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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-10 08:00:24
February 10 2015 06:44 GMT
#61
On February 10 2015 09:32 Jathin wrote:
I don't see why it's asinine to ask whether or not a game was thrown that occurred antecedent to getting caught. How do you know how long Savior's been throwing matches for?

Well it not impossible for the greatests to suddenly fall completely on their faces. Just look at France in 2002 and Spain in 2014 World Cup.
And it's not like Bisu did it with some gimmicks or unsound tricks.

And as for the match fixing, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the scandal was a proleague thing, and not individual leagues.
Of course that begs the question of "if the guy can throw in proleague, what's stopping him from throwing in individual league?"
But there hasn't been anything conclusive, (again, someone correct me if I'm wrong) with regards to illegal betting sites with regard to individual leagues like there is for proleague.
And I mean Luxury, who was also a convict, won a MSL as late as 2009, so it would seem strange for anyone to throw in Individual league, and a final no less.

Last but not least, it was very interesting that you would bring this up, because when the news first broke out in 2010, the Korean commentators did like a little show (kind of like SotG for sc2) where they just talk about, quite literally, the state of the game. And one of them said something along the lines of "I feel very bad for the clean players who played these guys, because their wins (even the ones where match fixers didn't throw) are going to be questioned now."
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
mel_ee
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
2450 Posts
February 10 2015 16:14 GMT
#62
Reading about the series and watching the vods again reminded me of the time I stayed up late watching this. One of the few series i've watched and remembered vividly only because of how I felt at the end of each match. savior getting crushed got me on an emotional high. Thanks for the nostalgia trip.
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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3577 Posts
February 10 2015 22:34 GMT
#63
thank you for posting this, it was a pleasure rewatching those games. Back then I was a student too and I would wake up for CJ s PL games and MSL/OSL finals. But none of my schoolmates knew about BW so I was always alone in my dorm at like 5AM; cheering for CJ. I was so sad when Bisu won actually, but I was also a P player and I was amazed by his style. Good old times
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
February 11 2015 06:39 GMT
#64
Old geezer checking in.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
February 12 2015 01:08 GMT
#65
On February 11 2015 15:39 SuperJongMan wrote:
Old geezer checking in.


Old geezer high five!
Vo-one
Profile Joined June 2003
Ukraine456 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 10:37:35
February 12 2015 10:32 GMT
#66
High five to the old geezers!

So great thread and the series. There're so much to remember: classical Boxer vs Yellow finals; some hardcore PvP games by Nal_rA and [Oops]Reach; Legionnaire's all-kill at PL(i guess?), JD's dominance... Ah, nostalgie.
Btw, maybe someone can remember the game of White-Ra vs JulyZerg @Destination with White-Ra's great use of dark archon. It was an official game at some tournament as far as i remember.
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1847 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 10:48:27
February 12 2015 10:37 GMT
#67
On February 12 2015 19:32 Vo-one wrote:
High five to the old geezers!

So great thread and the series. There're so much to remember: classical Boxer vs Yellow finals; some hardcore PvP games by Nal_rA and [Oops]Reach; Legionnaire's all-kill at PL(i guess?)... Ah, nostalgie.
Btw, maybe someone can remember the game of White-Ra vs JulyZerg @Destination with White-Ra's great use of dark archon. It was an official game at some tournament as far as i remember.


This is a game of White-Ra vs. JulyZerg on Destination, but it seems the replay link doesn't work

http://www.reps.ru/freereplays.php?replay=comment&id=13011#

Edit: Here it is! http://www.ygosu.com/replay/?idx=56980
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
February 12 2015 10:45 GMT
#68
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
February 12 2015 15:35 GMT
#69
Which newface protoss was it that cannoned up the entire right side of blue storm to try to force a draw vs Terran in a game he was clearly losing? Good times lol.
Bswhunter
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia954 Posts
February 13 2015 07:39 GMT
#70
Sweet, oldschool nony/day9 commentary.

Thanks OP
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51706 Posts
February 14 2015 09:27 GMT
#71
On February 10 2015 15:44 don_kyuhote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2015 09:32 Jathin wrote:
I don't see why it's asinine to ask whether or not a game was thrown that occurred antecedent to getting caught. How do you know how long Savior's been throwing matches for?

Well it not impossible for the greatests to suddenly fall completely on their faces. Just look at France in 2002 and Spain in 2014 World Cup.
And it's not like Bisu did it with some gimmicks or unsound tricks.

And as for the match fixing, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the scandal was a proleague thing, and not individual leagues.
Of course that begs the question of "if the guy can throw in proleague, what's stopping him from throwing in individual league?"
But there hasn't been anything conclusive, (again, someone correct me if I'm wrong) with regards to illegal betting sites with regard to individual leagues like there is for proleague.
And I mean Luxury, who was also a convict, won a MSL as late as 2009, so it would seem strange for anyone to throw in Individual league, and a final no less.

Last but not least, it was very interesting that you would bring this up, because when the news first broke out in 2010, the Korean commentators did like a little show (kind of like SotG for sc2) where they just talk about, quite literally, the state of the game. And one of them said something along the lines of "I feel very bad for the clean players who played these guys, because their wins (even the ones where match fixers didn't throw) are going to be questioned now."




must watch viewing for those who haven't seen it yet
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Vo-one
Profile Joined June 2003
Ukraine456 Posts
March 14 2015 17:58 GMT
#72
Seeing Maynard commenting IEM games i've tried to remember [GG] team members.
[GG0]Maynard
[GG1]ElkY
[GG8]sVEN
[GG69]NTT aka hasudrone
[GG99]Slayer

were there any other players?
and maybe someone knows anything more about that team - it would be interesting to know!
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3438 Posts
March 15 2015 00:01 GMT
#73
Savior did not throw any matches. He was the communicant between the match-fixers and the players who threw the games.

Besides, he would've made more money by winning the MSL than all of the money he made by match-fixing.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
March 15 2015 00:05 GMT
#74
On March 15 2015 02:58 Vo-one wrote:
Seeing Maynard commenting IEM games i've tried to remember [GG] team members.
[GG0]Maynard
[GG1]ElkY
[GG8]sVEN
[GG69]NTT aka hasudrone
[GG99]Slayer

were there any other players?
and maybe someone knows anything more about that team - it would be interesting to know!

I don't remember anyone else offhand, but the I believe the IEM commentator is some other guy who goes by Maynarde, not actual Maynard.
Liquipedia
Vo-one
Profile Joined June 2003
Ukraine456 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-15 16:21:37
March 15 2015 16:16 GMT
#75
On March 15 2015 09:05 Elyvilon wrote:
I don't remember anyone else offhand, but the I believe the IEM commentator is some other guy who goes by Maynarde, not actual Maynard.

oh jeez. thank you, will do some more research.

edit: but anyway it would be nice to have whole story for likipedy.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 14:51:10
March 18 2015 14:44 GMT
#76
Man, this thread really made me reminisce about Korean Broodwar. It's nice to remember there are other people out there who found meaning from this game. JWD, I appreciate the work you put into to running the Power Rank back in the day; It was always a pleasure to read.

I got into Broodwar shortly after this series happened (in Summer 2007) but these games were among the first that I watched. As such I entered the scene as a typical Bisu fanboy, worshiping his PvZ play that, well, for a while really made the matchup seem to be Protoss favored (I think Bisu had an 80% winrate vs Zerg at this point in his career). I would eventually see the light, and become a Stork acolyte (who was IMO the true successor to Nal Ra's throne).

I think another game that showcases the rise of a new god was Bisu vs Flash on Monty Hall. It's fun to look back and see Flash as a young, cocky cheeser. Interesting to think such a kid would go onto be a repressive macro tyrant who crushed his opponents into submission.
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