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Eywa-'s guide to... FROM? Cheese

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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
September 07 2015 14:29 GMT
#1
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, gather around... This blog was not planned, I was actually trying to get a decent game for a battle report (because i didn't really get any this week and I didn't want to make one of a standard game or a 1 sided stomp, however, with a bit of luck... I did stumble upon a lovely little Terran player who gave me an excellent idea for this week's blog.

We're calling it... Eywa-'s guide to... FROM? Cheese.


Now, You may be asking yourself what is there to make a guide about? You just say From? in the lobby and From? at the start of the game and you're good to go. NO! NO! You don't do that, that is exactly the type of thinking that earned this fine Terran cheeser his loss. It is far more complex than that. Let me explain...

See, if you spoke in the lobby, you've already made a mistake. GLHF? GG? GOGO? No... You can't, you can't say a word when you join the lobby and I'll tell you why. You are cheesing, that makes you an asshole... However, it is still possible for you to just be an asshole rather than an asshole and a cheeser. In simple terms, all cheesers are assholes, but not all assholes are cheesers. Why does this matter? If you start with glhf and then go to from? in game, you basically announced to your opponent that you're only an asshole within the parameters of the game. In this case, he knows exactly what you're up to... Observe:

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He was talking in the lobby, I already know what's coming. Now, the second rule and probably the most important rule... If your From? isn't successful, don't follow it up. This is most important, as soon as you start typing more, you become desperate and it's even more obvious that you're going to build a second factory before expanding (spoiler alert).

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At this stage, you know your opponent is a dirty scumbag, so... What do you do with your life? You have the option, to play standard or to cheese. Note, that the from? cheese gains effectiveness if it is in reply to another person's from cheese. However, it is very important that if the from? gets a response that you follow the appropriate escalation route... More on that in a bit...

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In this case, I use the From? as a nice transition from his, I do not advise opening with From?... If your opponent doesn't open with From? to give you the opportunity to say From?, then start with the escalation procedure and skip this step. If your opponent does say From?, it is very important that you do not skip this transition step as it will engage your opponent even more for when we get to the escalation procedure.

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Now, he replied, IMMEDIATELY engage the escalation procedure. This is not optional, you're already committed to your build at this point and anything you don't do will cause your chances of victory to go down. At this point, you're pretty much a lock to win this game as he is well engaged into your trap.

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Now, you've successfully confused your opponent while engaging some curiosity. This is exactly what you want, it makes the kicker all the more powerful. So, let's dive right into that shall we? What is the appropriate response?

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Now, I know this is a difficult process and I will require all of your attention for this next part. You see, at this point it's very likely that you won't get another response because your opponent is too busy trying to figure out if they are angry, upset, aroused or uncomfortable. It is imperative that you follow up this question and this question only.

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Keep it as simple as possible and you should get either no response or something like this:

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Now, you know you've won the game... Just follow up with your build, remain confident and kill them dead.

Let's check out the builds for the game described above:

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Opponent goes 2 fact... Standard.

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Eywa- goes DTs... Standard

And here is the evidence that ASL? Cheese is superior to From? cheese, 2 Fact defended + simultaneous counter. It doesn't even matter that the goons died to mines, as long as they kill the vulture, that is the only threat to your DT.
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After that, transitioning into the midgame... Don't even have to macro, look at this.. 60 supply lead.
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Time to roll this Terran.
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You've been an asshole this game, time that you own that title... This is a very important step, don't be like... Oh GG xoxoxoxoxoxo or gg go re or, I'm your biggest fan. Those are not appropriate responses. The only thing you should be doing here is "ez" or "gg no re".
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If you followed this guide to the letter, you should end up with your opponent fighting till the bitter end and leaving without a gg!
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I hope you guys found this guide to be useful and I hope it makes your cheesing a little more effective. Please comment, give me your feedback. Let me know if there is anything else I should blog about! I will try to bring you a battle report next week... Depends on my ability to get a good game.

**
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Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
September 07 2015 18:03 GMT
#2
Reminds me of
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 07 2015 18:08 GMT
#3
Rofl that guy was frantically trying to win with his 270 APM
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YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
September 07 2015 18:27 GMT
#4
obviously the terran army should just lay a mine field and kite back until all the zealots are dead. lol siege
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 07 2015 20:54 GMT
#5
Biolunar, that was pretty much the reference lol
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-09 04:14:19
September 09 2015 04:03 GMT
#6
On September 08 2015 03:08 NeThZOR wrote:
Rofl that guy was frantically trying to win with his 270 APM


hahaha he had 270 apm! and still got rolled by a 120 PM ! :D nice blog

This is like a guide on poker tells

Though I like to take it to the next level -- the fake FROM? cheese :D

On September 08 2015 03:03 Biolunar wrote:
Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSfOZpiC410



timeless video hahahaha
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11287 Posts
September 10 2015 11:14 GMT
#7
I think the guy thought you're asking for sex so he replied "i'm busy"

LOL that video again.
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