• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:01
CEST 16:01
KST 23:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo14Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted J188 – Nhà Cái Cá Cược Trực Tuyến Đẳng Cấp Châu Á Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) GSL CK #4 20-21th June Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Battle cruiser feet vs Carrier fleet Fact based Zerg Upgrade Tier List vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Data needed
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia {D-2} Late to making 20.06.2026 memorable [p]94718
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9504 users

Eywa-'s guide to... FROM? Cheese

Blogs > Eywa-
Post a Reply
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
September 07 2015 14:29 GMT
#1
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, gather around... This blog was not planned, I was actually trying to get a decent game for a battle report (because i didn't really get any this week and I didn't want to make one of a standard game or a 1 sided stomp, however, with a bit of luck... I did stumble upon a lovely little Terran player who gave me an excellent idea for this week's blog.

We're calling it... Eywa-'s guide to... FROM? Cheese.


Now, You may be asking yourself what is there to make a guide about? You just say From? in the lobby and From? at the start of the game and you're good to go. NO! NO! You don't do that, that is exactly the type of thinking that earned this fine Terran cheeser his loss. It is far more complex than that. Let me explain...

See, if you spoke in the lobby, you've already made a mistake. GLHF? GG? GOGO? No... You can't, you can't say a word when you join the lobby and I'll tell you why. You are cheesing, that makes you an asshole... However, it is still possible for you to just be an asshole rather than an asshole and a cheeser. In simple terms, all cheesers are assholes, but not all assholes are cheesers. Why does this matter? If you start with glhf and then go to from? in game, you basically announced to your opponent that you're only an asshole within the parameters of the game. In this case, he knows exactly what you're up to... Observe:

[image loading]

He was talking in the lobby, I already know what's coming. Now, the second rule and probably the most important rule... If your From? isn't successful, don't follow it up. This is most important, as soon as you start typing more, you become desperate and it's even more obvious that you're going to build a second factory before expanding (spoiler alert).

[image loading]

At this stage, you know your opponent is a dirty scumbag, so... What do you do with your life? You have the option, to play standard or to cheese. Note, that the from? cheese gains effectiveness if it is in reply to another person's from cheese. However, it is very important that if the from? gets a response that you follow the appropriate escalation route... More on that in a bit...

[image loading]

In this case, I use the From? as a nice transition from his, I do not advise opening with From?... If your opponent doesn't open with From? to give you the opportunity to say From?, then start with the escalation procedure and skip this step. If your opponent does say From?, it is very important that you do not skip this transition step as it will engage your opponent even more for when we get to the escalation procedure.

[image loading]

Now, he replied, IMMEDIATELY engage the escalation procedure. This is not optional, you're already committed to your build at this point and anything you don't do will cause your chances of victory to go down. At this point, you're pretty much a lock to win this game as he is well engaged into your trap.

[image loading]
[image loading]

Now, you've successfully confused your opponent while engaging some curiosity. This is exactly what you want, it makes the kicker all the more powerful. So, let's dive right into that shall we? What is the appropriate response?

[image loading]

Now, I know this is a difficult process and I will require all of your attention for this next part. You see, at this point it's very likely that you won't get another response because your opponent is too busy trying to figure out if they are angry, upset, aroused or uncomfortable. It is imperative that you follow up this question and this question only.

[image loading]

Keep it as simple as possible and you should get either no response or something like this:

[image loading]

Now, you know you've won the game... Just follow up with your build, remain confident and kill them dead.

Let's check out the builds for the game described above:

[image loading]

Opponent goes 2 fact... Standard.

[image loading]

Eywa- goes DTs... Standard

And here is the evidence that ASL? Cheese is superior to From? cheese, 2 Fact defended + simultaneous counter. It doesn't even matter that the goons died to mines, as long as they kill the vulture, that is the only threat to your DT.
[image loading]
[image loading]

After that, transitioning into the midgame... Don't even have to macro, look at this.. 60 supply lead.
[image loading]

Time to roll this Terran.
[image loading]

You've been an asshole this game, time that you own that title... This is a very important step, don't be like... Oh GG xoxoxoxoxoxo or gg go re or, I'm your biggest fan. Those are not appropriate responses. The only thing you should be doing here is "ez" or "gg no re".
[image loading]

If you followed this guide to the letter, you should end up with your opponent fighting till the bitter end and leaving without a gg!
[image loading]


I hope you guys found this guide to be useful and I hope it makes your cheesing a little more effective. Please comment, give me your feedback. Let me know if there is anything else I should blog about! I will try to bring you a battle report next week... Depends on my ability to get a good game.

**
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
September 07 2015 18:03 GMT
#2
Reminds me of
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 07 2015 18:08 GMT
#3
Rofl that guy was frantically trying to win with his 270 APM
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
September 07 2015 18:27 GMT
#4
obviously the terran army should just lay a mine field and kite back until all the zealots are dead. lol siege
IQ 155.905638752
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 07 2015 20:54 GMT
#5
Biolunar, that was pretty much the reference lol
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-09 04:14:19
September 09 2015 04:03 GMT
#6
On September 08 2015 03:08 NeThZOR wrote:
Rofl that guy was frantically trying to win with his 270 APM


hahaha he had 270 apm! and still got rolled by a 120 PM ! :D nice blog

This is like a guide on poker tells

Though I like to take it to the next level -- the fake FROM? cheese :D

On September 08 2015 03:03 Biolunar wrote:
Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSfOZpiC410



timeless video hahahaha
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
September 10 2015 11:14 GMT
#7
I think the guy thought you're asking for sex so he replied "i'm busy"

LOL that video again.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
12:00
GSL CK #4 (PTR) - Day 1
Maru vs ShoWTimELIVE!
Solar vs Clem
SHIN 965
IntoTheiNu 391
CranKy Ducklings SOOP235
Rex47
Liquipedia
WardiTV Spring Champion…
11:00
Playoffs
WardiTV1282
TaKeTV 453
TKL 333
IndyStarCraft 174
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SHIN 965
TKL 333
IndyStarCraft 174
Railgan 99
trigger 59
Rex 47
Classic 37
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 50005
Shuttle 4122
Mini 2355
Horang2 744
firebathero 565
Hyuk 559
Zeus 484
BeSt 339
Soma 260
actioN 244
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 153
Last 136
Mong 114
Hyun 108
Pusan 79
Leta 76
ToSsGirL 40
PianO 34
Sharp 34
910 30
Aegong 27
JYJ 25
JulyZerg 24
Barracks 24
scan(afreeca) 22
Movie 18
Sacsri 15
Shine 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Noble 8
Dota 2
XaKoH 476
420jenkins329
XcaliburYe310
BananaSlamJamma133
ODPixel90
Counter-Strike
fl0m5065
byalli345
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor275
Other Games
gofns30099
tarik_tv7478
singsing2136
B2W.Neo857
Lowko660
crisheroes287
KnowMe34
Trikslyr30
Mlord1
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV154
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Response 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2981
• Nemesis1493
Counter-Strike
• C_a_k_e 1565
Upcoming Events
IPSL
1h 59m
Bonyth vs Dewalt
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4h 59m
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
9h 59m
WardiTV Spring Champion…
20h 59m
GSL
21h 59m
IPSL
1d 1h
Hawk vs Julia
Patches Events
1d 2h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 4h
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
1d 9h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 20h
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Douyu Cup 2020
4 days
Oliveira vs Trap
Jieshi vs XY
soO vs FanTaSy
TY vs Coffee
Douyu Cup 2020
5 days
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Douyu Cup 2020
6 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-19
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Light HT
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.