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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 02:39:27
January 31 2015 02:29 GMT
#21
i always wonder if savior had won that matchup instead, HOW would the rest of history had turned out differently?

Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
January 31 2015 03:56 GMT
#22
2015 and we're still getting blogs about the MSL. God bless
TranslatorBaa!
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
January 31 2015 08:14 GMT
#23
On January 30 2015 18:16 Plexa wrote:
If you removed all the context from the finals, those games were really bad. As someone coming into that series expecting a highly contested series similar to that epic Nal_ra vs Savior clash I was left very disappointed.

Funny I never thought of that. But it's totally true.
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Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
January 31 2015 10:03 GMT
#24
On January 31 2015 17:14 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2015 18:16 Plexa wrote:
If you removed all the context from the finals, those games were really bad. As someone coming into that series expecting a highly contested series similar to that epic Nal_ra vs Savior clash I was left very disappointed.

Funny I never thought of that. But it's totally true.


that's just another way of saying bisu is awesome
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 19:49:13
January 31 2015 19:49 GMT
#25
This is also my favorite match ... watched it live, got so excited that day, i can still remember the epicness of this Victory for P!!!
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 21:35:22
January 31 2015 21:32 GMT
#26
legendary thread, legendary series. bw was my childhood. it's crazy to think how one player in one series changed the way people approached the game. sair-dt was born, and the three hatch scourage into five hatch hydra followed as a counter to that.

edit: watched this shit live obviously
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8677 Posts
February 01 2015 01:25 GMT
#27
On February 01 2015 06:32 OneOther wrote:
legendary thread, legendary series. bw was my childhood. it's crazy to think how one player in one series changed the way people approached the game. sair-dt was born, and the three hatch scourage into five hatch hydra followed as a counter to that.

edit: watched this shit live obviously


That also took a long while to come up. Players need their time to figure out a counter. I think throwing a bunch of balance patches at the game as soon as a new "OP" strategy arises is the wrong approach. A healthy meta game that shifts on it's own is beautiful and really creates memories and changes that remain as history.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
February 01 2015 01:50 GMT
#28
I agree with NonY completely regarding the change in attitude from BW to SC2. I got into BW around the time of this series, and I realized pretty quickly that BW was regarded as a well-balanced game - one where either solid play or innovation could overcome any obstacle. Implying, in the strategy forum, that BW needed to be rebalanced or that something was "OP" and needed to be changed was almost universally met with disagreement and criticism ( and rightly so). But now, not just in SC2, but in many games (Hearthstone, DotA, etc.), When someone days something is overpowered, it's generally met with agreement from other's who are having difficulty with the same card/hero/strategy. And the reason, IMO, is because Blizzard and others are more active in "balancing" their games. While that seems good on the surface, it simply allows people to hope things change so they don't have to deal with their personal challenges, rather than overcome them and possibly achieve true greatness, as Bisu did.

Anyway enough ranting. My favorite match was 2008 Ever OSL Finals, July vs Best, which can be seen here for those of you who haven't seen or would like to watch again:

+ Show Spoiler +


Game 1

+ Show Spoiler +


Game 2

+ Show Spoiler +


Game 3

+ Show Spoiler +


Series Over.

ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
February 01 2015 03:56 GMT
#29
On January 30 2015 16:38 Grobyc wrote:
You know, I've never even watched that match in one straight go despite it being such a pivot for the PvZ revolution. I think I'll do that now

I've never watched it either LOL. Then again I'm a Z > T > P fanboy so...
Jaedong :3
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 03:58:45
February 01 2015 03:57 GMT
#30
I didn't watch this live but thinking about the context while watching it, I can understand and see why this was a MAJOR upset and the start of a revolution. It's changed the game landscape so much.

On January 31 2015 11:29 Probemicro wrote:
i always wonder if savior had won that matchup instead, HOW would the rest of history had turned out differently?

Protoss would continue to whine about late game PvZ for a couple more years before someone else finds another strategy or just a modification of the same one that Bisu used is my guess.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
February 01 2015 08:02 GMT
#31
On January 30 2015 22:31 sCuMBaG wrote:
I remember this game off Tempest.
I think it was versus Light.
Where he effectively won the match with 3 dragoons versus some sort of bunker rush offrax strat.
that'll probably be the most memorable match i still have in mind.

found it..


I remember this game. Was great to watch. So amusing.

Nony eloquent and right as always.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
February 01 2015 14:11 GMT
#32
On February 01 2015 10:50 Dromar wrote:

Anyway enough ranting. My favorite match was 2008 Ever OSL Finals, July vs Best, which can be seen here for those of you who haven't seen or would like to watch again:

+ Show Spoiler +


Game 1

+ Show Spoiler +


Game 2

+ Show Spoiler +


Game 3

+ Show Spoiler +


Series Over.


This was the first OSL that I watched and the one that got me hooked to BW.
I was not around to watch some of the "older" epics like the Iris vs GGPlay or Savior vs Bisu series, but there is something special about ones where it's the "first" for you.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
February 01 2015 17:54 GMT
#33
On February 01 2015 23:11 don_kyuhote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 10:50 Dromar wrote:

Anyway enough ranting. My favorite match was 2008 Ever OSL Finals, July vs Best, which can be seen here for those of you who haven't seen or would like to watch again:

+ Show Spoiler +


Game 1

+ Show Spoiler +


Game 2

+ Show Spoiler +


Game 3

+ Show Spoiler +


Series Over.


This was the first OSL that I watched and the one that got me hooked to BW.
I was not around to watch some of the "older" epics like the Iris vs GGPlay or Savior vs Bisu series, but there is something special about ones where it's the "first" for you.

I remember watching that live too! In + Show Spoiler +
game 3 when they pan to July's natural and show like 16 Ultas sitting there, I freaked out.
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
February 01 2015 18:01 GMT
#34
i got into BW a little after this series (during the blizzard invitational when sc2 was announced) and I remember everyone had this profound hate of Bisu because he came out of nowhere to dominate everything
blabberrrrr
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 01:26:35
February 02 2015 01:21 GMT
#35
Great blog: concise yet evokes memory easily. I will never follow a sport nor game as closely as BW so I cherish the memories. I must also say that the classic BW is nicely matched with the classic TLers posting in this thread. Good ol' days.

Edit: I was watching the TL team play CSGO as I wrote this. Maybe these days aren't so bad either.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
February 02 2015 03:12 GMT
#36
HnR)hT jesus what an arrogant bastard.

I'm in the very small minority that dismisses anything Savior achieved in BW simply because he hurt BW which is something closely tied to my identity and youth so I'm glad this Bisu 3-0 happened to him. But watching it live I'd have to compare it to watching July's early OSL wins or his series vs Best. His superior understanding vs Best and unbending, relentless will to win in his first two OSL wins were incredible to watch like Bisu executing Sair-dt at the highest level on the grandest stage. There were a lot of jaw-drop moments in BW and these 2 were definitely among those. Glad to have watched it live.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
February 02 2015 15:27 GMT
#37
Ah, what a glorious day this was, I was never a big Protoss fan but I was always a Savior anti-fan for some reason, I respected the guy for his skill but I knew there was something off about him. He was never the same after this final.

I also remember people giving Bisu a lot of shit for going on holiday to Thailand shortly before the finals, supposedly he needed more practice time

The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
February 02 2015 22:02 GMT
#38
damn look at all these BW geezers coming out of the woodwork.

Well played JWZ, well played.
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1845 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 00:42:26
February 03 2015 00:42 GMT
#39
5/5, easiest rating I've given in my life ever

On February 01 2015 10:25 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 06:32 OneOther wrote:
legendary thread, legendary series. bw was my childhood. it's crazy to think how one player in one series changed the way people approached the game. sair-dt was born, and the three hatch scourage into five hatch hydra followed as a counter to that.

edit: watched this shit live obviously


That also took a long while to come up. Players need their time to figure out a counter. I think throwing a bunch of balance patches at the game as soon as a new "OP" strategy arises is the wrong approach. A healthy meta game that shifts on it's own is beautiful and really creates memories and changes that remain as history.


Yes! This combined with new maps coming out is one of the things I loved about BW. When the neo-sauron style that OneOther was talking about became popular, then Protoss had to come up with some new builds to counter that, which in turn Zerg had to find answers against. When Protoss players started doing strong attacks with Speedlots off of 2, 3, or 4 Gates to hit before the mass production of Hydras began, then the Zerg players had to find an answer to that, and they started positioning their buildings in a way to limit the effectiveness of these attacks, and so on.

That's one of the many amazing things about Brood War to me, just how it developed over time. And I was far from a good player, especially compared to the pro gamers, but even just logging into iCCup and playing games and watching replays every day, I could see that development happening right in front of me.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 03 2015 00:46 GMT
#40
It's really hard to overstate how important the Bisu vs. Savior MSL final was. There are very few players you can say that completely changed how the game was played the way Bisu did. Everyone knows that Bisu didn't invent forge fe, etc., but it didn't become the absolute standard PvZ template until this finals. Who else had such a great influence that lasted to BW to today? Bisu's influence on PvZ is comparable to what Savior did to ZvT, and Jaedong's later developments in ZvZ.
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