• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:41
CEST 09:41
KST 16:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 222ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon315.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes38Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 StarCraft Mass Recall: SC1 campaigns on SC2 thread 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes IP For new Brazil servers for NA Players Server Blocker
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool BW General Discussion Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Summer Games Done Quick 2026! ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4161 users

My Protoss balance/design ideas for LotV

Blogs > KalWarkov
Post a Reply
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
September 15 2015 17:48 GMT
#1
i have some pretty simple ideas as of how i would like to see protoss at the LotV release, both balance and design wise.

Currently, Protoss seems to be pretty much unattackable earlygame both PvP and TvP due to pylon overcharge and the tank ability of adepts.

On the other hand, Protoss has a hard time dealing with midgame ZvP timings, because Lurkers dominate ground forces that arent (weaker) colossus and disruptors, and having a strong enough air force that beat hydras while building a 4th base is pretty hard.
Relying on stasis traps cannot be the answer.

PvT Lategame is incredible hard, because the Liberator dominates both air and ground of Protoss. I feel like the Liberator has to be addressed more to this issue than protoss itself.


Here some of the ideas that came into my mind:

Photon Overcharge
- Can only be targeted on Pylons within range of Nexus or Gateways (2 second warpin pylons)

Adepts
- Require Twilight Council to be available in Gateway/Warpgate
- 4 Adepts can morph into an Archon (or 2 Adepts / 1 Templar)

Zealot Charge upgrade
- cost reduced from 200/200 to 150/150, build time decreased from 140s to 110s

Colossus
- Base damage to 13x2 from 12x2 (HotS: 15x2)

Archon
- Model size reduced to the size of an Immortal

I'm ok with the current state of the Disruptor apart from PvP, since it decides every ground battle and honestly feels a bit dumb, but i have no clue how that could be changed as of now.
Air units seem kind of fine to me, some numbers could be tweaked, but im OK with their state. Tempest is a bit questionable, but i have too little experience with them to come up with something smart.


What do you guys think? What would you like, what would you not like?
Do you have different ideas?

*
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
September 15 2015 20:33 GMT
#2
Sorry, you want 4 Adepts (400/100/8 supply) to morph into an archon?? (currently either 100/300/4 or 250/250/4 or 175/275/4)
Other than sounding odd, that's a very low gas cost for the unit compared to its current costs.
ZerO - FantaSy - Calm - Nal_rA - Jaedong - NaDa - EffOrt - Bisu - by.hero - StarDust - Welmu - Nerchio - Supernova - Solar - Squirtle - LosirA - Grubby - IntoTheRainbow - Golden... ~~~ Incredible Miracle and Woongjin Stars 화이팅!
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 16 2015 10:51 GMT
#3
I like the idea of adding a bigger tech requirement for Adepts. But the other suggestions sound a bit outlandish
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
September 16 2015 20:53 GMT
#4
It's a decent idea, but I'd take it one step further and let 8 adepts morph into a carrier to ease the Protoss transition into late-game.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
September 17 2015 05:27 GMT
#5
We should have 16 adepts morph into a nexus and 6 probes so Protoss never have to experience draws due to base trades ever again.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 49m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 163
ProTech128
StarCraft: Brood War
BeSt 758
actioN 536
Pusan 188
Mind 171
Soma 155
Mong 132
Dewaltoss 111
Noble 13
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm171
League of Legends
JimRising 609
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor126
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream232
Other Games
BasetradeTV217
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 164
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota288
League of Legends
• Jankos2424
Upcoming Events
HomeStory Cup
3h 49m
OSC
5h 19m
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W1
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
SCTL 2026 Spring
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.