EPTTrump makes for great TV though, I support his further push for a career in media but we don't need another useless blob sitting in the American CEO chair when our board of directors already is full of kids keen on shouting at each other and not get things done. And no you're not crazy just blinded by Trump's shiny orange hair and shouting antics.
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
Trump makes for great TV though, I support his further push for a career in media but we don't need another useless blob sitting in the American CEO chair when our board of directors already is full of kids keen on shouting at each other and not get things done. And no you're not crazy just blinded by Trump's shiny orange hair and shouting antics. | ||
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Split.
Switzerland234 Posts
Yes you are. Trump is an act, a populist, whos political "views" are not even remotely in line with reality. That's his style. He makes arguments that sound fine isolated, but never go beyond to reach actual real world contexts. Sure, most politicians do that. But is that a reason to vote? Fuck no. It's actually everything that's wrong with this world. People rather do stuff than thinking it through, so they vote based on petty arguments to feel good about themselves. Now, what does Hillary do better? Not much, but you know, at least she doesn't plan to build a fucking wall. Also: who in christ's name spread the idea that you have to vote? If there's only idiots to vote for, gather some arguments or just leave it be. In a perfect world nobody would go to vote because it's a fucking shitshow. This is all a bit abstract, so to answer a little closer to your question: Your basis is, that you think he will lead with a much firmer hand. That's all I'm reading in your statement. That's your basis for voting for the president of one of the leading countries on earth. If you do a little google search you find plenty of things wrong with Donald Trump, e.g. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83 Sorry if I come across as a little aggressive, but recent events in the world (brexit) made me question the sanity not only of the politicians but the people as well. It's a flaw in the democratic system, sure, but man, saying yolo fingers crossed for the future of a country and it's global partners is not the way to go edit: grammar | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On July 24 2016 08:08 Split. wrote: Now, what does Hillary do better? Not much, but you know, at least she doesn't plan to build a fucking wall. Also: who in christ's name spread the idea that you have to vote? If there's only idiots to vote for, gather some arguments or just leave it be. In a perfect world nobody would go to vote because it's a fucking shitshow. To be honest Iʻm leaning toward not voting since I donʻt feel I have the experience and knowledge to choose a good candidate. But if I were forced to vote right now it would be for Trump, and thatʻs why I wanted to hear the arguments against him. I donʻt believe heʻs actually going to attempt to build a wall, but it seems like most people are concerned that he will. If you do a little google search you find plenty of things wrong with Donald Trump, e.g. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83 Thanks for the link... I hadnʻt heard about a lot of that stuff and some of it is indeed troubling. There are several which donʻt seem like actual racism to me though, for example failing to disavow the KKK leader, or using the article "the" before referring to an ethnic group. In the first, I donʻt think itʻs a candidates responsibility to disavow every unsavory that wants to follow them, and the second seems more a want of manners and refinement than actual racism. The whole tone of the writer and the comments feels antagonistic to me... "if youʻre for Trump youʻre for hatred, racism and bigotry". There seems to be no middle ground, which is why Iʻm questioning my sanity and judgement. Sorry if I come across as a little aggressive, but recent events in the world (brexit) made me question the sanity not only of the politicians but the people as well. It's a flaw in the democratic system, sure, but man, saying yolo fingers crossed for the future of a country and it's global partners is not the way to go. No worries I appreciate your candor. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On July 24 2016 07:42 Disregard wrote: Congress being totally dysfunctional throughout his tenure doesn't help. Basically if Obama took executive action on everything to total dictator level the world would be a better place, there aren't many previous presidents that are as intelligent and hard-working as he is especially the shitstorm he was elected in to already. Trump makes for great TV though, I support his further push for a career in media but we don't need another useless blob sitting in the American CEO chair when our board of directors already is full of kids keen on shouting at each other and not get things done. And no you're not crazy just blinded by Trump's shiny orange hair and shouting antics. You're actually the perfect person for one of my favorite arguments: Since apparently you give no shits about good governance as long as your side wins, remember this- whatever powers you give to yourself may one day belong in the hands of your enemies. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On July 24 2016 07:42 Disregard wrote: Congress being totally dysfunctional throughout his tenure doesn't help. Basically if Obama took executive action on everything to total dictator level the world would be a better place, there aren't many previous presidents that are as intelligent and hard-working as he is especially the shitstorm he was elected in to already. I agree about Obama and congress. That congress will continue to be dysfunctional though, which is why I wish someone would take the reins of the country out of their hands. No one who owes their career to their political party seems to have the courage to do it, no matter how smart or just they may be. Itʻs unfortunate that the first "independent" (kind of) to have a chance at the presidency happens to be someone like Trump, but at this point I think a lot of us in the US just want someone who is not a complete shill to their party. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
The main problem I see is why elect a possible Hitler 2.0 just cause you're sick of two party politics? Agreed Hillary is terrible, but she actually seems like a sane, albeit corporate-sponsored shill, individual. Trump is at best insane, something I don't look for in a world leader. On July 24 2016 05:37 Starlightsun wrote: Race relations seem worse than ever. I can only see Clinton continuing this trend, whereas with Trump I feel there is at least a chance that he will make up with policy what he fails at with words ... Clinton may continue the trend, though it's more systemic and a result of declining quality of life/education. Every indicator suggests Trump will just make it worse, his platform is literally divisiveness and the belittling/scapegoating of minorities. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
I know this is a difficult concept to grasp, but Congress, gasp, is a reflection of the people. If the people are divided, Congress will be divided. And democracy is not 51% of the people telling the other 49% of the people what to do. And Sanders is not a break from the status quo. He's just a purer form of the Leftism of the Democrats. If there was going to be a break from the status quo and some sort of shift, it was going to come from the Republican party( maybe not this election, but it could have been a step), but then Trump barged in and fucked it all up. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
On July 24 2016 08:50 Jerubaal wrote: You're actually the perfect person for one of my favorite arguments: Since apparently you give no shits about good governance as long as your side wins, remember this- whatever powers you give to yourself may one day belong in the hands of your enemies. Honestly the way I framed it might be biased but I personally don't care if it wasn't Obama because due to checks and balances when you have Congress and House of Representatives in such a state, no matter which side wins we all lose. Be it Obama, Hilary or your Trump, there is no change until there is reform in the seats. In the end I'm willing to take the risk. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
On July 24 2016 09:46 Jerubaal wrote: I don't know why you're surprised that Congress is weak. You cheered every time the Judiciary and the Executive branch wrote the law or overrode it. I know this is a difficult concept to grasp, but Congress, gasp, is a reflection of the people. If the people are divided, Congress will be divided. And democracy is not 51% of the people telling the other 49% of the people what to do. And Sanders is not a break from the status quo. He's just a purer form of the Leftism of the Democrats. If there was going to be a break from the status quo and some sort of shift, it was going to come from the Republican party( maybe not this election, but it could have been a step), but then Trump barged in and fucked it all up. Congress representative of the people is the biggest irony of all. People are always divided even in a utopia but apparently here majority of progression and reform turns a blind eye to conservatism and appeasement of a small minority especially the individual in the seat that supposedly represents the masses. And with that, there are just too many people with the backwards mindset in the US, hopefully nature calls and removes them from society. Brutally honest and blunt but this is the only way. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On July 24 2016 04:58 blade55555 wrote: This is teamliquid, almost everyone here is going to say yes because of how the media over exaggerates his words. I don't know if I support him, but I support him a hell of a lot more then fucking Hillary. That's not why TL dislikes Trump. Trump's message is one that only resonates with Americans, and is viewed poorly internationally. Even with completely even-handed media coverage (if such a thing were possible which it isn't) his message just doesn't resonate with the values of most non-Americans. From a purely demographic point of view it's obvious that on average TL thinks little of Trump. And yes. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On July 24 2016 04:46 Jerubaal wrote: Edit: After reading other posts in the thread: I don't think he's a racist. I think he's an arrogant, self-interested ass, but not a racist. In some ways, his character is at odds with racism. He sees people as tools to an end. You don't care what race your tool is. He doesn't have a home or a culture or an ideology that he cares about that might engender defensiveness leading to racism. I think that in a lot of people's minds there is a taint of racism in not wanting illegal immigration or in vetting Muslim immigrants. They aren't really related, but it's there, so if you're REALLY against illegal immigration and REALLY intent on vetting Muslim immigrants, that must mean you are REALLY beyond a shadow of a doubt racist. Which is lazy thinking and distracts from thoughtful consideration of the issues. Just saw this edit and I really agree with your assessment. Thanks for articulating it like that. The racism charge just doesn't seem to stick in my mind. He is undoubtedly manipulative, selfish, and arrogant, yes, but I think it is grasping to label him racist. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
Which kinda makes sense for people to want to vote for him. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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AnythingThenDelete
381 Posts
But you have the right to be any of those things, and a large portion the world is not better than you, and I do not really agree with Trump's idea, and I think people are being a bit brainwash with the whole "america great again", without thinking that maybe "not americans" (americans that don't fit the perfect stereotype) are a part of your contry AND also that america is still so powerful and involve in many things, whatever your governement decide to do is not only "america business" that could influence the world in many ways, and things could backfire. Thus being said, you are not "crazy" (or maybe you are if we admit that almost half the world is crazy too), but I can really see why Trump is successfull. I'm from France, our government thise time is "left/socialist", it's usually a huge battle between "left/rigt" and most of the times the "right" side is the majority (speaking for the last 25 years or so) BUT the "far right" party is like the 3rd or very close 4th of the country, and not so long ago they manage to get to the second turn of our election. What I am trying to say is not "everyone is right", is that you are not downhill crazy and Trump's speech is nothing new to anyone and you can't blame everyone who wants to vote for him, if you had been living in the same context as them with the same idea, and if every time an idea was always put aside because "it's too extreme" but in the end every alternative seems not successful enough, you might be prone to vote for Trump. | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
Go plant a flower or do something for yourself, instead of wasting your time | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
We are what we eat, we are what we say, we are what we do! Politicians are the result of this.. a trump or a hilary got there because people invest solely in their own immediate local political systems (because they HAVE to) and at the source (people who decide early to go into politics/idealists or other "figureheads") that could one day along the road become "presidential material") they are less and less people who decide to try, most decline the honor/chore to go do it, for the better good !?... Such people rise there (as electable material) because of YOUR dis-involvement, mine, .. most of the people. It is all easy/lazy to say (quoting from a great R Pryor movie) "vote for none of the above"! .. but that is not what this is about, is it? The problem is no one wants to sacrifice his/her own life's to the pursuit of a less cruel and vane world. We are busy laddering our own scale... We are so free .. we have chosen to forget that this is something someone has to fight for! | ||
hexhaven
Finland963 Posts
If she's elected, you know that either she hasn't been nearly as bad as some claim, or that she's very, very good. Deserving of her position, then. | ||
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