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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Over-saturation isn't terrible. Player burnout is. If anything players have to understand their own limits and pare back the competitive load accordingly. Yet at the same time, they can't expect to be excited about every single game, every single match. There are going to be grinds and professionals will play through the grind. | ||
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reTARDONTWITCHCHAT
Slovakia199 Posts
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Jarek
Australia35 Posts
I think EE also makes some good points about too many tournaments. You saw it happen in Starcraft II if you watched. It got boring quick having so many tournaments and on top of that those daily $100 micro tournaments. It sort of picked up with the BlizzCon WCS having certain tournaments add points to qualify for BlizzCon finals but still too much content. What makes the NHL, or any other professional sport good is the anticipation between seasons. I think Valve needs to step in. They have the rights to the game and they can enforce a limited amount of tournaments to be played by not letting people broadcast it. I just don't think there's enough money in it for them to be bothered to run a professional eSports organisation around DotA2. | ||
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malcram
2752 Posts
Every tournament organizer wants the best teams to participate in, so they throw in money. I'd say to the players, take a stand and just refuse to participate. The top teams determine which are the premier tournaments, not the organizers, or the money involved. | ||
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reTARDONTWITCHCHAT
Slovakia199 Posts
You just end up yoloing everything and playing with regrets. This is pretty much the reason i suck at school.I m too lazy to study and when i have too many sexams or tests i just yolo | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On December 16 2014 14:57 TanGeng wrote: This is definitely stream of consciousness, which is what Blitz did in a blog way back. Over-saturation isn't terrible. Player burnout is. If anything players have to understand their own limits and pare back the competitive load accordingly. Yet at the same time, they can't expect to be excited about every single game, every single match. There are going to be grinds and professionals will play through the grind. One of the issues right now is that there is no end to the grind, and the only end in sight is TI, and that ends rather quickly (and hype will fade if there is no build up to it, and right now there is only fading enthusiasm in the game). Oversaturation is terrible, as it leads to player burnout. It leads to caster burnout. Tournament burnout. Viewership burnout. It can kill games. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On December 16 2014 15:04 malcram wrote: Why don't teams start cherry picking tournaments to join? Tournaments that are actually worth their while. Wouldn't this create an environment where "natural selection" ends up determining which tournaments are T1 and the "not so premier" tournaments would be the ground for up-and-coming teams to participate in? Every tournament organizer wants the best teams to participate in, so they throw in money. I'd say to the players, take a stand and just refuse to participate. The top teams determine which are the premier tournaments, not the organizers, or the money involved. He explained why it's hard to not participate. Every tournament has a qualifier, and the qualifiers are running at the same time. If you drop out of events to begin with, you risk not making it to any LANs. In addition, if you then don't participate in many events, you lose chances to show that you are worthy of an invite to TI. Valve's policy of inviting teams to TI isn't transparently tied to other events, so teams scramble to play everything in order to get good results. If you play only a few tournaments, you take a big risk that having a bad day will cost you dearly because you opted to have only those few chances to prove your worth. | ||
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K0yomin
Peru1 Post
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Harpoon
Philippines93 Posts
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
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molecu
347 Posts
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Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Dotacinema showed how being different affects ticket sales positively. Add that captains draft is a legitimate tournament mode that can be played at a high level. Reverse captain mode and ardm tournaments will not do well because they will always be viewed as a joke/showmatch tournament with little seriousness. But captains draft has potential to be an alternative tournament mode. The next step is to make teams take the tournament more seriously, and of course remove EG if the tournament is predominantly EU. I think tournaments should now just invite top teams and leave qualifiers for the others. Top teams are not that worries for ti invite, but the fringe teams are. I don't see a reason why eg c9 or secret should be playing in qualifiers. The problem though is to know and dare to drop them from auto invites if they start sucking and invite others that have been doing well. And of course not invite shitty navi or tinker based on reputation. | ||
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ncsix
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malcram
2752 Posts
On December 16 2014 15:09 spudde123 wrote: He explained why it's hard to not participate. Every tournament has a qualifier, and the qualifiers are running at the same time. If you drop out of events to begin with, you risk not making it to any LANs. In addition, if you then don't participate in many events, you lose chances to show that you are worthy of an invite to TI. Valve's policy of inviting teams to TI isn't transparently tied to other events, so teams scramble to play everything in order to get good results. If you play only a few tournaments, you take a big risk that having a bad day will cost you dearly because you opted to have only those few chances to prove your worth. Getting direct invites is definitely nice and all. But there are still qualifiers. Everyone has bad days, but if you are confident in your abilities. I'd say taking part in fewer tournaments benefit you more than taking part in so many tournaments/qualifiers in a month. Taking part in lesser tournaments hype you up more. Spectators won't get bored of watching you. You prepare better for those that you choose to take part in. In fact, I don't think most of the current top teams would be risking their TI spots if they took part in lesser tournaments. Look at Team Secret. I think they are looking good for a TI direct invite at the moment. And they've only participated in 3 major events. ESL, SL X and TS2. They've shown good games and of course have "star power". But my point stands. They don't have to be taking part in D2L or Join Dota League or all the other 20 tournaments going on. Just show up at the right ones and smash face. @Duck, Tournament organizers won't stop inviting top teams. The sponsors want the eyeballs, and the eyeballs are what follow the top teams. Top teams are the ones that need to start making the decision of declining tournies to join. | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
The thing about casters is most definitely a huge problem, dota has no casters who are the quality of tastosis; There needs to be 10 pros who just flat out stop and go to casting to fix this kind of shit. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On December 16 2014 15:39 malcram wrote: Getting direct invites is definitely nice and all. But there are still qualifiers. Everyone has bad days, but if you are confident in your abilities. I'd say taking part in fewer tournaments benefit you more than taking part in so many tournaments/qualifiers in a month. Taking part in lesser tournaments hype you up more. Spectators won't get bored of watching you. You prepare better for those that you choose to take part in. In fact, I don't think most of the current top teams would be risking their TI spots if they took part in lesser tournaments. Look at Team Secret. I think they are looking good for a TI direct invite at the moment. And they've only participated in 3 major events. ESL, SL X and TS2. They've shown good games and of course have "star power". But my point stands. They don't have to be taking part in D2L or Join Dota League or all the other 20 tournaments going on. Just show up at the right ones and smash face. @Duck, Tournament organizers won't stop inviting top teams. The sponsors want the eyeballs, and the eyeballs are what follow the top teams. Top teams are the ones that need to start making the decision of declining tournies to join. You shouldn't be posting if you didn't bother to read the opening post. EE covered absolutely every little thing you've said in both of your posts. | ||
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dcttr66
United States555 Posts
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 16 2014 15:09 spudde123 wrote: He explained why it's hard to not participate. Every tournament has a qualifier, and the qualifiers are running at the same time. If you drop out of events to begin with, you risk not making it to any LANs. In addition, if you then don't participate in many events, you lose chances to show that you are worthy of an invite to TI. Valve's policy of inviting teams to TI isn't transparently tied to other events, so teams scramble to play everything in order to get good results. If you play only a few tournaments, you take a big risk that having a bad day will cost you dearly because you opted to have only those few chances to prove your worth. They have also began selectively dropping out of tournaments anyhow great blog EE; proud to be your fan | ||
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