Vegne if she catches solo supports out with an early Urn can pretty much kill most of them with a Stun/Scream/Auto/Urn. She also does surprising damage later in the game with little to no items.

goody153

44282 Posts

March 24 2015 05:49 GMT

#31

guys i'd understand if you you spam picked TA/sf/morph/storm/meepo/naga/invoker and other pubstompers but VS/BS and ~~disruptor~~ ok disruptor is a fun hero like SK or wisp.

Archeon

3271 Posts

March 24 2015 05:53 GMT

#32

On March 24 2015 03:54 Sharkey wrote:
I am just beginning to learn about DotA and I have only been playing VS (around 30 games thus far). I have a couple of questions:

1) Any tips how to double stack jungle with wave? Which camps are best to stack as a safe lane support?
2) What items do you go for?
3) What determines when you get Tranqs or Treads?
4) Which other heroes synergise well with VS?
5) What should I focus on in the early game: stacking, zoning, or roaming?

I am a low skill/casual player who likes to 3-5 stack with my friends. But I do like watch and learn about Dota2. So any help would be appreciated.

i'm not super high mmr, but I can give my opinion:

1) In general stacking hard camps or Ancients is ideal. Most Heroes which can flash-farm stacked camps use spells (like Lina, Batrider, Chen and ench, SF) to do so, so stacking hard camps is preferred because you cant get mud golems. Unless you triple chain pull on radiant either hard camp is fine, but in general it's better to stack the camps close to the midlane on radiant and close to the t2s at dire because they are harder to contest.
In order to clear ancient camps well you need a right-click hero who has some kind of aoe or at least range. Examples include anything that goes for bfury, Luna, Gyrocopter, Sven, TA. Heroes that have a physical spammable aoe nuke like bristle, axe, tide work as well. Most heroes who go for lifesteal like Void, Pa, Naix are solid as well.

2) Forcestaff, blink, medallion or urn are the usual first item choices after the standard courier-upgrade -> tp -> brown boots -> wand core.

3) I usually skip both on my #5 and stick to brown boots, but i see lots of people do otherwise. OP could probably give you more insight.

4) VS is rather flexible, but usually you want at least one big right-clicker to use her two amplification spells. She also works well with heroes like Bristle and Axe who deal physical damage and therefore profit from her wave. You can also easily use her in minus armor- or aura-stats. SF gets a special mention because he likes everything Venge does.
I also like to pick her when I dont want to waste a ban and want to pick something she counters, like batrider, faceless void or to a lesser extent enigma.
I think she's very well rounded overall and gives you a littlebit of everything (scales well, amplifies teammates, makes rosh easier, ok as aggressive support as well as defensive especially after lvl 6/11).

5) game dependent. If your lanes are doing fine stacking and pulling. If your safelane is doing fine but the other two not so much and you could make an impact by roaming (aka the lane you roam to has killing potential with you and/or you have a good other aggressive support roaming with you), roaming. If your safelane needs you to get farm, zoning.
If you cant zone bc their offlane is to strong roaming is usually the better choice than staying in the lane and leech xp.

Just my 2 cent, take them with a grain of salt.

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22213 Posts

March 24 2015 08:31 GMT

#33

On March 24 2015 08:26 disciple wrote:

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Only this

I wish I had the venge gems earlier....

this is sad for anyone with ocd

TheEmulator

28100 Posts

March 24 2015 08:32 GMT

#34

2940 wards placed?

WARD BITCH LOL

JK thanks for supporting

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

March 24 2015 12:32 GMT

#35

I really wish you could display those gems below your hero's portrait in the hero selection. Supports with that many ward drops would get so much love.

disciple

9071 Posts

March 24 2015 14:36 GMT

#36

On March 24 2015 17:31 ahswtini wrote:

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this is sad for anyone with ocd

there - fixed

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time to grind another 300 games to get the other 3 gems super high

disciple

9071 Posts

March 24 2015 14:48 GMT

#37

On March 24 2015 08:33 Chewbacca. wrote:
I'm at 361 games with VS, only topped by CM.

Edit: Holy shit, but you didn't pick anyone in between. O.o

I do have 90 games with skywrath though - if you want to play a midgame where you have the most fun out of the 10 ppl playing and a late game where you might as well just stay in base or leave, thats the hero for you