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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
February 16 2015 17:52 GMT
#1
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tldr:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi this is the blog section, however I would have hoped for this to act as an open thread
for as many people involved/concerned as possible.
I am a daddy of a son of starcraft
and i wish to have thoughts from the active community on a wide variety of issues concerning how to manage/monitor/mold the dual experience.
Some issues will stem from this very post, and a lot more from any one who wishes to embark on it with me.
No flaming, just well intention-ed debates.


At what age or rate you let the kid play.. are important questions .. sure!
When you teach sc to your kid.. your very/every concept of what is sc is transfigured.

This son of starcraft (6 year old) beats the very easy ai consistently

Which way do I (40 year old) now go.. do i go ..

a/ "what is strategy?" "continue to have fun"
b/ "you must learn to hotkey and unhotkey* and use two hands as much as possible as quickly as possible to prevent bad habits taking root
c/"need to play your cousin" (he has to teach his cousin first though)

Please let your thought be read

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hotkeying is merely an example, a for instance, could be camera location hotkeying, just "choosing" to invest in mechanics while possibly downgrading the "fun of the pupil"

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"not enough rights"
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 16 2015 18:00 GMT
#2
just let the kid have fun
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
February 16 2015 18:12 GMT
#3
I agree with Coag, no need to impose structure on him enjoying the game. If you are putting it in some type of developmental framework, which six is probably a bit early for, you can talk to him about some of his choices and why he made them, but I would just say let the boy play. If he sinks his teeth in as he gets older, start having discussions about the theory and strategy.

I would say focus on him enjoying the game, 100%.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 16 2015 18:22 GMT
#4
Personally, I'm waiting until age 13 to train my youngest brother (10 years), who has quite a bit of fun doing his own thing (see here and here, he's TimeTraveler). Kids don't train in sports or chess or anything like that, they have fun instead because it's just a game.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
February 16 2015 18:41 GMT
#5
i started playing when i was 3/4 and consistently played with pashun, but when I got SC2 on opening day, i got into bronze...so i think i was early, really though its about them having fun
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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
February 17 2015 12:32 GMT
#6
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On February 17 2015 03:00 Coagulation wrote:
just let the kid have fun

Agreed in any and all cases, sc is a game
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On February 17 2015 03:12 ThomasjServo wrote:
I agree with Coag, no need to impose structure on him enjoying the game. If you are putting it in some type of developmental framework, which six is probably a bit early for, you can talk to him about some of his choices and why he made them, but I would just say let the boy play. If he sinks his teeth in as he gets older, start having discussions about the theory and strategy.
I would say focus on him enjoying the game, 100%.

the thing is I am the one having to answer him when he asks me stuff.. he asks to be taught, molded.. my role only was in "him seeing me play sc in the first place".. I allowed him to play and here I am now asking people how to deal with it...
Not "what I want to do", but what I "should do" ..; since I have to choose/do, .. with my kid "not answering" is not possible
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On February 17 2015 03:22 The_Templar wrote:
Personally, I'm waiting until age 13 to train my youngest brother (10 years), who has quite a bit of fun doing his own thing (see here and here, he's TimeTraveler). Kids don't train in sports or chess or anything like that, they have fun instead because it's just a game.

Thank you templar (you my favorite templar') for your contribution.
A kid asks to be taught, what I should teach him is the question of the day.. not IF
ty for mapmaker event, you op mofo
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On February 17 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
i started playing when i was 3/4 and consistently played with pashun, but when I got SC2 on opening day, i got into bronze...so i think i was early, really though its about them having fun

I posted c/ .. I think I have to have a friend of his that "plays" it, this is the eden, the avalon for me (well at least, the next point I can discern in the distance)

Thank you for posting, I promise next post I showcase his sc figurines+bricks to show you just how much my son is a

son of starcraft

"not enough rights"
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
February 17 2015 13:58 GMT
#7
On February 17 2015 21:32 fluidrone wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 17 2015 03:00 Coagulation wrote:
just let the kid have fun

Agreed in any and all cases, sc is a game
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 17 2015 03:12 ThomasjServo wrote:
I agree with Coag, no need to impose structure on him enjoying the game. If you are putting it in some type of developmental framework, which six is probably a bit early for, you can talk to him about some of his choices and why he made them, but I would just say let the boy play. If he sinks his teeth in as he gets older, start having discussions about the theory and strategy.
I would say focus on him enjoying the game, 100%.

the thing is I am the one having to answer him when he asks me stuff.. he asks to be taught, molded.. my role only was in "him seeing me play sc in the first place".. I allowed him to play and here I am now asking people how to deal with it...
Not "what I want to do", but what I "should do" ..; since I have to choose/do, .. with my kid "not answering" is not possible
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 17 2015 03:22 The_Templar wrote:
Personally, I'm waiting until age 13 to train my youngest brother (10 years), who has quite a bit of fun doing his own thing (see here and here, he's TimeTraveler). Kids don't train in sports or chess or anything like that, they have fun instead because it's just a game.

Thank you templar (you my favorite templar') for your contribution.
A kid asks to be taught, what I should teach him is the question of the day.. not IF
ty for mapmaker event, you op mofo
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On February 17 2015 03:41 Cricketer12 wrote:
i started playing when i was 3/4 and consistently played with pashun, but when I got SC2 on opening day, i got into bronze...so i think i was early, really though its about them having fun

I posted c/ .. I think I have to have a friend of his that "plays" it, this is the eden, the avalon for me (well at least, the next point I can discern in the distance)

Thank you for posting, I promise next post I showcase his sc figurines+bricks to show you just how much my son is a

son of starcraft


OH, i misinterpreted the question, in that case, I guess I would take it from the ground up, first explain the races, and then go into the simple concepts of constantly creating workers, not getting supply blocked etc
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DepressedOne
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States190 Posts
February 17 2015 13:59 GMT
#8
you should say really basic stuff, you know, gradual steps and all. If he asks stuff concerning hotkeys or whatever just have him use one hotkey to start off :D. You can do the same with control groups.
Me sad.
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
June 15 2015 12:00 GMT
#9
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Hi,
my toss immortal loving monster wishes to let it be known everywhere that he knows what he is going to do when
he
"goes to work" to "get money for the family":

he will be "winning at starcraft 10".

(between " " are his words, not mine!)
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[image loading]
At the moment, he is "testing it"
"not enough rights"
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
July 26 2015 00:30 GMT
#10
That kid.. he's teaching himself so much!
Yesterday, I gazed for a while at him playing (I don't usualy, so as to never tamper with his fun in any way), he was performing a blocade around the ai's base preventing the scvs from getting out to expand.
<3
When my first monster was born I could'nt wait for him to talk, I admit it. Not to talk with him (that would come after), but to be allowed to try to "gauge" from my albeit dissorted and narrow potential point of view if he would have "enough" to be happy "on his own".
Not to make it sound like I would have left if he was sub par capable or anything, just trying to get you reader to "get" where I am coming from, how I know I am and what I fear are my present and foreseeable upbringing downfalls for my kids.

Now that he is 7 and talking or expressing himself with tools (in this case sc2 games) .. I am over the moon happy, yet further possibly forever lost (much more than when I started).
There is no judgement in this, he is my monster and he is the most adored stuff to ever happen to me (kind of hope he feels the same about me, lol) .. but how to quantify his adventure, how to analyze his progress? To be more to see more to love more?

sc is not my primary item of concern of course, but he is imagining and pretending while being confronted to an ai, so even if my main focus is elsewhere, I am however the thoroughest of drones when it comes to observing my son.
So when I "cyclically" get back to it (observing him facing sc) and I am amazed at how his decision making and thought processes develops in this particular semantic setting, I feel a need to share it:
(after watching a bttv basetrade)
"So you see, when it is time to basetrade, most players have lost all their workers and that is why they most often lose the basetrade"
"Me I always attack with my probes daddy, so no worries"

ps:+ Show Spoiler [This is the cow level!] +
we are a few weeks later, and the kid does it now, he has one probe with his main army, uses it to scout the fog of war around his army (which he cherishes) between it and the "meanie" ai's expo/main/army. If the probe gets killed (because it is exposed and will get killed) he brings another to rejoin it.
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Now to get him to get to at least 35 workers before cutting his production

"not enough rights"
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
August 14 2015 12:25 GMT
#11
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I have not the heart to discuss the issue with my
son of starcraft
.. but his great grandfather did die this month, was 101.

I did tell the kid.
He didn't pick up on it so I did not insist and with vain relieve jumped away from the conversation (or potential for conversation).


[image loading]
It is always weird to keep stuff away from your kid.
"not enough rights"
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-20 14:28:06
August 20 2015 14:20 GMT
#12
I'm so f...ing tired of having to hold him back (I was explaining to him the credit card function when he was two)..
Why the hell not?
Yes I want to let him spend +/- 5 hours a week on sc.
Sometimes less, sometimes in several sessions, sometimes all in one go and yes sometimes too much (yes that is implied)!

What does he stand to get if only a part of me is what he ends up getting.. a tarnished truncated incomplete part of what I can give him. For instance by "downplaying" some stuff and advocating for opinions I do not support more than half-ass-ly because I don't share them (I say that only because I know he knows I know that he can see right through my "lies", he tells me so!).

Of course it is not what I give but what he takes, but that changes nothing in the end, what I allow / make available is what he "knows" and by always trying to expand his views I am in high danger of cutting myself off / dissociating myself from him.
F..ck it is hard to raise kids.

Edit:
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"not enough rights"
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-01 14:38:40
September 01 2019 13:51 GMT
#13
First day of "college" tomorrow <3
(english translation proving difficult, i guess i'll go for high school...)
i can already taste the smell of spaghetti in my couch from him eating while playing vidi ho games with his friends..
orgazum, this year i get to play quake and golden eye with my kid ..
and i get to see him play multiplayer maps with his chums
.. epic this is <3
"not enough rights"
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