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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
September 19 2014 18:40 GMT
#21
It's hard enough to predict things even 10 years into the future, much less 50-100...

For example, that timeframe extends past the death of Putin (currently 61), and it's impossible to currently know for sure who would succeed him and what their policies would be - or if Putin even continues to rule until his death or elder years instead of choosing to step down, being voted out, or even being overthrown/pressured out (unlikely, but possible). And the direction of Russian policy directly affects events Ukraine.

The Mideast is even more uncertain. Will there be an internal left-wing Israeli backlash against the right-wingers who have courted international criticism over the invasion of Gaza, or will some Palestinian group be able to seriously retaliate, either in Gaza, the West Bank (perhaps terrorist attacks on settlements), or Israel itself, thus stifling potential Israeli peacemakers? Will Assad (if he stays in power) or the military in Egypt see increasing tensions with Israel as beneficial, distracting their own populations from their autocracy, or decide that they can't risk over-extension and instead make tacit peace with Israel, enraging the radical Islamist groups? Perhaps the most interesting question - will there be another Arab Spring in 50-100 years (or even sooner) and will it be any more successful in establishing democracy in the Middle East? And if it does, would democratic governments make the Arab states more or less willing to confront Israel?

Basically, the smartest people in international relations have been grappling with these questions for decades and are still constantly surprised. Even major events like the fall of the Soviet Union and the Arab Spring were surprising to many experts.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
September 19 2014 18:43 GMT
#22
On September 19 2014 18:40 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Are you a lazy writer? You can use: "Ukraine became an independent state in 1991. One thing led to another, and the air liner was shot down by unknown military force in 2014."

Original:
+ Show Spoiler +
"Adolf Hitler's application to art school was denied at the age of eight. One thing led to another, and the United States dropped two atomic bombs on Japan."

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Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
September 19 2014 19:54 GMT
#23
http://www.diplomaatia.ee/en/past-issues/

Here are some good articles, though not all of them are on those particular conflicts.

I don't see any point in writing on those topics right now, as most facts are unclear. You'll probably be able to write a more informed piece in 20 years or so.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 19 2014 20:28 GMT
#24
On September 20 2014 03:27 opisska wrote:
I am surprised that so few people are willing to admit that they are experts on everything. It surely looks that way in the GD forum

Though we may be experts, we are also very, very modest.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
September 19 2014 21:19 GMT
#25
On September 20 2014 03:27 opisska wrote:
I am surprised that so few people are willing to admit that they are experts on everything. It surely looks that way in the GD forum

Harder to say you're an expert when you have to then deliver the merchandise!
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 20 2014 02:43 GMT
#26
It seems to me that anyone that keeps a weather eye to the news should be able to give you a basic rundown of the chain of events. At the risk of quoting Nietzsche, there isn't much disagreement of the facts, only the interpretation.

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Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 14:51:40
September 20 2014 14:33 GMT
#27
On September 19 2014 18:26 zatic wrote:
Half the people in the old Ukraine thread were already writing fiction exclusively, just let them do the job.


Thats why I keep out of it.

I tried my best but I only had 45 minutes and that wasn't enough to track what I read through. This is all I can give you right now, I have no time for analysis. Maybe tomorrow, I don't know yet. This post is incompletely and kind of useless because of that but its better than nothing, right ....


I never particularly focused on Ukraine/Russia/NATO post 1991 but it certainly had me interested for a few weeks so I played the old resources game, which is really hard without access to real information.
But I am not sure if thats what you are looking for, I kind of do this .. my way . I will try to get everything I looked through, you will have to read through most of it yourself (or the synopsis/intro of the papers at least).

Here we go.

I started with dependency, most importantly energy (except electricity per se, which is generated through solid fuels/oil/gas but for me its hard to make a correct correlation as to which amount goes into it). As eurostat has not updated with EU-29 stats, assume that most of it is EU-28 unless stated otherwise.

Primary energy imports
As you can see Russia still comfortably tops the crude oil import and provides about 1/3 of gas like Norway.
As more than half of the consumed energy comes from outside Europe, the EU has long tried to adopt new strategies like this one.

Main points are getting a more efficient energy grid and better resource sharing between countries, as well as transparent oil prices , more renewable energy etc. This is no longer a issue of providing enough energy to fuel the economy but more importantly this has always been a real security issue for the EU since its beginning and now gets the attention in the press/population it always had inside the EU.
It will be fun to see what the new (proposed, not ratified yet) EU-commissioners will do - Spain got energy/climate but more importantly Slovenia's ex prime minister Alenka Bratušek will be responsible for the energy-union. But I think I am getting off track.


So we know that the EU wants to get independent from Russian resources , and so do they. But this is not going to happen in the next 5-10 years, most likely not even after that. Going to take a while, if ever. That alone makes things complicated because the most fun thing is that as long as the EU depends on Russian exports and Russia has not expanded its pipelines/infrastructure towards the east, this co-dependency actually makes it easier, not harder, to deal with Russia. Fun stuff. Love me some realpolitik.



Okay I am kind of running out of time here, terribly sorry, the rest is for you to read ..

Some of the better papers I found (biased but good if you are able to read without inadvertently adopting every opinion you read).


NATO/EU


http://www.natowatch.org/sites/default/files/briefing_paper_no_49_-_ukraine_russia_crimea.pdf
http://www.amo.cz/editor/image/produkty1_soubory/nato-and-russia-after-crimea-from-failed-socialization-to-renewed-containment.pdf


RUSSIA

If you want a crash course on public relations, russian style, I urge you to read this speech from Putin on March 18, 2014 - on the height of the crisis.
http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6889

russian news, really highlights the mentality
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140418/189253499/OPINION-Russia-Neednt-Be-Afraid-of-Paper-Tiger-NATO.html






TRADE
with russia
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/september/tradoc_113440.pdf
with ukraine
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/september/tradoc_113459.pdf




SORRY AGAIN, RAN OUT OF TIME. Not even close to complete.


one more edit before I leave:

old EU strategy paper (2007-2013) for russia
http://ec.europa.eu/external_relations/russia/docs/2007-2013_en.pdf

if you want to understand the energy dependency
https://www.coleurope.eu/system/files_force/research-paper/edp_4_2012_hazakis_proedrou_0.pdf?download=1

old nato paper on russia
http://scoalanato.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/nato-russia.pdf

paper about the same as above
http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/081110_smith_natorussia_web.pdf

old nato review on russia (2011)
http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2011/nato_russia/EN/index.htm


Just skip over them if you want to - always good for some inspiration.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 20 2014 17:46 GMT
#28
It's very hard for us europeans to give an objective rundown of what happened in ukraine, because our medias are just making up everything about it on the theme "Poutine is Hitler#2, he's evil and everything he does is wrong, always".
So to have good info on the subject is pretty hard, and even when you have the info it's hard to share it because everyone is basically brainwashed on that subject. When you always hear that Poutine is evil, russia is evil, and its repeated for years on every media, trying to explain it's not that simple is well...not simple. And most of the time you end up being categorized as a "conspirationist".

It's even worse as a frenchman, Russia was always one of our historic allies (I'd even say friend) country, but since Sarkozy we're basically USA's dog and we have no foreign policy anymore while this was a very strong France's strenght before.
Now France prefer not honouring contracts we passed with Russia and putting thousands people in unemployement, this is crazy. I have some notes about the ukraine crisis, I'll try to translate and share this weekend.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2908 Posts
September 20 2014 18:15 GMT
#29
You need to start way way earlier than the current crisis, even earlier than 1991. Actually to fully understand the conflict you probably need to start with Kievan Rus in the middle ages and then go from there. The way Russia views Ukraine is hugely important due to it being a very central part of the birth of Russian culture/nation and then it's several hundreds of years of non-existence.
Crimea adds to the problem as it was never really a part of Ukraine (given to them in 1954 when no one could see the end of the soviet union, see how hard it is to predict even 50 years?) and it's central importance to Russia.

Then you have nationalistic Ukrainians after independence, collaboration with Nazis, the sense of betrayal from Russia from what they basically consider (considered?) to be Russians.

Is a pretty damn complicated subject.
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nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 22:58:58
September 21 2014 22:41 GMT
#30
On September 19 2014 18:26 zatic wrote:
Half the people in the old Ukraine thread were already writing fiction exclusively, just let them do the job.

and the other half was banned and censored.

the people whose voices should've be heard, the ukrainians and the russians (eastern europeans in general actually), were disproportionately moderated against in both that thread, and the airplane disaster thread.

it was a disgrace to teamliquid, and you're making jokes like that. shame on you.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 22 2014 13:47 GMT
#31
On September 22 2014 07:41 nunez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2014 18:26 zatic wrote:
Half the people in the old Ukraine thread were already writing fiction exclusively, just let them do the job.

and the other half was banned and censored.

the people whose voices should've be heard, the ukrainians and the russians (eastern europeans in general actually), were disproportionately moderated against in both that thread, and the airplane disaster thread.

it was a disgrace to teamliquid, and you're making jokes like that. shame on you.


And you really need to not bring this into my personal blog on writing science fiction with a proper basis in fact
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13430 Posts
September 22 2014 17:26 GMT
#32
On September 22 2014 22:47 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 07:41 nunez wrote:
On September 19 2014 18:26 zatic wrote:
Half the people in the old Ukraine thread were already writing fiction exclusively, just let them do the job.

and the other half was banned and censored.

the people whose voices should've be heard, the ukrainians and the russians (eastern europeans in general actually), were disproportionately moderated against in both that thread, and the airplane disaster thread.

it was a disgrace to teamliquid, and you're making jokes like that. shame on you.


And you really need to not bring this into my personal blog on writing science fiction with a proper basis in fact


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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
September 22 2014 17:46 GMT
#33
or start from Nikita Khrushchev who gave Russia's Crimea to Ukraine.
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ExBoshy
Profile Joined June 2014
118 Posts
September 24 2014 02:48 GMT
#34
I'm an expert in politics.
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