules "possibly" formed into a life form, but that is probably the weakest and most doubted theory in Biology.
Other than that, great post. I completely agree with you on your thoughts on death. I personally just beleive with the logical science where there's simply nothing after death. We're just a big mix of molecules with something called consciousness anyways. Consciousness isnt materialistic. it is not something composed of atoms. If a table was given "cousciousness" somehow, it will not gain any extra mass. When a person die, he will not lose mass neither. It is purely something that resides inside our mind and stays within.
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On October 29 2007 19:57 JesusCruxRH wrote:Show nested quote +Maybe when we die, there is something more. Maybe there is an after life. Most people like to believe this. But what would be in this “after life“? From a religious stand point, there would be a Heaven. Or what ever else you may think lay waiting for you after life. You would see all your dead relatives again, you’d be happy for all eternity… All eternity is a long time… The thought of existing eternally actually frightens me more then the thought of simply not existing. Sure living eternally sounds great. Never having to fear death… but people tend to over look the simple fact that you would be forever. Eventually you would do everything, maybe it would take billions of years. But eventually you would ultimately do everything possible, over, and over… I’ve argued this idea with people who believe in an after life, but they can’t seem to understand the issue I’m representing. Who knows for sure though, maybe your understanding changes in the afterlife, and some how boredom is no longer an issue… I find that idea utterly ridiculous though.
what if doing stuff in the afterlife is like eating? you don't get sick of it 'cos once you're hungry again you'll want it again from a religious point of view the Bible says Heaven is beyond all our understanding
Given an infinite amount of time i'm sure you'd get sick of every possible combination of food, hell i get sick of pizza if i have it everyday for a week.
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