On February 10 2015 09:32 Jathin wrote: I don't see why it's asinine to ask whether or not a game was thrown that occurred antecedent to getting caught. How do you know how long Savior's been throwing matches for?
Well it not impossible for the greatests to suddenly fall completely on their faces. Just look at France in 2002 and Spain in 2014 World Cup. And it's not like Bisu did it with some gimmicks or unsound tricks.
And as for the match fixing, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the scandal was a proleague thing, and not individual leagues. Of course that begs the question of "if the guy can throw in proleague, what's stopping him from throwing in individual league?" But there hasn't been anything conclusive, (again, someone correct me if I'm wrong) with regards to illegal betting sites with regard to individual leagues like there is for proleague. And I mean Luxury, who was also a convict, won a MSL as late as 2009, so it would seem strange for anyone to throw in Individual league, and a final no less.
Last but not least, it was very interesting that you would bring this up, because when the news first broke out in 2010, the Korean commentators did like a little show (kind of like SotG for sc2) where they just talk about, quite literally, the state of the game. And one of them said something along the lines of "I feel very bad for the clean players who played these guys, because their wins (even the ones where match fixers didn't throw) are going to be questioned now."
Reading about the series and watching the vods again reminded me of the time I stayed up late watching this. One of the few series i've watched and remembered vividly only because of how I felt at the end of each match. savior getting crushed got me on an emotional high. Thanks for the nostalgia trip.
thank you for posting this, it was a pleasure rewatching those games. Back then I was a student too and I would wake up for CJ s PL games and MSL/OSL finals. But none of my schoolmates knew about BW so I was always alone in my dorm at like 5AM; cheering for CJ. I was so sad when Bisu won actually, but I was also a P player and I was amazed by his style. Good old times
So great thread and the series. There're so much to remember: classical Boxer vs Yellow finals; some hardcore PvP games by Nal_rA and [Oops]Reach; Legionnaire's all-kill at PL(i guess?), JD's dominance... Ah, nostalgie. Btw, maybe someone can remember the game of White-Ra vs JulyZerg @Destination with White-Ra's great use of dark archon. It was an official game at some tournament as far as i remember.
On February 12 2015 19:32 Vo-one wrote: High five to the old geezers!
So great thread and the series. There're so much to remember: classical Boxer vs Yellow finals; some hardcore PvP games by Nal_rA and [Oops]Reach; Legionnaire's all-kill at PL(i guess?)... Ah, nostalgie. Btw, maybe someone can remember the game of White-Ra vs JulyZerg @Destination with White-Ra's great use of dark archon. It was an official game at some tournament as far as i remember.
This is a game of White-Ra vs. JulyZerg on Destination, but it seems the replay link doesn't work
Which newface protoss was it that cannoned up the entire right side of blue storm to try to force a draw vs Terran in a game he was clearly losing? Good times lol.
On February 10 2015 09:32 Jathin wrote: I don't see why it's asinine to ask whether or not a game was thrown that occurred antecedent to getting caught. How do you know how long Savior's been throwing matches for?
Well it not impossible for the greatests to suddenly fall completely on their faces. Just look at France in 2002 and Spain in 2014 World Cup. And it's not like Bisu did it with some gimmicks or unsound tricks.
And as for the match fixing, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the scandal was a proleague thing, and not individual leagues. Of course that begs the question of "if the guy can throw in proleague, what's stopping him from throwing in individual league?" But there hasn't been anything conclusive, (again, someone correct me if I'm wrong) with regards to illegal betting sites with regard to individual leagues like there is for proleague. And I mean Luxury, who was also a convict, won a MSL as late as 2009, so it would seem strange for anyone to throw in Individual league, and a final no less.
Last but not least, it was very interesting that you would bring this up, because when the news first broke out in 2010, the Korean commentators did like a little show (kind of like SotG for sc2) where they just talk about, quite literally, the state of the game. And one of them said something along the lines of "I feel very bad for the clean players who played these guys, because their wins (even the ones where match fixers didn't throw) are going to be questioned now."
must watch viewing for those who haven't seen it yet
On March 15 2015 09:05 Elyvilon wrote: I don't remember anyone else offhand, but the I believe the IEM commentator is some other guy who goes by Maynarde, not actual Maynard.
oh jeez. thank you, will do some more research.
edit: but anyway it would be nice to have whole story for likipedy.
Man, this thread really made me reminisce about Korean Broodwar. It's nice to remember there are other people out there who found meaning from this game. JWD, I appreciate the work you put into to running the Power Rank back in the day; It was always a pleasure to read.
I got into Broodwar shortly after this series happened (in Summer 2007) but these games were among the first that I watched. As such I entered the scene as a typical Bisu fanboy, worshiping his PvZ play that, well, for a while really made the matchup seem to be Protoss favored (I think Bisu had an 80% winrate vs Zerg at this point in his career). I would eventually see the light, and become a Stork acolyte (who was IMO the true successor to Nal Ra's throne).
I think another game that showcases the rise of a new god was Bisu vs Flash on Monty Hall. It's fun to look back and see Flash as a young, cocky cheeser. Interesting to think such a kid would go onto be a repressive macro tyrant who crushed his opponents into submission.
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