• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:41
CEST 01:41
KST 08:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun8[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists20[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo) $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) FSL Season 10 Individual Championship WardiTV Spring Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review ASL21 General Discussion Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May Korean KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2936 users

My Protoss balance/design ideas for LotV

Blogs > KalWarkov
Post a Reply
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
September 15 2015 17:48 GMT
#1
i have some pretty simple ideas as of how i would like to see protoss at the LotV release, both balance and design wise.

Currently, Protoss seems to be pretty much unattackable earlygame both PvP and TvP due to pylon overcharge and the tank ability of adepts.

On the other hand, Protoss has a hard time dealing with midgame ZvP timings, because Lurkers dominate ground forces that arent (weaker) colossus and disruptors, and having a strong enough air force that beat hydras while building a 4th base is pretty hard.
Relying on stasis traps cannot be the answer.

PvT Lategame is incredible hard, because the Liberator dominates both air and ground of Protoss. I feel like the Liberator has to be addressed more to this issue than protoss itself.


Here some of the ideas that came into my mind:

Photon Overcharge
- Can only be targeted on Pylons within range of Nexus or Gateways (2 second warpin pylons)

Adepts
- Require Twilight Council to be available in Gateway/Warpgate
- 4 Adepts can morph into an Archon (or 2 Adepts / 1 Templar)

Zealot Charge upgrade
- cost reduced from 200/200 to 150/150, build time decreased from 140s to 110s

Colossus
- Base damage to 13x2 from 12x2 (HotS: 15x2)

Archon
- Model size reduced to the size of an Immortal

I'm ok with the current state of the Disruptor apart from PvP, since it decides every ground battle and honestly feels a bit dumb, but i have no clue how that could be changed as of now.
Air units seem kind of fine to me, some numbers could be tweaked, but im OK with their state. Tempest is a bit questionable, but i have too little experience with them to come up with something smart.


What do you guys think? What would you like, what would you not like?
Do you have different ideas?

*
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
September 15 2015 20:33 GMT
#2
Sorry, you want 4 Adepts (400/100/8 supply) to morph into an archon?? (currently either 100/300/4 or 250/250/4 or 175/275/4)
Other than sounding odd, that's a very low gas cost for the unit compared to its current costs.
ZerO - FantaSy - Calm - Nal_rA - Jaedong - NaDa - EffOrt - Bisu - by.hero - StarDust - Welmu - Nerchio - Supernova - Solar - Squirtle - LosirA - Grubby - IntoTheRainbow - Golden... ~~~ Incredible Miracle and Woongjin Stars 화이팅!
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 16 2015 10:51 GMT
#3
I like the idea of adding a bigger tech requirement for Adepts. But the other suggestions sound a bit outlandish
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
September 16 2015 20:53 GMT
#4
It's a decent idea, but I'd take it one step further and let 8 adepts morph into a carrier to ease the Protoss transition into late-game.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
September 17 2015 05:27 GMT
#5
We should have 16 adepts morph into a nexus and 6 probes so Protoss never have to experience draws due to base trades ever again.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 20m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 1774
Artosis 639
910 25
NaDa 16
League of Legends
Doublelift3837
Counter-Strike
fl0m3663
Pyrionflax117
Other Games
summit1g9519
tarik_tv5712
Day[9].tv370
shahzam343
C9.Mang0331
JimRising 250
Maynarde37
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick920
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream249
Other Games
BasetradeTV193
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 59
• RyuSc2 56
• musti20045 34
• davetesta20
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie1459
• Day9tv370
• Scarra213
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
20m
GSL
9h 50m
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
KCM Race Survival
10h 20m
Big Gabe
12h 20m
Replay Cast
1d
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Escore
1d 10h
OSC
1d 13h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
IPSL
3 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Flash
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-28
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.