After much research I have come to the conclusion that the Great Pyramid functioned as a ‘diagnostic solid state device’, a machine that worked without moving parts to measure and understand the earth and the cosmos.
The tiles on the underlying super structure are precisely cut to not only align with the bedrock but also the pyramid itself to maximize the sympathetic resonance the edifice experienced.
Christopher Dunn’s theory that Great Pyramid functioned as coupled resonator holds up when examined in relation to its dimensions (and location) and the Earth’s. I reject Dunn’s hypothesis that Pyramid had moving fuel or parts on the grounds that the inner surfaces of the passages and chambers of the Great Pyramid are too perfect and show negligible wear or corrosion or build up.
I suggest that the ancients would measure the sympathetic resonance of the Great Pyramid by entering its various chambers and taking readings on its tone, vibrations and more. These recordings where gathered to form a resonance record. The record would be periodical and predicable over time. By studying the fluctuations in the resonance record the ancients were able to measure changes in the Earth’s state. The states/changes could be as broad as seasonal changes/duration, tectonic, hydrospheric, P + S waves, astronomic impacts, Earth’s position, rotation, precession, electromagnetic variation (https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.5026556) and more. It is also possible that the ancients used the resonance record to make future predictions based on repeating patterns and what followed them as a kind of high percentage augury. This interpretation also makes sense when looking at what the Hermes Trismegistus scholars had to say about the pyramid as kind of vessel for all spiritual/ scientific knowledge of the ancient Egyptians.
As for the construction of the pyramids, I opt for the strange. I believe that the ancients had a method of plasticizing stone. The closest description I have ever read or found is Solomon’s Shamir (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_shamir). Ignoring the Asmodeus sections, one can hypothesize that the shamir was an extremely powerful radiation source that could be focused to plasticize stone before cutting or shaping. Such a method would allow even soft metals or saws to cut the stone and leave the fine thread grooves observed both in the circular saw marks and the incredible tubular drill holes. The best example I have found as evidence of such a process is the famous ‘half cut granite box’ in the Cairo Museum (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDVcF8VL1VU&t=78s) Observe the elongated mark of denatured stone ahead of the cutting groove. This has been exposed to a ‘Shamir like’ device before the cutting began. It is also possible that the ‘nubs’ found on so much megalithic stone work is a result of impurities in the shamir leading to inconsistent plasticization.
It is telling that when Solomon came to build his temple he was only able to find a piece of Shamir the size of a barley corn. It is possible then that the ‘lost ancient high technology’ espoused by so many is in fact a case of an unknown naturally occurring substance that dissipates, sublimates or denatures over time like a radiation source with a short half life. I find this explanation more intellectually satisfying than other proposed methods.
On October 27 2019 16:31 Ej_ wrote: Or maybe it is a pile of rocks.
It is hard to believe it is just a pile of rocks, the precision with which it was made is astounding, the underlying platform on which it was made is of such a high quality of work we would struggle to do it today, not to mention its exact dimensions (which mirror Earth - scaled down), orientation to true north and position on Earth. If you are at all interested, I suggest you investigate it.
It's just impresive human monument, nothing more or less. No highter technical knowledge is required to explain for building that monuments. Also it's alleged "precision" of placing blocks so perfectly that you cannot put a sheet of paper between one block and another is a myth - there are fragments that look so, but there are many where you could even stick a fragment of small finger inside. While it could been placed in accordance to solar or even stellar cycles, it also might be just pure estetic design based on known-than symethry mathematics and extraordinary stoning/crafting abilities of than-living humans. Ancient Egyptians were geniuses of the pre-classic era, far from primitive cavemen "who couldnt invent wheel" that many hard-try Daniken-like guys paint them. They known cyrcle as geometric figure, the (probably wrong) asumption they has not known wheel is because there is no evidence of chariot using before the wars with "sea people". Egyptians could know carts - and they would not be a usefull machines of war without horses. The early evidence of using horses in Egypt are pretty late (1700 BC), and cows aren't the fastest animal right there. We also know that rock blocks were not transported with a wheels - they used wet sliders instead (Wet wood can be pretty slippy, every guy on the primitive lake pier can try that )
Edit: also, using huge blocks of rocks is NOT a proof of advanced technical civilisation but in contrary something opposed - More primitive civilisation, the more fond of using great blocks. More advanced - more fond of using smaller pieces to build anything.
On October 27 2019 16:36 AxiomBlurr wrote: the underlying platform on which it was made is of such a high quality of work we would struggle to do it today.
Not at all. We can lift a magnitude greater weights into air than the heaviest block used in great pyramids, and we can build with even greater precision than ancient Egyptians could ever hope for. TBH La Manche tunnel is more impresive technologycal structure than pyramids (even when more fragile - but pile of rocks is supposed to be stable).
On October 27 2019 11:49 AxiomBlurr wrote: After much research I have come to the conclusion that the Great Pyramid functioned as a ‘diagnostic solid state device’, a machine that worked without moving parts to measure and understand the earth and the cosmos....
I read this and laughed so hard I stopped right there.
Pyramids are surely fascinating. To me even more fascinating is how much hogwash can people generate when they combine actual physics with fairy tales. The human spirit is just something else!
I read the title and thought it was about how ancient egyptiant states used the pyramides as "solid state devise" to consolidate themself by creating a physical and durable manifestation of their existence.
I now know that I, in fact, was about to discover the secret of the universe.
It was sited and constructed in such a way as to align with various constellations and such, the rays of the sun and moon at certain times and dates entering important chambers through airshafts, that kind of thing. That is the case for many monuments and tombs etc. all over the world from antiquity. People back then could handle the mathematics to do that stuff just fine
Doesn't require aliens or lost civilizations or anything of that nature, just plain old human intelligence
On October 28 2019 10:04 DeepElemBlues wrote: It was sited and constructed in such a way as to align with various constellations and such, the rays of the sun and moon at certain times and dates entering important chambers through airshafts, that kind of thing. That is the case for many monuments and tombs etc. all over the world from antiquity. People back then could handle the mathematics to do that stuff just fine
Doesn't require aliens or lost civilizations or anything of that nature, just plain old human intelligence
Agreed, no aliens, but potentially lost tech, the stone cutting the pyramid builders did was insane. Also the measurements of the monument indicate knowledge of the geometry of the earth to an astonishing degree.
On October 27 2019 22:05 opisska wrote: Pyramids are surely fascinating. To me even more fascinating is how much hogwash can people generate when they combine actual physics with fairy tales. The human spirit is just something else!
The gp was built on a scale of 43200: 1 to Earth. Just as when you strike a deep E string on a guitar, the high E string sympathetically resonates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_resonance), the gp would resonate in sympathy to the Earth's naturally occurring resonance.
Whilst I do not believe all of Hancock's conclusions, his measurements are accurate and lend at least a modicum of plausibility to my suggested idea.
On October 28 2019 04:38 Apom wrote: and here I thought pyramids were solidified chemtrails
Almost.
Actually most of the pyramids are built with majority limestone, which as you would know is a carbonate sedimentary rock often composed of the skeletal fragments of marine organisms such as coral, foraminifera, and molluscs.
Best put on your tin foil hat whilst we are making redundant comments.
On October 27 2019 11:49 AxiomBlurr wrote: After much research I have come to the conclusion that the Great Pyramid functioned as a ‘diagnostic solid state device’, a machine that worked without moving parts to measure and understand the earth and the cosmos....
I read this and laughed so hard I stopped right there.
On October 28 2019 04:35 CoupdeBoule wrote: Pyramides are soul-shafts
This is interesting, care to elaborate...????
Do you give credence to everything strange that you hear or do you actually have a reason to find the notion that pyramids would be "soul-shafts" interesting?
I ask because it seems to me like there are impressionable people out there who are so eager to be in possession of some special arcane knowledge that they'll latch onto any explanation and take hearsay to be evidence. I've heard people say and write with the same type of loose "evidence" that Pyramids were power plants and spaceships and all manner of far-fetched nonsense with loose evidence, sometimes entirely based on non-substantiated evidence provided by youtube videos.
What's wrong with the official given by experts and scientists who went to the pyramids and studied them first hand, using years of accrued knowledge to perfect their craft. They didn't watch youtube videos made by people who regularly lie, misinterpret or misunderstand information, or just speculate wildly. And what's wrong with just accepting that sometimes we don't know things, we don't know all the details.
There are many claims that you make in your post that are VERY bold and would require a lot of evidence to support.
1- "the Great Pyramid functioned as a ‘diagnostic solid state device" That's a very bold claim, a straight up affirmation that you make with no reserve and seemingly no doubt. The rest of the post is expected to provide evidence for that claim.
2- "passages and chambers of the Great Pyramid are too perfect and show negligible wear or corrosion or build up" While it is true that the Great Pyramid is impressive, people who try to make pyramids out to be these supernatural constructs all too often completely mischaracterize the "perfection" of the pyramids. It's a myth used as a baseline to make more supernatural claims. Yes, they were a feat of engineering but they are not perfect.
3- "studying the fluctuations in the resonance record the ancients were able to measure changes in the Earth’s state." It is clear that a structure like this (much like many large structures, man made and otherwise), will have some notable physical property. How can you affirm seemingly without a doubt that these physical properties, in this case the electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid, was harnessed (or even noticed) by the "ancients"? Do you have any reason to believe that they tried to use those properties? Do you have reasons to believe that they successfully did so? If so, why do you think they could? Also as a layman, what does that paper have to do with resonance, vibration and sounds?
Anyway that's enough for me. I don't know as much as I would like about the natural world, but part of my training taught me that people who make bold claims that are unsupported by science such as those made in OP tend to have low standards for what constitutes evidence.
On October 28 2019 04:35 CoupdeBoule wrote: Pyramides are soul-shafts
This is interesting, care to elaborate...????
Do you give credence to everything strange that you hear or do you actually have a reason to find the notion that pyramids would be "soul-shafts" interesting?
I ask because it seems to me like there are impressionable people out there who are so eager to be in possession of some special arcane knowledge that they'll latch onto any explanation and take hearsay to be evidence. I've heard people say and write with the same type of loose "evidence" that Pyramids were power plants and spaceships and all manner of far-fetched nonsense with loose evidence, sometimes entirely based on non-substantiated evidence provided by youtube videos.
What's wrong with the official given by experts and scientists who went to the pyramids and studied them first hand, using years of accrued knowledge to perfect their craft. They didn't watch youtube videos made by people who regularly lie, misinterpret or misunderstand information, or just speculate wildly. And what's wrong with just accepting that sometimes we don't know things, we don't know all the details.
There are many claims that you make in your post that are VERY bold and would require a lot of evidence to support.
1- "the Great Pyramid functioned as a ‘diagnostic solid state device" That's a very bold claim, a straight up affirmation that you make with no reserve and seemingly no doubt. The rest of the post is expected to provide evidence for that claim.
2- "passages and chambers of the Great Pyramid are too perfect and show negligible wear or corrosion or build up" While it is true that the Great Pyramid is impressive, people who try to make pyramids out to be these supernatural constructs all too often completely mischaracterize the "perfection" of the pyramids. It's a myth used as a baseline to make more supernatural claims. Yes, they were a feat of engineering but they are not perfect.
3- "studying the fluctuations in the resonance record the ancients were able to measure changes in the Earth’s state." It is clear that a structure like this (much like many large structures, man made and otherwise), will have some notable physical property. How can you affirm seemingly without a doubt that these physical properties, in this case the electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid, was harnessed (or even noticed) by the "ancients"? Do you have any reason to believe that they tried to use those properties? Do you have reasons to believe that they successfully did so? If so, why do you think they could? Also as a layman, what does that paper have to do with resonance, vibration and sounds?
Anyway that's enough for me. I don't know as much as I would like about the natural world, but part of my training taught me that people who make bold claims that are unsupported by science such as those made in OP tend to have low standards for what constitutes evidence.
I asked about the 'soul shafts' as I am open minded and am happy to have an admittedly outlandish idea of my own proved wrong if it advances my own or another's understanding.
I will try my best to elucidate my position:
At first I listened to the official explanation given by mainstream historians and Egyptologists, but then I came across the studies of Randall Carlson and Robert Schoch and I discovered that many of the claims made by the mainstream failed to account for the evidence seen at the Giza Plateau (the age of sphinx, the proposed time it took to construct the gp, the methodologies utilized in its construction, the refutation that the geometry of the pyramid relates to the size of the Earth, its axis, the oldest granite work and construction work on the Giza Plateau is of higher quality than the new work, and more).
As for the measuring of vibrations of the gp, naturally I cannot attest with certainty that the ancients knew of electromagnetic properties, however the paper I referenced shows how the gp focuses electromagnetic energy. I find it to be an uncanny phenomenon to have been accidentally built into one of the most enigmatic constructions on the planet. None the less, we are on more certain ground when we assert the ancients knew of music and its associated vibrations.
Really, saying the gp is a diagnostic solid state device, is only saying it was a precisely constructed monument built with mathematics/ science for the purpose of further mathematics/ science, the rest is just imaginative speculation on my behalf.
On October 27 2019 22:05 opisska wrote: Pyramids are surely fascinating. To me even more fascinating is how much hogwash can people generate when they combine actual physics with fairy tales. The human spirit is just something else!
The gp was built on a scale of 43200: 1 to Earth. Just as when you strike a deep E string on a guitar, the high E string sympathetically resonates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_resonance), the gp would resonate in sympathy to the Earth's naturally occurring resonance.
Whilst I do not believe all of Hancock's conclusions, his measurements are accurate and lend at least a modicum of plausibility to my suggested idea.
A scale with respect to what? What do you mean by "Earth's naturally occuring resonance"? The interior of the Earth is too complex, layered and even partially liquid to act for it to show any specific resonant behaviour. Until you provide specific physical explanations for your term I (and anyone with physics knowledge) will consider this to be a vague mambo jumbo about "resonances" that pseudo-scientificly inclined people like to repeat ad nauseum without it having any substance.
On October 28 2019 04:35 CoupdeBoule wrote: Pyramides are soul-shafts
This is interesting, care to elaborate...????
According to Ancient Egyptian mythology and cosmology, they believed one’s soul had to travel to a specific star constallation (name eludes me) where one would be judged by the Gods and if one were deemed worthy, one might be elevated to become a star. There are shafts in the pyramides that are directed at these star constallations. That’s about it.
On October 28 2019 04:35 CoupdeBoule wrote: Pyramides are soul-shafts
This is interesting, care to elaborate...????
According to Ancient Egyptian mythology and cosmology, they believed one’s soul had to travel to a specific star constallation (name eludes me) where one would be judged by the Gods and if one were deemed worthy, one might be elevated to become a star. There are shafts in the pyramides that are directed at these star constallations. That’s about it.
From what epoch? Egyptian religion had as long evolution as classic , medieval and modern eras combined.
BTW I know the answer, I just urge you to put informations in discution into chronological context to avoid confusion.
On October 28 2019 04:35 CoupdeBoule wrote: Pyramides are soul-shafts
This is interesting, care to elaborate...????
Do you give credence to everything strange that you hear or do you actually have a reason to find the notion that pyramids would be "soul-shafts" interesting?
I ask because it seems to me like there are impressionable people out there who are so eager to be in possession of some special arcane knowledge that they'll latch onto any explanation and take hearsay to be evidence. I've heard people say and write with the same type of loose "evidence" that Pyramids were power plants and spaceships and all manner of far-fetched nonsense with loose evidence, sometimes entirely based on non-substantiated evidence provided by youtube videos.
What's wrong with the official given by experts and scientists who went to the pyramids and studied them first hand, using years of accrued knowledge to perfect their craft. They didn't watch youtube videos made by people who regularly lie, misinterpret or misunderstand information, or just speculate wildly. And what's wrong with just accepting that sometimes we don't know things, we don't know all the details.
There are many claims that you make in your post that are VERY bold and would require a lot of evidence to support.
1- "the Great Pyramid functioned as a ‘diagnostic solid state device" That's a very bold claim, a straight up affirmation that you make with no reserve and seemingly no doubt. The rest of the post is expected to provide evidence for that claim.
2- "passages and chambers of the Great Pyramid are too perfect and show negligible wear or corrosion or build up" While it is true that the Great Pyramid is impressive, people who try to make pyramids out to be these supernatural constructs all too often completely mischaracterize the "perfection" of the pyramids. It's a myth used as a baseline to make more supernatural claims. Yes, they were a feat of engineering but they are not perfect.
3- "studying the fluctuations in the resonance record the ancients were able to measure changes in the Earth’s state." It is clear that a structure like this (much like many large structures, man made and otherwise), will have some notable physical property. How can you affirm seemingly without a doubt that these physical properties, in this case the electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid, was harnessed (or even noticed) by the "ancients"? Do you have any reason to believe that they tried to use those properties? Do you have reasons to believe that they successfully did so? If so, why do you think they could? Also as a layman, what does that paper have to do with resonance, vibration and sounds?
Anyway that's enough for me. I don't know as much as I would like about the natural world, but part of my training taught me that people who make bold claims that are unsupported by science such as those made in OP tend to have low standards for what constitutes evidence.
I asked about the 'soul shafts' as I am open minded and am happy to have an admittedly outlandish idea of my own proved wrong if it advances my own or another's understanding. At first I listened to the official explanation given by mainstream historians and Egyptologists, but then I came across the studies of Randall Carlson and Robert Schoch and I discovered that many of the claims made by the mainstream failed to account for the evidence seen at the Giza Plateau (the age of sphinx, the proposed time it took to construct the gp, the methodologies utilized in its construction, the refutation that the geometry of the pyramid relates to the size of the Earth, its axis, the oldest granite work and construction work on the Giza Plateau is of higher quality than the new work, and more).
The problem is that it's impossible to prove a negative, and also it's impossible to have a foothold when having an argument with someone who accepts "evidence" seemingly at random. You mention Randall Carlson who seems to hold beliefs which go against the scientific consensus and has no credentials, and Robert M. Schoch who seems to be a doctor I don't know much about his studies but it seems like he uses a single data point, erosion patterns, to make a pretty wild conclusion about the age of the Sphinx. That is not conclusive evidence by any stretch of the imagination.
History and anthropology is very rigorous scientific work, geology is as well. Jumping at hypotheses about the life of ancient people based on the wild assertions made from a handful of rogue academics who's claims don't pass the test of peer review is dangerous because you built your theories on shaky grounds.
As for the measuring of vibrations of the gp, naturally I cannot attest with certainty that the ancients knew of electromagnetic properties, however the paper I referenced shows how the gp focuses electromagnetic energy. I find it to be an uncanny phenomenon to have been accidentally built into one of the most enigmatic constructions on the planet. None the less, we are on more certain ground when we assert the ancients knew of music and its associated vibrations.
Really, saying the gp is a diagnostic solid state device, is only saying it was a precisely constructed monument built with mathematics/ science for the purpose of further mathematics/ science, the rest is just imaginative speculation on my behalf.
Alright well if you call it imaginative speculation I'm fine with that. I don't know enough about physics to be able to understand really what it means that the Great Pyramid focuses electromagnetic energy, but what I know is that structural engineers, especially those who build large and complex structures, deal with a variety of strange phenomenons of physics and they need to account of them, ranging from bridges emitting strange high pitched sounds, buildings collapsing due to resonance, vibrations, etc. It wouldn't be surprise me if a slew of other constructs, modern and ancient, had similar characteristics that were not designed for.
Given that pyramids are large and dense structures with pretty precise shapes and cavities and tunnels, it seems pretty reasonable to me that they would inherently have physical properties that aren't witnessed in any other constructs. Other buildings don't have walls that thick and dense, caves and tunnels through mountains tend to have uneven walls and such.
As for music, of course ancient Egyptians knew it, but to go from knowledge of music to being able to determine things about the cosmos based on vibrations in a hollowed out space seems like a big leap to me. Whatever information you may be able to gather from such vibrations is probably extremely limited even with modern instruments.
Lastly I want to apologize if I came off as overly antagonistic. Cheers.
On October 28 2019 04:35 CoupdeBoule wrote: Pyramides are soul-shafts
This is interesting, care to elaborate...????
Do you give credence to everything strange that you hear or do you actually have a reason to find the notion that pyramids would be "soul-shafts" interesting?
I ask because it seems to me like there are impressionable people out there who are so eager to be in possession of some special arcane knowledge that they'll latch onto any explanation and take hearsay to be evidence. I've heard people say and write with the same type of loose "evidence" that Pyramids were power plants and spaceships and all manner of far-fetched nonsense with loose evidence, sometimes entirely based on non-substantiated evidence provided by youtube videos.
What's wrong with the official given by experts and scientists who went to the pyramids and studied them first hand, using years of accrued knowledge to perfect their craft. They didn't watch youtube videos made by people who regularly lie, misinterpret or misunderstand information, or just speculate wildly. And what's wrong with just accepting that sometimes we don't know things, we don't know all the details.
There are many claims that you make in your post that are VERY bold and would require a lot of evidence to support.
1- "the Great Pyramid functioned as a ‘diagnostic solid state device" That's a very bold claim, a straight up affirmation that you make with no reserve and seemingly no doubt. The rest of the post is expected to provide evidence for that claim.
2- "passages and chambers of the Great Pyramid are too perfect and show negligible wear or corrosion or build up" While it is true that the Great Pyramid is impressive, people who try to make pyramids out to be these supernatural constructs all too often completely mischaracterize the "perfection" of the pyramids. It's a myth used as a baseline to make more supernatural claims. Yes, they were a feat of engineering but they are not perfect.
3- "studying the fluctuations in the resonance record the ancients were able to measure changes in the Earth’s state." It is clear that a structure like this (much like many large structures, man made and otherwise), will have some notable physical property. How can you affirm seemingly without a doubt that these physical properties, in this case the electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid, was harnessed (or even noticed) by the "ancients"? Do you have any reason to believe that they tried to use those properties? Do you have reasons to believe that they successfully did so? If so, why do you think they could? Also as a layman, what does that paper have to do with resonance, vibration and sounds?
Anyway that's enough for me. I don't know as much as I would like about the natural world, but part of my training taught me that people who make bold claims that are unsupported by science such as those made in OP tend to have low standards for what constitutes evidence.
I asked about the 'soul shafts' as I am open minded and am happy to have an admittedly outlandish idea of my own proved wrong if it advances my own or another's understanding. At first I listened to the official explanation given by mainstream historians and Egyptologists, but then I came across the studies of Randall Carlson and Robert Schoch and I discovered that many of the claims made by the mainstream failed to account for the evidence seen at the Giza Plateau (the age of sphinx, the proposed time it took to construct the gp, the methodologies utilized in its construction, the refutation that the geometry of the pyramid relates to the size of the Earth, its axis, the oldest granite work and construction work on the Giza Plateau is of higher quality than the new work, and more).
The problem is that it's impossible to prove a negative, and also it's impossible to have a foothold when having an argument with someone who accepts "evidence" seemingly at random. You mention Randall Carlson who seems to hold beliefs which go against the scientific consensus and has no credentials, and Robert M. Schoch who seems to be a doctor I don't know much about his studies but it seems like he uses a single data point, erosion patterns, to make a pretty wild conclusion about the age of the Sphinx. That is not conclusive evidence by any stretch of the imagination.
History and anthropology is very rigorous scientific work, geology is as well. Jumping at hypotheses about the life of ancient people based on the wild assertions made from a handful of rogue academics who's claims don't pass the test of peer review is dangerous because you built your theories on shaky grounds.
As for the measuring of vibrations of the gp, naturally I cannot attest with certainty that the ancients knew of electromagnetic properties, however the paper I referenced shows how the gp focuses electromagnetic energy. I find it to be an uncanny phenomenon to have been accidentally built into one of the most enigmatic constructions on the planet. None the less, we are on more certain ground when we assert the ancients knew of music and its associated vibrations.
Really, saying the gp is a diagnostic solid state device, is only saying it was a precisely constructed monument built with mathematics/ science for the purpose of further mathematics/ science, the rest is just imaginative speculation on my behalf.
Alright well if you call it imaginative speculation I'm fine with that. I don't know enough about physics to be able to understand really what it means that the Great Pyramid focuses electromagnetic energy, but what I know is that structural engineers, especially those who build large and complex structures, deal with a variety of strange phenomenons of physics and they need to account of them, ranging from bridges emitting strange high pitched sounds, buildings collapsing due to resonance, vibrations, etc. It wouldn't be surprise me if a slew of other constructs, modern and ancient, had similar characteristics that were not designed for.
Given that pyramids are large and dense structures with pretty precise shapes and cavities and tunnels, it seems pretty reasonable to me that they would inherently have physical properties that aren't witnessed in any other constructs. Other buildings don't have walls that thick and dense, caves and tunnels through mountains tend to have uneven walls and such.
As for music, of course ancient Egyptians knew it, but to go from knowledge of music to being able to determine things about the cosmos based on vibrations in a hollowed out space seems like a big leap to me. Whatever information you may be able to gather from such vibrations is probably extremely limited even with modern instruments.
Lastly I want to apologize if I came off as overly antagonistic. Cheers.
Mostly this kind of stuff. Even on a modern well-made simple guitar you have to adjust it from time to time as the intonation goes off. Open string, fretted at 12th and fretted at the 24th should be the exact same note up an octave and up again at those positions, but it can slip slightly and need tweaking.
That’s a simple stringed instrument in the modern era and it can still not adhere perfectly to frequency expectations, I can’t see how an entire building built in ancient times is going to have any specifically built in properties to study or use resonance somehow.
While an absence of evidence isn’t evidence in and of itself, especially for that long ago, the fact we’ve never found any kind of record in all sorts of Ancient places for the more outlandish claims of what structures were for, but we’ve found plenty of stuff about all sorts of other things they were up to.
They are interesting theories and seem plausible read in isolation, which is why peer review is important. Dr Scotch’s claims about erosion and the Sphinx for example, well I don’t know anything about erosion patterns, to either agree or debunk the claims.
On October 28 2019 04:35 CoupdeBoule wrote: Pyramides are soul-shafts
This is interesting, care to elaborate...????
Do you give credence to everything strange that you hear or do you actually have a reason to find the notion that pyramids would be "soul-shafts" interesting?
I ask because it seems to me like there are impressionable people out there who are so eager to be in possession of some special arcane knowledge that they'll latch onto any explanation and take hearsay to be evidence. I've heard people say and write with the same type of loose "evidence" that Pyramids were power plants and spaceships and all manner of far-fetched nonsense with loose evidence, sometimes entirely based on non-substantiated evidence provided by youtube videos.
What's wrong with the official given by experts and scientists who went to the pyramids and studied them first hand, using years of accrued knowledge to perfect their craft. They didn't watch youtube videos made by people who regularly lie, misinterpret or misunderstand information, or just speculate wildly. And what's wrong with just accepting that sometimes we don't know things, we don't know all the details.
There are many claims that you make in your post that are VERY bold and would require a lot of evidence to support.
1- "the Great Pyramid functioned as a ‘diagnostic solid state device" That's a very bold claim, a straight up affirmation that you make with no reserve and seemingly no doubt. The rest of the post is expected to provide evidence for that claim.
2- "passages and chambers of the Great Pyramid are too perfect and show negligible wear or corrosion or build up" While it is true that the Great Pyramid is impressive, people who try to make pyramids out to be these supernatural constructs all too often completely mischaracterize the "perfection" of the pyramids. It's a myth used as a baseline to make more supernatural claims. Yes, they were a feat of engineering but they are not perfect.
3- "studying the fluctuations in the resonance record the ancients were able to measure changes in the Earth’s state." It is clear that a structure like this (much like many large structures, man made and otherwise), will have some notable physical property. How can you affirm seemingly without a doubt that these physical properties, in this case the electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid, was harnessed (or even noticed) by the "ancients"? Do you have any reason to believe that they tried to use those properties? Do you have reasons to believe that they successfully did so? If so, why do you think they could? Also as a layman, what does that paper have to do with resonance, vibration and sounds?
Anyway that's enough for me. I don't know as much as I would like about the natural world, but part of my training taught me that people who make bold claims that are unsupported by science such as those made in OP tend to have low standards for what constitutes evidence.
I asked about the 'soul shafts' as I am open minded and am happy to have an admittedly outlandish idea of my own proved wrong if it advances my own or another's understanding. At first I listened to the official explanation given by mainstream historians and Egyptologists, but then I came across the studies of Randall Carlson and Robert Schoch and I discovered that many of the claims made by the mainstream failed to account for the evidence seen at the Giza Plateau (the age of sphinx, the proposed time it took to construct the gp, the methodologies utilized in its construction, the refutation that the geometry of the pyramid relates to the size of the Earth, its axis, the oldest granite work and construction work on the Giza Plateau is of higher quality than the new work, and more).
The problem is that it's impossible to prove a negative, and also it's impossible to have a foothold when having an argument with someone who accepts "evidence" seemingly at random. You mention Randall Carlson who seems to hold beliefs which go against the scientific consensus and has no credentials, and Robert M. Schoch who seems to be a doctor I don't know much about his studies but it seems like he uses a single data point, erosion patterns, to make a pretty wild conclusion about the age of the Sphinx. That is not conclusive evidence by any stretch of the imagination.
History and anthropology is very rigorous scientific work, geology is as well. Jumping at hypotheses about the life of ancient people based on the wild assertions made from a handful of rogue academics who's claims don't pass the test of peer review is dangerous because you built your theories on shaky grounds.
As for the measuring of vibrations of the gp, naturally I cannot attest with certainty that the ancients knew of electromagnetic properties, however the paper I referenced shows how the gp focuses electromagnetic energy. I find it to be an uncanny phenomenon to have been accidentally built into one of the most enigmatic constructions on the planet. None the less, we are on more certain ground when we assert the ancients knew of music and its associated vibrations.
Really, saying the gp is a diagnostic solid state device, is only saying it was a precisely constructed monument built with mathematics/ science for the purpose of further mathematics/ science, the rest is just imaginative speculation on my behalf.
Alright well if you call it imaginative speculation I'm fine with that. I don't know enough about physics to be able to understand really what it means that the Great Pyramid focuses electromagnetic energy, but what I know is that structural engineers, especially those who build large and complex structures, deal with a variety of strange phenomenons of physics and they need to account of them, ranging from bridges emitting strange high pitched sounds, buildings collapsing due to resonance, vibrations, etc. It wouldn't be surprise me if a slew of other constructs, modern and ancient, had similar characteristics that were not designed for.
Given that pyramids are large and dense structures with pretty precise shapes and cavities and tunnels, it seems pretty reasonable to me that they would inherently have physical properties that aren't witnessed in any other constructs. Other buildings don't have walls that thick and dense, caves and tunnels through mountains tend to have uneven walls and such.
As for music, of course ancient Egyptians knew it, but to go from knowledge of music to being able to determine things about the cosmos based on vibrations in a hollowed out space seems like a big leap to me. Whatever information you may be able to gather from such vibrations is probably extremely limited even with modern instruments.
Lastly I want to apologize if I came off as overly antagonistic. Cheers.
Mostly this kind of stuff. Even on a modern well-made simple guitar you have to adjust it from time to time as the intonation goes off. Open string, fretted at 12th and fretted at the 24th should be the exact same note up an octave and up again at those positions, but it can slip slightly and need tweaking.
That’s a simple stringed instrument in the modern era and it can still not adhere perfectly to frequency expectations, I can’t see how an entire building built in ancient times is going to have any specifically built in properties to study or use resonance somehow.
While an absence of evidence isn’t evidence in and of itself, especially for that long ago, the fact we’ve never found any kind of record in all sorts of Ancient places for the more outlandish claims of what structures were for, but we’ve found plenty of stuff about all sorts of other things they were up to.
They are interesting theories and seem plausible read in isolation, which is why peer review is important. Dr Scotch’s claims about erosion and the Sphinx for example, well I don’t know anything about erosion patterns, to either agree or debunk the claims.
I definitely don't know enough to debunk or confirm anything he said but I find it hard to go against the scientific consensus in general. These are very smart people who are passionate and take pride in their work. If the vast majority of them find that an anomaly in erosion patterns doesn't constitute sufficient evidence to make an affirmation, I tend to believe them.
I mean how many times are geologists surprised by stuff. If you google the words "erosion faster than expected" you'll get a bunch of results.
On October 28 2019 04:35 CoupdeBoule wrote: Pyramides are soul-shafts
This is interesting, care to elaborate...????
According to Ancient Egyptian mythology and cosmology, they believed one’s soul had to travel to a specific star constallation (name eludes me) where one would be judged by the Gods and if one were deemed worthy, one might be elevated to become a star. There are shafts in the pyramides that are directed at these star constallations. That’s about it.
From what epoch? Egyptian religion had as long evolution as classic , medieval and modern eras combined.
BTW I know the answer, I just urge you to put informations in discution into chronological context to avoid confusion.
Yeah I know what you’re saying. I was just offering a very rough introduction to the concept.
i always thought it was very cool that the sides lined up with the cardinal directions. and that it was such a massive structure created without sophisticated machinery. but still, if you throw enough slaves at something and don't give a shit whether they die, you can create a lot of cool shit.
On October 28 2019 19:46 IntoTheStorm wrote: Seeing all the interest, this post sparkled, I can only state this:
I am amazed at the skill of the op into luring people to read and to express themselves.
Provoking discussion about Pyramids or any ancient monument is easy mode, because there is/was too many guys who believe in some fridge theories about them and it's too difficult to find out who is serious and who is not.
On October 28 2019 19:46 IntoTheStorm wrote: Seeing all the interest, this post sparkled, I can only state this:
I am amazed at the skill of the op into luring people to read and to express themselves.
Provoking discussion about Pyramids or any ancient monument is easy mode, because there is/was too many guys who believe in some fridge theories about them and it's too difficult to find out who is serious and who is not.
Wait you’re telling me the Pyramids were some Ancient Egyptian giant industrial scale meat locker?!
On October 28 2019 19:46 IntoTheStorm wrote: Seeing all the interest, this post sparkled, I can only state this:
I am amazed at the skill of the op into luring people to read and to express themselves.
Provoking discussion about Pyramids or any ancient monument is easy mode, because there is/was too many guys who believe in some fridge theories about them and it's too difficult to find out who is serious and who is not.
Wait you’re telling me the Pyramids were some Ancient Egyptian giant industrial scale meat locker?!
I wouldnt be surprised.
Ofc it should be "fringe", but I wouldnt be a true Pollack if my english was perfect
On October 28 2019 19:46 IntoTheStorm wrote: Seeing all the interest, this post sparkled, I can only state this:
I am amazed at the skill of the op into luring people to read and to express themselves.
Provoking discussion about Pyramids or any ancient monument is easy mode, because there is/was too many guys who believe in some fridge theories about them and it's too difficult to find out who is serious and who is not.
Wait you’re telling me the Pyramids were some Ancient Egyptian giant industrial scale meat locker?!
It kind of is a giant, industrial grade, meat locker. That's why they stored dead bodies in it.
The team coach's daughter suffered from chronic brutal migraines. After sleeping with a Pyramid under her bed her migraines went away.
The Toronto Maple Leafs went 3-0 against the Stanley Cup champions with Pyramids under their bench and a 12 foot pyramid in their dressing room.
Leading Egyptologist Alejandro Lipschutz concluded the pyramids channeled van der waals cell interactions making the players stronger.
Dr. Lipschutz also noted that the channeling process experiences white noise interference whenever the Stanley Cup is nearby and this dampens the helpfulness of the Pyramids. Note the shape of the Stanley Cup.
As the Van der waal forces go thru the pyramid they are then counter acted by the presence of the nearby Stanley Cup which consists of almost pure silver or Ag as is known in the scientific world. The diagram below demonstrates this.
This complex interaction of hamiltonian forces and sub atomic particles combined with uncertain quantum states has proven to be a sufficient reason why the Toronto Maple Leafs have not won the Stanley Cup in 52 years.
The equation is here. you simply solve for x and t. −iℏ∂ψ(x,t)∂t = Hψ(x,t)
Dr. Lipschutz also noted that the channeling process experiences white noise interference whenever the Stanley Cup is nearby and this dampens the helpfulness of the Pyramids. Note the shape of the Stanley Cup.
As the Van der waal forces go thru the pyramid they are then counter acted by the presence of the nearby Stanley Cup which consists of almost pure silver or Ag as is known in the scientific world. The diagram below demonstrates this.
This complex interaction of hamiltonian forces and sub atomic particles combined with uncertain quantum states has proven to be a sufficient reason why the Toronto Maple Leafs have not won the Stanley Cup in 52 years.
The equation is here. you simply solve for x and t. −iℏ∂ψ(x,t)∂t = Hψ(x,t)
That is some crazy ish right there!! But I love it! Yes I am a pyramidiot!
Dr. Lipschutz also noted that the channeling process experiences white noise interference whenever the Stanley Cup is nearby and this dampens the helpfulness of the Pyramids. Note the shape of the Stanley Cup.
As the Van der waal forces go thru the pyramid they are then counter acted by the presence of the nearby Stanley Cup which consists of almost pure silver or Ag as is known in the scientific world. The diagram below demonstrates this.
This complex interaction of hamiltonian forces and sub atomic particles combined with uncertain quantum states has proven to be a sufficient reason why the Toronto Maple Leafs have not won the Stanley Cup in 52 years.
The equation is here. you simply solve for x and t. −iℏ∂ψ(x,t)∂t = Hψ(x,t)
On October 28 2019 04:35 CoupdeBoule wrote: Pyramides are soul-shafts
This is interesting, care to elaborate...????
According to Ancient Egyptian mythology and cosmology, they believed one’s soul had to travel to a specific star constallation (name eludes me) where one would be judged by the Gods and if one were deemed worthy, one might be elevated to become a star. There are shafts in the pyramides that are directed at these star constallations. That’s about it.
The specific constellation you refer to is the Orion.
Orion in Egyptian mythology was the god of the afterlife, not to be confused with Anubis who would guard the gate and allow souls into the afterlife.
This hypothesis is somewhat supported by the fact that: 1. The pyramids are built in a layout that mirrors Orion's belt. 2. Roughly 12k years ago, Orion was visible in the night sky above Egypt and aligned with the Pyramids due to the procession of the equinoxes. 3. The constellation of leo was also visible around that time and lined up nicely with the Sphinx as well.
If true this would make Egyptian civilization not only one of the oldest, but one of the most sophisticated, at least in certain domains.
On October 28 2019 04:35 CoupdeBoule wrote: Pyramides are soul-shafts
This is interesting, care to elaborate...????
According to Ancient Egyptian mythology and cosmology, they believed one’s soul had to travel to a specific star constallation (name eludes me) where one would be judged by the Gods and if one were deemed worthy, one might be elevated to become a star. There are shafts in the pyramides that are directed at these star constallations. That’s about it.
The specific constellation you refer to is the Orion.
Orion in Egyptian mythology was the god of the afterlife, not to be confused with Anubis who would guard the gate and allow souls into the afterlife.
This hypothesis is somewhat supported by the fact that: 1. The pyramids are built in a layout that mirrors Orion's belt. 2. Roughly 12k years ago, Orion was visible in the night sky above Egypt and aligned with the Pyramids due to the procession of the equinoxes. 3. The constellation of leo was also visible around that time and lined up nicely with the Sphinx as well.
If true this would make Egyptian civilization not only one of the oldest, but one of the most sophisticated, at least in certain domains.
Orion and Leo are still visible above Egypt, as they have been ... well since someone was there to look up and name them (they did not exist since forever because stars veeeeery slowly move with respect to each other, but Earth's precession has virtually no influence on their visibility from Egypt). If you want to claim the constellation "aligned" with anything, you need to support it with some geometry, because the Earth rotates and both Orion and Leo are close to the celestial equator and thus travel literally across half of the sky.
before the modern science of objectivity there was relativism and the science of the mind. we were an ontological people with an empiricism of names and artifacts. we built the pyramids using a science of the mind that will be rediscovered in two hundred years
Note that this thread goes exactly as any other discussion I have ever seen - people throw around big words, once you ask them about the physics behind it, they never reply (because they have nothing to say). I mean people should be obviously free to do whatever they want as a hobby, but they shouldn't pretend that it is anyhow related to the reality if they are not willing to provide enough details to make it investigable.
On November 07 2019 16:30 linestein wrote: before the modern science of objectivity there was relativism and the science of the mind. we were an ontological people with an empiricism of names and artifacts. we built the pyramids using a science of the mind that will be rediscovered in two hundred years
What does any of this actually mean, especially ‘science of the mind’?
On November 07 2019 17:40 opisska wrote: Note that this thread goes exactly as any other discussion I have ever seen - people throw around big words, once you ask them about the physics behind it, they never reply (because they have nothing to say). I mean people should be obviously free to do whatever they want as a hobby, but they shouldn't pretend that it is anyhow related to the reality if they are not willing to provide enough details to make it investigable.
That is why i provided both the equation and a diagram illustrating the forces impacting each Toronto Maple Leaf hockey player.
Incidentally, the Pyramid can also treat tonsilitis. Surgery is unnecessary.
On November 07 2019 17:40 opisska wrote: Note that this thread goes exactly as any other discussion I have ever seen - people throw around big words, once you ask them about the physics behind it, they never reply (because they have nothing to say). I mean people should be obviously free to do whatever they want as a hobby, but they shouldn't pretend that it is anyhow related to the reality if they are not willing to provide enough details to make it investigable.
I take objection to this, feel free to ask me any physics questions you wish regarding my statements.
diagnostic solid state device a machine that worked without moving parts measure and understand the earth and the cosmos maximize the sympathetic resonance the edifice experienced coupled resonator the ancients sympathetic resonance of the Great Pyramid taking readings on its tone, vibrations resonance record changes in the Earth’s state states/changes could be as broad as seasonal changes/duration, tectonic, hydrospheric, P + S waves, astronomic impacts, Earth’s position, rotation, precession, electromagnetic variation high percentage augury Hermes Trismegistus vessel for all spiritual/ scientific knowledge plasticizing stone extremely powerful radiation source that could be focused to plasticize stone Shamir unknown naturally occurring substance that dissipates, sublimates or denatures over time like a radiation source with a short half life
Most of these are words that sound impressive but make no scientific sense in context. You don't explain any of these.
On November 10 2019 00:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote: diagnostic solid state device a machine that worked without moving parts measure and understand the earth and the cosmos maximize the sympathetic resonance the edifice experienced coupled resonator the ancients sympathetic resonance of the Great Pyramid taking readings on its tone, vibrations resonance record changes in the Earth’s state states/changes could be as broad as seasonal changes/duration, tectonic, hydrospheric, P + S waves, astronomic impacts, Earth’s position, rotation, precession, electromagnetic variation high percentage augury Hermes Trismegistus vessel for all spiritual/ scientific knowledge plasticizing stone extremely powerful radiation source that could be focused to plasticize stone Shamir unknown naturally occurring substance that dissipates, sublimates or denatures over time like a radiation source with a short half life
Most of these are words that sound impressive but make no scientific sense in context. You don't explain any of these.
OK - here goes...
diagnostic solid state device: a device that has no large moving parts (a machine that worked without moving parts) used to measure something.
measure and understand the earth and the cosmos: the great pyramid vibrated (similar to how mountains vibrate), by observing this vibration the ancients (the people who built the pyramids - I use this term as it is unknown who built the pyramids and what they called themselves) would have been able to measure variations in said vibrations over time.
coupled resonator: A body that resonates when another body connected to it resonates. Sympathetic vibration of the pyramid would occur when the earth ( at least the North African Tectonic Plate) vibrated from seismic activity.
When a coupled resonator ( like the great pyramid) is a whole number smaller or larger than the main body resonator (Earth) it vibrates in tones (musical notes of set frequency) that are whole tones within the original tone. Picture a high E string on a guitar, when it is struck a tuning fork tuned to E close by will resonate in sympathy.
taking readings on its tone, vibrations/ resonance record: If indeed the great pyramid experienced the vibrations I am speaking of it would be possible for someone to record (with writing) the variations in said vibrations, over time these recordings would create a 'resonant record' a history of the sound generated by the great pyramid.
Changes in earth's state: how the earth is behaving (its tilt, its volcanic activity, its tidal activity, its revolution around the sun and more)
high percentage augury: predicting the future with a high percentage of accuracy.
Hermes Trismegistus: a group of scholars known from the Alexandrian period to have present their texts under the name Hermes Trismegistus (Hermes, the greek god of knowledge was conflated with the Egyptian god of knowledge Thoth), 'Trismegistus' in Latin means, the thrice great.
vessel for all spiritual/ scientific knowledge: the location, angles, size and design of the great pyramid incorporated the spiritual/ scientific knowledge of the pyramid builders.
plasticizing stone: turning solid stone into a molten plastic form that could be easily manipulated and cut.
Shamir: this is an unknown substance said to have been used in the creation of Solomon's Temple. The myth goes that Solomon was informed by God he could make his temple (built to house the Ark of the Covenant) using traditional tools such as hammers and saws. Solomon sent out all his workers to find a substance known as the Shamir that could cut stone by merely exposing it to the Shamir. The story is in Talmud and speaks of the Shamir as a worm or substance that had to be housed in a wool and lead container. Lead is an exceptionally good insulator against both alpha and beta decay of radioactive elements or stones.
unknown naturally occurring substance that dissipates, sublimates or denatures over time like a radiation source with a short half life: self explanatory
Well, you first "explanation" just show you have no clue about anything all by itself. Solid state device are electronic devices. You just made up your own personal definition of a "solid state device". Who determines large? In fact a machine is still a machine no matter what size the moving parts are and it will still not be a solid state device no matter how small those moving parts are. Ancient Egytians do not have solid state devices. And you still don't explain how a machine with no large moving parts can do all of these magical abilities.
All the stuff you have written are just pure junk and doesn't explain anything, because there is no underlying scientific understanding behidn them. There is no "how". Replacing a set of words with another set of words is not an explanation. Everything you wrote is based on a child-like understanding of the world. It's as if you just wrote a children's fairy tale.
An example, "the great pyramid vibrated similar to how mountains vibrate" makes no fucking sense, because where is your basis for that? It doesn't, as every geologist will tell you, becuase different materials have different properties, mountains are made up of several different types of materials all with different properties and all objects vibrate differently from each other. Every mountain is different from each other and will vibrate differently. Everything you write is just unasserted hogwash that makes no sense.
You slap scientific words together with no idea what it means. For instance coupled resonator. The wiki page on coupled resonator has about 20 equations and is incomprehensible to someone without graduate level mathematics. For you though it means "A body that resonates when another body connected to it resonates.". What a joke.
Also wtf is "Sympathetic vibration of the pyramid would occur when the earth ( at least the North African Tectonic Plate) vibrated from seismic activity." Where the physics? That explains nothing. My body fucking vibrates when the ground vibrates too.
Everything you "explained" you didn't explain with physics, but with made up stories. Everything you wrote, needs additional explanation as it is still nonsense. There is no physics in what you wrote; you turn words with real scientific meaning backed by hundreds of years of knowledge and use them like empty words devoid of meaning.
The problem with all of these claims is that the burden of proof that you self-impose is so outrageously low that you're willing to accept circumstantial explanations that don't even reasonably qualify as evidence as sufficient proof to your claims.
Claim 1: Pyramids are a diagnostic (read "measurement" tool). Explanation: Vibrations are present Not sufficient evidence, vibrations are always present
Claim 2: Pyramids are a coupled resonator thing Explanation: Vibrations from the Earth are transferred into the stones. Not sufficient evidence, need to explain why stones are stacked and why we don't have an ancient seismograph. Stacked stones don't allow the interpretation of those vibration.
Claim 3: Vibrations in the pyramid something something frequency and music stuff Explanation: something something Calling those frequencies music is an attempt to make the random sounds and frequencies of the Earth's seismic activity seem purposeful. There is no need to build a large structure to study tectonic activity.
Claim 4: You can use the pyramid's physical properties to make other kinds of measurements Explanation: No evidence given Come on
Claim 5: plasticizing stone, shamir Explanation: Rock was melted and shit. No evidence. That would take an immense amount of power so we suspect some source of radiation (?) which also melts stone and I guess somehow doesn't kill everyone and doesn't leave any traces of extra radioactivity.
All of these are absolutely wild claims that, while not impossible, have absolutely no basis in science. It is speculation with the lowest imaginable level of rigor and it's really frustrating. To people who are kind of interested in knowing the truth but, like myself, accept that archaeology is hard and some things are lost to time, it's really frustrating when on one hand we have some well-researched information and on the other there's some guy who takes a shit in the corner of the pyramid and shouts "Eureka, this pyramid was a shit smell deflector because the thought came to my mind". Then they tour the world with their silly idea and write books.
Here's the way I see it. I have a master's degree in one of the social sciences, I personally consider that this discipline is frequently kind of lousy and accepts a lot of absolute dogshit studies that use thin evidence to make grandiose claims. I think that when you're going to dig into the sciences and about natural phenomena and discuss stuff like materials science and how you can use a mysterious device to melt stone and use vibrating pyramids to make predictions about the future and clearly completely fail to actually know the future, you have to present solid evidence. There's no value in wild speculation, and if you're gonna do it you should be very clear that that's what you're doing.
Point is, if I had written any summary of any of my papers, even in my area of expertise where too many teachers and professionals are lax with the standards, and I used standards of sources and evidence that are as weak as those expressed in this thread, I would be laughed at out of the room and with good reason.
And the reason why I find this frustrating is that what I just said doesn't just apply to academia or science. It seems to me, and I'm not saying this as a fact, it's just a sentiment that I've heard from multiple people, but it SEEMS to me like this is becoming increasingly true. People feel no need to verify anything, they feel confident that their first thought is correct and doesn't need to be verified for accuracy. The whole antivax movement is based on that. No time is taken to check "is this even true?". It doesn't have to be actually true - if it sounds sufficiently right to your feelings, apparently it might just as well be true, and it's worth sharing with the world. And they'll have the same emotional reaction to the wild speculation presented as fact. It sounds right, so it must be true. As a result, wild ideas make the rounds
I think that at some point it's important to do some introspection and to ask yourself "why do I believe these things, is it because they're true or is it because I want to".
On November 14 2019 10:27 Djzapz wrote: The problem with all of these claims is that the burden of proof that you self-impose is so outrageously low that you're willing to accept circumstantial explanations that don't even reasonably qualify as evidence as sufficient proof to your claims.
Claim 1: Pyramids are a diagnostic (read "measurement" tool). Explanation: Vibrations are present Not sufficient evidence, vibrations are always present
Claim 2: Pyramids are a coupled resonator thing Explanation: Vibrations from the Earth are transferred into the stones. Not sufficient evidence, need to explain why stones are stacked and why we don't have an ancient seismograph. Stacking a bunch of stones don't allow the interpretation of those vibration.
Claim 3: Vibrations in the pyramid something something frequency and music stuff Explanation: something something Calling those frequencies music is an attempt to make the random sounds and frequencies of the Earth's seismic activity seem purposeful. There is no need to build a large structure to study tectonic activity.
Claim 4: You can use the pyramid's physical properties to make other kinds of measurements Explanation: No evidence given Come on
Claim 5: plasticizing stone, shamir Explanation: Rock was melted and shit. No evidence. That would take an immense amount of power so we suspect some source of radiation (?) which also melts stone and I guess somehow doesn't kill everyone and doesn't leave any traces of extra radioactivity.
All of these are absolutely wild claims that, while not impossible, have absolutely no basis in science. It is speculation with the lowest imaginable level of rigor and it's really frustrating. To people who are kind of interested in knowing the truth but, like myself, accept that archaeology is hard and some things are lost to time, it's really frustrating when on one hand we have some well-researched information and on the other there's some guy who takes a shit in the corner of the pyramid and shouts "Eureka, this pyramid was a shit smell deflector because the thought came to my mind". Then they tour the world with their silly idea and write books.
Here's the way I see it. I have a master's degree in one of the social sciences, I personally consider that this discipline is frequently kind of lousy and accepts a lot of absolute dogshit studies that use thin evidence to make grandiose claims. I think that when you're going to dig into the sciences and about natural phenomena and discuss stuff like materials science and how you can use a mysterious device to melt stone and use vibrating pyramids to make predictions about the future and clearly completely fail to actually know the future, you have to present solid evidence. There's no value in wild speculation, and if you're gonna do it you should be very clear that that's what you're doing.
Point is, if I had written any summary of any of my papers, even in my area of expertise where too many teachers and professionals are lax with the standards, and I used standards of sources and evidence that are as weak as those expressed in this thread, I would be laughed at out of the room and with good reason.
And the reason why I find this frustrating is that what I just said doesn't just apply to academia or science. It seems to me, and I'm not saying this as a fact, it's just a sentiment that I've heard from multiple people, but it SEEMS to me like this is becoming increasingly true. People feel no need to verify anything, they feel confident that their first thought is correct and doesn't need to be verified for accuracy. The whole antivax movement is based on that. No time is taken to check "is this even true?". It doesn't have to be actually true - if it sounds sufficiently right to your feelings, apparently it might just as well be true, and it's worth sharing with the world. And they'll have the same emotional reaction to the wild speculation presented as fact. It sounds right, so it must be true. As a result, wild ideas make the rounds
I think that at some point it's important to do some introspection and to ask yourself "why do I believe these things, is it because they're true or is it because I want to".
I really appreciate your post and I also agree with the fact that claims of emotion are becoming far more prominent than claims with '5 sigma' evidence. But there is also a space where non verifiable claims and verifiable claims overlap. Sometimes it will be utter fiction posing as reality and sometimes it will be imaginative speculation built on facts.
I believe my post is in the latter category.
It may be redundant but the facts that led me to propose my idea (even though it is stated as if it is gospel in the OP) are all to be found in the following documentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhGQU3m9E34&t=1276s
Having the feedback from you all has made me recognize the errors in my logical thought and idea.
None the less I hope someone enjoyed the read and may be even the small documentary above. Love and peace to all.
Oh wow, you write that you "recognize the errors in my logical thought and idea" and then you post a video you already posted on the first page again. Aren't you just trying to advertise that video for whatever reason?
There's no error in your logical thoughts, there simply is no logical thought as can be seen by your "physics" that has no physics.
On November 16 2019 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Oh wow, you write that you "recognize the errors in my logical thought and idea" and then you post a video you already posted on the first page again. Aren't you just trying to advertise that video for whatever reason?
There's no error in your logical thoughts, there simply is no logical thought as can be seen by your "physics" that has no physics.
I reposted the video to highlight the extraordinary facts of the gp - upon which I based my idea. I have the humility to admit my mistakes, I wonder if you have decency to admit to the flaws in your position?
On November 16 2019 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Oh wow, you write that you "recognize the errors in my logical thought and idea" and then you post a video you already posted on the first page again. Aren't you just trying to advertise that video for whatever reason?
There's no error in your logical thoughts, there simply is no logical thought as can be seen by your "physics" that has no physics.
I reposted the video to highlight the extraordinary facts of the gp - upon which I based my idea. I have the humility to admit my mistakes, I wonder if you have decency to admit to the flaws in your position?
What flaws? Long videos of this kind not exposed to counterpoints just become more convincing in the ‘seems legit’ way. From people who people in these particular fields don’t find credible.
He posted specific points which you could have rebutted with your own knowledge or that gleaned from elsewhere, which you chose not to do.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, or at least some.
If the Egyptians intended to measure certain things why is there no record of it whatsoever? It’s the equivalent of in some post-apocalyptic world aliens discovering the large Hadron Collider without a single paper, computer data or anything associated with its actual purpose.
On November 16 2019 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Oh wow, you write that you "recognize the errors in my logical thought and idea" and then you post a video you already posted on the first page again. Aren't you just trying to advertise that video for whatever reason?
There's no error in your logical thoughts, there simply is no logical thought as can be seen by your "physics" that has no physics.
I reposted the video to highlight the extraordinary facts of the gp - upon which I based my idea. I have the humility to admit my mistakes, I wonder if you have decency to admit to the flaws in your position?
What flaws? Long videos of this kind not exposed to counterpoints just become more convincing in the ‘seems legit’ way. From people who people in these particular fields don’t find credible.
He posted specific points which you could have rebutted with your own knowledge or that gleaned from elsewhere, which you chose not to do.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, or at least some.
If the Egyptians intended to measure certain things why is there no record of it whatsoever? It’s the equivalent of in some post-apocalyptic world aliens discovering the large Hadron Collider without a single paper, computer data or anything associated with its actual purpose.
Yet, this is what we are faced with: evidence of highly advanced technology (some more advanced than what we have today - the tubular drill holes for example - the depth rate per revolution is beyond us even today). Where is the machine or tool that made those drill holes? Where is the tool or machine that carved the stone around the unfinished obelisk? Even with the 300 ton haul trucks we use for mining granite today we could not move the stones the gp builders moved over hundreds of kilometers.
There are many examples of this kind in and around the gp. The flaw in your thinking is that you fail to comprehend the difficulty and thus the achievement of the gp builders.
On November 16 2019 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Oh wow, you write that you "recognize the errors in my logical thought and idea" and then you post a video you already posted on the first page again. Aren't you just trying to advertise that video for whatever reason?
There's no error in your logical thoughts, there simply is no logical thought as can be seen by your "physics" that has no physics.
I reposted the video to highlight the extraordinary facts of the gp - upon which I based my idea. I have the humility to admit my mistakes, I wonder if you have decency to admit to the flaws in your position?
What flaws? Long videos of this kind not exposed to counterpoints just become more convincing in the ‘seems legit’ way. From people who people in these particular fields don’t find credible.
He posted specific points which you could have rebutted with your own knowledge or that gleaned from elsewhere, which you chose not to do.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, or at least some.
If the Egyptians intended to measure certain things why is there no record of it whatsoever? It’s the equivalent of in some post-apocalyptic world aliens discovering the large Hadron Collider without a single paper, computer data or anything associated with its actual purpose.
Yet, this is what we are faced with: evidence of highly advanced technology (some more advanced than what we have today - the tubular drill holes for example - the depth rate per revolution is beyond us even today). Where is the machine or tool that made those drill holes? Where is the tool or machine that carved the stone around the unfinished obelisk? Even with the 300 ton haul trucks we use for mining granite today we could not move the stones the gp builders moved over hundreds of kilometers.
There are many examples of this kind in and around the gp. The flaw in your thinking is that you fail to comprehend the difficulty and thus the achievement of the gp builders.
That is tangential to the point I made, which is namely if it’s a device for measuring things why are there no records of measurements or findings gained from the pyramids?
As somebody already said it’s not that we can’t move stones of that size, we just don’t because it’s much less efficient than constructing with smaller more versatile chunks of material that are assembled on site.
I’m not familiar with the tubular drill holes but am skeptical to say the least that they’re the product of any kind of tech that is even vaguely comparable to contemporary stuff, never mind superior.
I’m open-minded on the Ancient world having technology and understanding more advanced than was previously assumed but it’s a giant leap when we get into them having stuff that’s superior in any way.
If you are further interested, please investigate the tubular drill marks and cores described by Flinders Petrie.
From Petrie:
"Egyptian Core: UC 16036 (core number 7) A cylindrical core of granite grooved round and round by a graving point, the grooves being continuous and forming a spiral, within one part a single groove that may be traced five rotations round the core."
A single threaded line around a drill core that per revolution cuts deeper then any drill that would be capable of creating the same diameter of core we have today. What can cut granite? Corundum and Diamond, perhaps the ancient Egyptians had these gems? Yet to set these gems into a mount that could withstand the stupendous pressure required to produce UC 16036 is something else entirely.
Today we use high rpm but low cut depth per revolution drills to achieve the same cores. Many of the Egyptian cores were cut using low rpm but high cut depth per revolution. Petrie observed the cutting point(s?) on the drill ate deeper into the quartz crystal of the rose granite compared to the cuts in the other minerals in the rose granite.
On November 20 2019 09:05 AxiomBlurr wrote: If you are further interested, please investigate the tubular drill marks and cores described by Flinders Petrie.
From Petrie:
"Egyptian Core: UC 16036 (core number 7) A cylindrical core of granite grooved round and round by a graving point, the grooves being continuous and forming a spiral, within one part a single groove that may be traced five rotations round the core."
A single threaded line around a drill core that per revolution cuts deeper then any drill that would be capable of creating the same diameter of core we have today. What can cut granite? Corundum and Diamond, perhaps the ancient Egyptians had these gems? Yet to set these gems into a mount that could withstand the stupendous pressure required to produce UC 16036 is something else entirely.
Today we use high rpm but low cut depth per revolution drills to achieve the same cores. Many of the Egyptian cores were cut using low rpm but high cut depth per revolution. Petrie observed the cutting point(s?) on the drill ate deeper into the quartz crystal of the rose granite compared to the cuts in the other minerals in the rose granite.
Controversial to say the least.
Well I mean it’s interesting but any time people post skeptical stuff and questions you seem to just post additional tangential information, so to query your claims requires even more viewing and reading time in an exponential fashion.
Sorry, but someone who thinks that the physics behind a solid state device is "a device that has no large moving parts" should honestly have some self awareness that he has no clue of what he is saying.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me the physics behind solid state device. Then we can work our way down the next bit on the list (in which you missed out half of the list anyways).