EPTThe Great Pyramid as Diagnostic Solid State Device - Page 3
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linestein
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Jerubaal
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AxiomBlurr
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On November 04 2019 16:25 Jerubaal wrote: Can anyone provide any information on the accuracy of these shafts with anything? Yes there is accurate measurements on Randall Carlson Geometry Pyramid youtube... | ||
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linestein
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opisska
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24774 Posts
On November 07 2019 16:30 linestein wrote: before the modern science of objectivity there was relativism and the science of the mind. we were an ontological people with an empiricism of names and artifacts. we built the pyramids using a science of the mind that will be rediscovered in two hundred years What does any of this actually mean, especially ‘science of the mind’? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16664 Posts
On November 07 2019 17:40 opisska wrote: Note that this thread goes exactly as any other discussion I have ever seen - people throw around big words, once you ask them about the physics behind it, they never reply (because they have nothing to say). I mean people should be obviously free to do whatever they want as a hobby, but they shouldn't pretend that it is anyhow related to the reality if they are not willing to provide enough details to make it investigable. That is why i provided both the equation and a diagram illustrating the forces impacting each Toronto Maple Leaf hockey player. Incidentally, the Pyramid can also treat tonsilitis. Surgery is unnecessary. | ||
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AxiomBlurr
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On November 07 2019 17:40 opisska wrote: Note that this thread goes exactly as any other discussion I have ever seen - people throw around big words, once you ask them about the physics behind it, they never reply (because they have nothing to say). I mean people should be obviously free to do whatever they want as a hobby, but they shouldn't pretend that it is anyhow related to the reality if they are not willing to provide enough details to make it investigable. I take objection to this, feel free to ask me any physics questions you wish regarding my statements. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
a machine that worked without moving parts measure and understand the earth and the cosmos maximize the sympathetic resonance the edifice experienced coupled resonator the ancients sympathetic resonance of the Great Pyramid taking readings on its tone, vibrations resonance record changes in the Earth’s state states/changes could be as broad as seasonal changes/duration, tectonic, hydrospheric, P + S waves, astronomic impacts, Earth’s position, rotation, precession, electromagnetic variation high percentage augury Hermes Trismegistus vessel for all spiritual/ scientific knowledge plasticizing stone extremely powerful radiation source that could be focused to plasticize stone Shamir unknown naturally occurring substance that dissipates, sublimates or denatures over time like a radiation source with a short half life Most of these are words that sound impressive but make no scientific sense in context. You don't explain any of these. | ||
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AxiomBlurr
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On November 10 2019 00:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote: diagnostic solid state device a machine that worked without moving parts measure and understand the earth and the cosmos maximize the sympathetic resonance the edifice experienced coupled resonator the ancients sympathetic resonance of the Great Pyramid taking readings on its tone, vibrations resonance record changes in the Earth’s state states/changes could be as broad as seasonal changes/duration, tectonic, hydrospheric, P + S waves, astronomic impacts, Earth’s position, rotation, precession, electromagnetic variation high percentage augury Hermes Trismegistus vessel for all spiritual/ scientific knowledge plasticizing stone extremely powerful radiation source that could be focused to plasticize stone Shamir unknown naturally occurring substance that dissipates, sublimates or denatures over time like a radiation source with a short half life Most of these are words that sound impressive but make no scientific sense in context. You don't explain any of these. OK - here goes... diagnostic solid state device: a device that has no large moving parts (a machine that worked without moving parts) used to measure something. measure and understand the earth and the cosmos: the great pyramid vibrated (similar to how mountains vibrate), by observing this vibration the ancients (the people who built the pyramids - I use this term as it is unknown who built the pyramids and what they called themselves) would have been able to measure variations in said vibrations over time. coupled resonator: A body that resonates when another body connected to it resonates. Sympathetic vibration of the pyramid would occur when the earth ( at least the North African Tectonic Plate) vibrated from seismic activity. When a coupled resonator ( like the great pyramid) is a whole number smaller or larger than the main body resonator (Earth) it vibrates in tones (musical notes of set frequency) that are whole tones within the original tone. Picture a high E string on a guitar, when it is struck a tuning fork tuned to E close by will resonate in sympathy. taking readings on its tone, vibrations/ resonance record: If indeed the great pyramid experienced the vibrations I am speaking of it would be possible for someone to record (with writing) the variations in said vibrations, over time these recordings would create a 'resonant record' a history of the sound generated by the great pyramid. Changes in earth's state: how the earth is behaving (its tilt, its volcanic activity, its tidal activity, its revolution around the sun and more) high percentage augury: predicting the future with a high percentage of accuracy. Hermes Trismegistus: a group of scholars known from the Alexandrian period to have present their texts under the name Hermes Trismegistus (Hermes, the greek god of knowledge was conflated with the Egyptian god of knowledge Thoth), 'Trismegistus' in Latin means, the thrice great. vessel for all spiritual/ scientific knowledge: the location, angles, size and design of the great pyramid incorporated the spiritual/ scientific knowledge of the pyramid builders. plasticizing stone: turning solid stone into a molten plastic form that could be easily manipulated and cut. Shamir: this is an unknown substance said to have been used in the creation of Solomon's Temple. The myth goes that Solomon was informed by God he could make his temple (built to house the Ark of the Covenant) using traditional tools such as hammers and saws. Solomon sent out all his workers to find a substance known as the Shamir that could cut stone by merely exposing it to the Shamir. The story is in Talmud and speaks of the Shamir as a worm or substance that had to be housed in a wool and lead container. Lead is an exceptionally good insulator against both alpha and beta decay of radioactive elements or stones. unknown naturally occurring substance that dissipates, sublimates or denatures over time like a radiation source with a short half life: self explanatory | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
All the stuff you have written are just pure junk and doesn't explain anything, because there is no underlying scientific understanding behidn them. There is no "how". Replacing a set of words with another set of words is not an explanation. Everything you wrote is based on a child-like understanding of the world. It's as if you just wrote a children's fairy tale. An example, "the great pyramid vibrated similar to how mountains vibrate" makes no fucking sense, because where is your basis for that? It doesn't, as every geologist will tell you, becuase different materials have different properties, mountains are made up of several different types of materials all with different properties and all objects vibrate differently from each other. Every mountain is different from each other and will vibrate differently. Everything you write is just unasserted hogwash that makes no sense. You slap scientific words together with no idea what it means. For instance coupled resonator. The wiki page on coupled resonator has about 20 equations and is incomprehensible to someone without graduate level mathematics. For you though it means "A body that resonates when another body connected to it resonates.". What a joke. Also wtf is "Sympathetic vibration of the pyramid would occur when the earth ( at least the North African Tectonic Plate) vibrated from seismic activity." Where the physics? That explains nothing. My body fucking vibrates when the ground vibrates too. Everything you "explained" you didn't explain with physics, but with made up stories. Everything you wrote, needs additional explanation as it is still nonsense. There is no physics in what you wrote; you turn words with real scientific meaning backed by hundreds of years of knowledge and use them like empty words devoid of meaning. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Claim 1: Pyramids are a diagnostic (read "measurement" tool). Explanation: Vibrations are present Not sufficient evidence, vibrations are always present Claim 2: Pyramids are a coupled resonator thing Explanation: Vibrations from the Earth are transferred into the stones. Not sufficient evidence, need to explain why stones are stacked and why we don't have an ancient seismograph. Stacked stones don't allow the interpretation of those vibration. Claim 3: Vibrations in the pyramid something something frequency and music stuff Explanation: something something Calling those frequencies music is an attempt to make the random sounds and frequencies of the Earth's seismic activity seem purposeful. There is no need to build a large structure to study tectonic activity. Claim 4: You can use the pyramid's physical properties to make other kinds of measurements Explanation: No evidence given Come on Claim 5: plasticizing stone, shamir Explanation: Rock was melted and shit. No evidence. That would take an immense amount of power so we suspect some source of radiation (?) which also melts stone and I guess somehow doesn't kill everyone and doesn't leave any traces of extra radioactivity. All of these are absolutely wild claims that, while not impossible, have absolutely no basis in science. It is speculation with the lowest imaginable level of rigor and it's really frustrating. To people who are kind of interested in knowing the truth but, like myself, accept that archaeology is hard and some things are lost to time, it's really frustrating when on one hand we have some well-researched information and on the other there's some guy who takes a shit in the corner of the pyramid and shouts "Eureka, this pyramid was a shit smell deflector because the thought came to my mind". Then they tour the world with their silly idea and write books. Here's the way I see it. I have a master's degree in one of the social sciences, I personally consider that this discipline is frequently kind of lousy and accepts a lot of absolute dogshit studies that use thin evidence to make grandiose claims. I think that when you're going to dig into the sciences and about natural phenomena and discuss stuff like materials science and how you can use a mysterious device to melt stone and use vibrating pyramids to make predictions about the future and clearly completely fail to actually know the future, you have to present solid evidence. There's no value in wild speculation, and if you're gonna do it you should be very clear that that's what you're doing. Point is, if I had written any summary of any of my papers, even in my area of expertise where too many teachers and professionals are lax with the standards, and I used standards of sources and evidence that are as weak as those expressed in this thread, I would be laughed at out of the room and with good reason. And the reason why I find this frustrating is that what I just said doesn't just apply to academia or science. It seems to me, and I'm not saying this as a fact, it's just a sentiment that I've heard from multiple people, but it SEEMS to me like this is becoming increasingly true. People feel no need to verify anything, they feel confident that their first thought is correct and doesn't need to be verified for accuracy. The whole antivax movement is based on that. No time is taken to check "is this even true?". It doesn't have to be actually true - if it sounds sufficiently right to your feelings, apparently it might just as well be true, and it's worth sharing with the world. And they'll have the same emotional reaction to the wild speculation presented as fact. It sounds right, so it must be true. As a result, wild ideas make the rounds I think that at some point it's important to do some introspection and to ask yourself "why do I believe these things, is it because they're true or is it because I want to". | ||
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AxiomBlurr
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On November 14 2019 10:27 Djzapz wrote: The problem with all of these claims is that the burden of proof that you self-impose is so outrageously low that you're willing to accept circumstantial explanations that don't even reasonably qualify as evidence as sufficient proof to your claims. Claim 1: Pyramids are a diagnostic (read "measurement" tool). Explanation: Vibrations are present Not sufficient evidence, vibrations are always present Claim 2: Pyramids are a coupled resonator thing Explanation: Vibrations from the Earth are transferred into the stones. Not sufficient evidence, need to explain why stones are stacked and why we don't have an ancient seismograph. Stacking a bunch of stones don't allow the interpretation of those vibration. Claim 3: Vibrations in the pyramid something something frequency and music stuff Explanation: something something Calling those frequencies music is an attempt to make the random sounds and frequencies of the Earth's seismic activity seem purposeful. There is no need to build a large structure to study tectonic activity. Claim 4: You can use the pyramid's physical properties to make other kinds of measurements Explanation: No evidence given Come on Claim 5: plasticizing stone, shamir Explanation: Rock was melted and shit. No evidence. That would take an immense amount of power so we suspect some source of radiation (?) which also melts stone and I guess somehow doesn't kill everyone and doesn't leave any traces of extra radioactivity. All of these are absolutely wild claims that, while not impossible, have absolutely no basis in science. It is speculation with the lowest imaginable level of rigor and it's really frustrating. To people who are kind of interested in knowing the truth but, like myself, accept that archaeology is hard and some things are lost to time, it's really frustrating when on one hand we have some well-researched information and on the other there's some guy who takes a shit in the corner of the pyramid and shouts "Eureka, this pyramid was a shit smell deflector because the thought came to my mind". Then they tour the world with their silly idea and write books. Here's the way I see it. I have a master's degree in one of the social sciences, I personally consider that this discipline is frequently kind of lousy and accepts a lot of absolute dogshit studies that use thin evidence to make grandiose claims. I think that when you're going to dig into the sciences and about natural phenomena and discuss stuff like materials science and how you can use a mysterious device to melt stone and use vibrating pyramids to make predictions about the future and clearly completely fail to actually know the future, you have to present solid evidence. There's no value in wild speculation, and if you're gonna do it you should be very clear that that's what you're doing. Point is, if I had written any summary of any of my papers, even in my area of expertise where too many teachers and professionals are lax with the standards, and I used standards of sources and evidence that are as weak as those expressed in this thread, I would be laughed at out of the room and with good reason. And the reason why I find this frustrating is that what I just said doesn't just apply to academia or science. It seems to me, and I'm not saying this as a fact, it's just a sentiment that I've heard from multiple people, but it SEEMS to me like this is becoming increasingly true. People feel no need to verify anything, they feel confident that their first thought is correct and doesn't need to be verified for accuracy. The whole antivax movement is based on that. No time is taken to check "is this even true?". It doesn't have to be actually true - if it sounds sufficiently right to your feelings, apparently it might just as well be true, and it's worth sharing with the world. And they'll have the same emotional reaction to the wild speculation presented as fact. It sounds right, so it must be true. As a result, wild ideas make the rounds I think that at some point it's important to do some introspection and to ask yourself "why do I believe these things, is it because they're true or is it because I want to". I really appreciate your post and I also agree with the fact that claims of emotion are becoming far more prominent than claims with '5 sigma' evidence. But there is also a space where non verifiable claims and verifiable claims overlap. Sometimes it will be utter fiction posing as reality and sometimes it will be imaginative speculation built on facts. I believe my post is in the latter category. It may be redundant but the facts that led me to propose my idea (even though it is stated as if it is gospel in the OP) are all to be found in the following documentary. Having the feedback from you all has made me recognize the errors in my logical thought and idea. None the less I hope someone enjoyed the read and may be even the small documentary above. Love and peace to all. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
There's no error in your logical thoughts, there simply is no logical thought as can be seen by your "physics" that has no physics. | ||
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AxiomBlurr
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On November 16 2019 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Oh wow, you write that you "recognize the errors in my logical thought and idea" and then you post a video you already posted on the first page again. Aren't you just trying to advertise that video for whatever reason? There's no error in your logical thoughts, there simply is no logical thought as can be seen by your "physics" that has no physics. I reposted the video to highlight the extraordinary facts of the gp - upon which I based my idea. I have the humility to admit my mistakes, I wonder if you have decency to admit to the flaws in your position? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24774 Posts
On November 16 2019 09:05 AxiomBlurr wrote: I reposted the video to highlight the extraordinary facts of the gp - upon which I based my idea. I have the humility to admit my mistakes, I wonder if you have decency to admit to the flaws in your position? What flaws? Long videos of this kind not exposed to counterpoints just become more convincing in the ‘seems legit’ way. From people who people in these particular fields don’t find credible. He posted specific points which you could have rebutted with your own knowledge or that gleaned from elsewhere, which you chose not to do. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, or at least some. If the Egyptians intended to measure certain things why is there no record of it whatsoever? It’s the equivalent of in some post-apocalyptic world aliens discovering the large Hadron Collider without a single paper, computer data or anything associated with its actual purpose. | ||
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AxiomBlurr
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On November 16 2019 09:13 Wombat_NI wrote: What flaws? Long videos of this kind not exposed to counterpoints just become more convincing in the ‘seems legit’ way. From people who people in these particular fields don’t find credible. He posted specific points which you could have rebutted with your own knowledge or that gleaned from elsewhere, which you chose not to do. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, or at least some. If the Egyptians intended to measure certain things why is there no record of it whatsoever? It’s the equivalent of in some post-apocalyptic world aliens discovering the large Hadron Collider without a single paper, computer data or anything associated with its actual purpose. Yet, this is what we are faced with: evidence of highly advanced technology (some more advanced than what we have today - the tubular drill holes for example - the depth rate per revolution is beyond us even today). Where is the machine or tool that made those drill holes? Where is the tool or machine that carved the stone around the unfinished obelisk? Even with the 300 ton haul trucks we use for mining granite today we could not move the stones the gp builders moved over hundreds of kilometers. There are many examples of this kind in and around the gp. The flaw in your thinking is that you fail to comprehend the difficulty and thus the achievement of the gp builders. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24774 Posts
On November 16 2019 21:03 AxiomBlurr wrote: Yet, this is what we are faced with: evidence of highly advanced technology (some more advanced than what we have today - the tubular drill holes for example - the depth rate per revolution is beyond us even today). Where is the machine or tool that made those drill holes? Where is the tool or machine that carved the stone around the unfinished obelisk? Even with the 300 ton haul trucks we use for mining granite today we could not move the stones the gp builders moved over hundreds of kilometers. There are many examples of this kind in and around the gp. The flaw in your thinking is that you fail to comprehend the difficulty and thus the achievement of the gp builders. That is tangential to the point I made, which is namely if it’s a device for measuring things why are there no records of measurements or findings gained from the pyramids? As somebody already said it’s not that we can’t move stones of that size, we just don’t because it’s much less efficient than constructing with smaller more versatile chunks of material that are assembled on site. I’m not familiar with the tubular drill holes but am skeptical to say the least that they’re the product of any kind of tech that is even vaguely comparable to contemporary stuff, never mind superior. I’m open-minded on the Ancient world having technology and understanding more advanced than was previously assumed but it’s a giant leap when we get into them having stuff that’s superior in any way. | ||
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AxiomBlurr
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From Petrie: "Egyptian Core: UC 16036 (core number 7) A cylindrical core of granite grooved round and round by a graving point, the grooves being continuous and forming a spiral, within one part a single groove that may be traced five rotations round the core." A single threaded line around a drill core that per revolution cuts deeper then any drill that would be capable of creating the same diameter of core we have today. What can cut granite? Corundum and Diamond, perhaps the ancient Egyptians had these gems? Yet to set these gems into a mount that could withstand the stupendous pressure required to produce UC 16036 is something else entirely. Today we use high rpm but low cut depth per revolution drills to achieve the same cores. Many of the Egyptian cores were cut using low rpm but high cut depth per revolution. Petrie observed the cutting point(s?) on the drill ate deeper into the quartz crystal of the rose granite compared to the cuts in the other minerals in the rose granite. Controversial to say the least. | ||
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