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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
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Last Edited: 2014-08-30 04:44:04
August 29 2014 23:50 GMT
#1
This blog is 4 serious, okay?

So I've been playing RTS games for a long-ass time now, starting with WarCraft II, then Command and Conquer, then Total Annihilation, then StarCraft, and I've also played a bunch of strategy-based games that I can't even remember all the names of. When SupCom came out, I immediately ran to the store and bought it, and wasn't able to play it until SEVEN YEARS LATER because my computer sux'd but now I have a good computer that can run that shit. Now the GPG server is no longer supported because GPG doesn't exist, and now there's an expansion I'd have to buy, and barely anyone plays now, so that's a lot of blah.

The thing that got me thinking about "What if I made my own gaem" started when a bunch of the people from Cavedog (Who developed TA) and Gas-Powered Games started working on Planetary Annihilation. When I heard there was gonna be another game like TA and SupCom, of course I was so excited that I squealed with joy. However, beyond the novelty factor of the planet-shaped battlefield and crashing an asteroid into it, the game seems kind of bland. This kind of thing has to do with games having an awesome-super-weapon-oriented play which seems to be the norm in SupCom games. Every match I've played in multiplayer for SupCom has literally just been RUSH TO EXPERIMENTALS, WIN. This has a lot to do with anti-rush sorts of mechanics built into the game, which, apparently, was a problem in TA with people rushing to flashes - BUT - it makes me think of the 'zerg rush' of StarCraft; just scout and build a fucking bunker, or in this case, build a fucking laser tower.

Point being, nobody wants to get 'rushed', but would rather have time to get huge awesome weapons to make huge explosions and be like "oooooooh". And that's fine. Except you do that maybe a couple dozen times over and it loses its fun-factor.

Of course, StarCraft has the infamous "Nuclear launch detected", which would throw you into a panic and then blow up all your stuff, that is, until you got better at the game and could just find the ghost and kill it instantly. Then the nuclear missile became more of a novelty item because it costs an arm and a leg to actually get to, and once you do get it, it doesn't do what you'd expect a nuclear missile to do (which is blow up everything) and takes fucking forever to go from lasing the target to actually falling down.

FUN FACT: The SC nuclear missile is lased with a ghost and doesn't blow up much area because it's a "tactical" nuke, but for some reason, it launches out of a silo and flies up into space, which is more of a strategic missile thing. Lawl.

So, once you get past the "GET NUKES", "GET BATTLECRUISERS", "GET CARRIERS" phase of playing RTS, you start thinking of how you can be sneaky and win games with your amazing level of wit and sneakiness, because you played a game online and saw someone build cannons in his opponent's base and you were like "That's funny, I'm gonna do that!" and then you start building a pylon in your brother's base on LAN connection and can barely contain your giggling when you start the first cannon. Your heart starts pounding and you're like "Jesus, I hope he doesn't see this because if this cannon does not build, I am screwed." and I think that's where games start to get truly 'fun', when possibilities start opening up that get you excited for the next game. And the next game, and the next game and so on!

But about variety in games: it goes both ways. A lot of variety isn't necessarily good variety. For example, in TA, there are so many fucking different units, all of which either perform essentially the same function, being tanky hard-hitting units that you mass a ton of, or being useless because they aren't tanky, hard-hitting units.


so uh yeah


My game kind of works like this: instead of gathering resources, you have a "drop point" where a supply helicopter drops off an equipment box or brings in personnel. You get to pick which supplies are brought in every time the drop point timer allows for it. You can also automate the drop point and set it to only bring tanks. You can also transport in materials to build another drop point or upgrade the drop point so that the supply helicopter doesn't take so fucking long to bring more supplies.

This game mechanic is really easy to manage, because the supply helicopter will continue to bring you more and more shit as long as the drop point is alive. If your enemy shoots down the supply helicopter, you have to wait for the next one, but you'll still have the drop point.

I have a few ideas for the 'base', but they're quite simple: Structures get divided into only two categories, Construction and Battlefield.

Battlefield refers to bunkers, walls, towers, ammo dumps, medical bays, repair shops

Construction refers to vehicle assembly, helicopter assembly, missile assembly, and an upgrade shop.

You start each game with a construction vehicle and a drop point. The supply helicopter immediately drops off a box of building materials, and then you have the option to set the supply helicopter to either bring infantry or to bring more building materials. The building materials can be used for anything. As soon as you tell the construction vehicle to build something, it will grab the building materials and start building stuff.

This brings us to the 'queue', which I'll discuss briefly: As soon as you give an order to build, that unit/building gets first priority in the queue at the drop point. For example, let's say you have a vehicle assembly and two construction vehicles.

1st order: Construction vehicle ordered to build a bunker.
2nd order: Vehicle Assembly ordered to build a tank
3rd order: Second construction vehicle ordered to build an ammo dump

Then the supply helicopter will bring materials in that order, and you can view the queue via hotkey or clicking on the drop point at any time. If there is a second drop point and so on, the second drop point will take the second order, and then whichever one gets to the third order first will bring the supplies. If they both receive orders simultaneously, then the game will crash a random one will be picked to bring the supplies by the game's AI.

If you just leave your drop points on "bring supplies" mode forever, you will not get infinite supplies. The helicopter will drop off one equipment box and will not ever come back until you use it, so don't let your macro be slipping.

Battlefield buildings:

Ammo Dump - Your units will run out of ammo in this game. After they run out of bullets, they'll run to the nearest ammo dump to get more of whatever they need and then return to the battle. So if your ammo dumps are far away from the fight, and your opponent's ammo dump is close, then your people will have to retreat all the way across the map to get ammo.

Medical Bay - This is basically your 'medic', but it's a building. When you send your infantry here, they recover HP. Yay.

Vehicle Repair Shop - Same as the medical bay, but for repairing anything that is vehicle-based, including construction vehicles.

Air Repair Shop - A special place for attack helicopters to go when they are hurting inside.

Tower - Basically an elevation that gives infantry in the tower a slightly further field of vision and +1 range so they will get the first shot against infantry on foot.

Bunker - A very tough structure that absorbs a ton of punishment. Infantry and vehicles can hide out inside of a bunker, but unlike the StarCraft bunker, they cannot all shoot out of the bunker, sorry Only one infantry unit can fire out from the bunker at a time with a heavy machine gun, which does light damage to armor and mild damage to infantry. The bunker is fully resistant against cruise missiles.

Drop Point - The place where your supply helicopters come to bring you equipment. These can only be destroyed by infantry.

Upgrade Shop - A place to upgrade your shit.

Construction buildings:

Vehicle Assembly - The supply helicopter will drop off equipment, and then a construction vehicle will automatically carry the equipment to this place where it is assembled into a vehicle. The types of vehicles you can build vary depending on which faction you play as.

Helicopter Assembly - The same as a vehicle assembly, where you build helicopters of various types.

Missile Assembly - The missile assembly builds missile launcher vehicles, which are nearly the same for each faction. There is a cruise missile launcher, nuclear missile launcher, SAM missile launcher. The actual missiles are also assembled here and this building acts as the ammo dump for missile launchers, although unlike ammo dumps, each missile requires equipment from the drop points to be built.


Factions

The game takes place after some kind of World War 3 nuclear holocaust thing happens, which destroys almost every major city in the world, along with nearly every airbase, missile silo and radar site. Additionally, most of the aircraft have already engaged in a huge suicidal aerial battle where nearly every air force is left crippled. Despite most of each nation's military and infrastructure being destroyed, the commanders decide to just continue fighting each other "until the politicians tell us the war's over", which, of course, can't happen because they're all dead. A bit of dark humor there, but that's how it goes in this world: the tiny remains of the military forces just continue to do battle because they're just following orders and are officially in a state of war until further notice. There are three playable factions.

AMERICA: + Show Spoiler [American forces] +


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America is lead by a tall, blonde, good Christian country gal who was elected President of the United States because she promised everyone free lottery tickets. She is the only head-of-state that seems to have survived the nuclear strike at the beginning of the war, but doesn't seem interested in peace, and continues to fight the war because 'God wants America to prevail'.

To keep the game balanced, I'd probably have to do a ton of testing, but basically, all units would have following stats: HP, Ammo Capacity, Armor, Rate of Fire, Damage, Movement, Sight, and Cost. All costs are relative to their factional counterparts.

Infantry:

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American Marine
HP: Low
Ammo: Medium
Armor: Light
RoF: Medium
Damage: Medium
Movement: Medium
Sight: Medium
Cost: N/A

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American Sniper
HP: Low
Ammo: Medium
Armor: Light
RoF: Low
Damage: Very high
Movement: Medium
Sight: High
Cost: N/A

Vehicles:

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Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle
Type: Transport vehicle (Can fire at all targets)
HP: Medium
Ammo: Low
Armor: Medium
RoF: Medium
Damage: Medium
Movement: Medium
Sight: Low
Cost: Medium

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M163 Vulcan
Type: AAA (Can only fire at air targets)
HP: Low
Ammo: Medium
Armor: Low
RoF: High
Damage: Low
Movement: Medium
Sight: Medium
Cost: Medium

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M1A1 Tank
Type: Battle tank (Can only fire at ground targets)
HP: High
Ammo: Medium
Armor: Heavy
RoF: Low
Damage: Very High
Movement: Medium
Sight: High
Cost: High

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M109 Paladin
Type: Artillery (Can only fire at ground targets)
HP: Low
Ammo: Low
Armor: Medium
RoF: Low
Damage: Medium
Movement: Low
Sight: Very High
Cost: High

Helicopters:

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CH-47 Chinook
Type: Transport (No weapons)
HP: Medium
Ammo: None
Armor: Light
RoF: None
Damage: None
Movement: Medium
Sight: Very High
Cost: High

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AH-64 Apache
Type: Attack Helicopter
HP: Medium
Ammo: Low
Armor: Medium
RoF: Very High
Damage: Medium
Movement: Fast
Sight: High
Cost: Very High

Missiles:

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Patriot Missile Launcher
Type: Surface-to-Air Missile Launcher
HP: Low
Ammo: N/A
Armor: Light
RoF: Low
Damage: Very High
Movement: Slow
Sight: Very High
Cost: Very High

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Gryphon Missile Launcher
Type: Cruise Missile (ground-to-ground) Launcher
HP: Low
Ammo: N/A
Armor: Light
Damage: Very High (ineffective against bunkers)
Movement: Slow
Sight: Low
Cost: Very High

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Nuclear Missile
HP: Low
Ammo: N/A
Armor: Light
RoF: N/A
Damage: Astronomical (Light damage to bunkers)
Movement: Very Fast
Sight: N/A
Cost: Astronomical


RUSSIA: + Show Spoiler [Russian forces] +


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Russia is led by a tough former Spetnatz Officer who has a deep voice like a bear, forged by the bitter winters of Siberia. He is driven by sacred duty to protect Mother Russia from American and Chinese invasions, and of course, he drinks vodka. I'd drink too - war is terrible, comrade.

Suhoputnye voyska Rossiyskoy Federatsii:

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Russian Voyska
HP: Low
Ammo: High
Armor: Light
RoF: High
Damage: Medium
Movement: Medium
Sight: Medium
Cost: N/A

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Russian Metkiy Strelok
HP: Low
Ammo: Low
Armor: Light
RoF: Low
Damage: High
Movement: Medium
Sight: Medium
Cost: N/A

Vehicles:

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BTR-90 Bronetransporter
Type: Transport vehicle (Can fire at all targets)
HP: Medium
Ammo: Medium
Armor: Medium
RoF: Medium
Damage: Medium
Movement: High
Sight: Low
Cost: Medium

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ZU-23 Sergey
Type: AAA (Can only fire at air targets)
HP: Low
Ammo: High
Armor: Medium
RoF: High
Damage: Low
Movement: Medium
Sight: Medium
Cost: Medium

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T-80 Tankovyy
Type: Battle tank (Can only fire at ground targets)
HP: High
Ammo: Medium
Armor: Heavy
RoF: Low
Damage: Very High
Movement: Medium
Sight: High
Cost: High

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2S19 Msta
Type: Artillery (Can only fire at ground targets)
HP: Low
Ammo: Low
Armor: Medium
RoF: Low
Damage: Medium/High
Movement: Low
Sight: Very High
Cost: High

Helicopters:

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Mi-26 Izdeliye 90
Type: Transport (No weapons)
HP: Medium
Ammo: None
Armor: Medium
RoF: None
Damage: None
Movement: Medium
Sight: Very High
Cost: High

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Mi-24 Krokodil
Type: Attack Helicopter
HP: Low
Ammo: Medium
Armor: Heavy
RoF: Medium
Damage: Medium
Movement: High
Sight: High
Cost: Very High

Missiles:

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S-400
Type: Surface-to-Air Missile Launcher
HP: Low
Ammo: N/A
Armor: Light
RoF: Low
Damage: Very High
Movement: Slow
Sight: Very High
Cost: Very High

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Granat
Type: Cruise Missile (ground-to-ground) Launcher
HP: Low
Ammo: N/A
Armor: Light
Damage: Very High (ineffective against bunkers)
Movement: Slow
Sight: Low
Cost: Very High

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Nuclear Missile
HP: Low
Ammo: N/A
Armor: Light
RoF: N/A
Damage: Astronomical (Light damage to bunkers)
Movement: Very Fast
Sight: N/A
Cost: Astronomical


CHINA: + Show Spoiler [Chinese forces] +


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China's leader is a no-nonsense, extremely calm but intimidating general who believes that eliminating America is the only way to atone for the deaths of all those who died in the nuclear strike. He sees Russia as more of a nuisance, but is determined to conquer Russia 'before the Americans do'.

Infantry:

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Zhanshi
HP: Low
Ammo: Low
Armor: Light
RoF: Medium
Damage: Low
Movement: Medium
Sight: Medium
Cost: N/A

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Nujujishou
HP: Low
Ammo: Low
Armor: Light
RoF: Low
Damage: High
Movement: Medium
Sight: Medium
Cost: N/A

Vehicles:

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ZBD-09
Type: Transport vehicle (Can fire at all targets)
HP: Low
Ammo: Low
Armor: Medium
RoF: Low
Damage: High
Movement: Low/Medium
Sight: Low
Cost: Low

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Type 95 shi zixing gaoshepao
Type: AAA (Can only fire at air targets)
HP: Low
Ammo: Medium
Armor: Low
RoF: High
Damage: Low
Movement: Slow
Sight: Medium
Cost: Low

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ZTZ-99
Type: Battle tank (Can only fire at ground targets)
HP: High
Ammo: Medium
Armor: Heavy
RoF: Low
Damage: High
Movement: Medium
Sight: Medium
Cost: High

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SH-5 Huopao
Type: Artillery (Can only fire at ground targets)
HP: Low
Ammo: Medium
Armor: Low
RoF: Medium
Damage: Low
Movement: Medium/High
Sight: High
Cost: Medium

Helicopters:

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Mi-17
Type: Transport (No weapons)
HP: Low
Ammo: None
Armor: Low
RoF: None
Damage: None
Movement: Medium
Sight: Very High
Cost: High

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WZ-10
Type: Attack Helicopter
HP: High
Ammo: Low
Armor: Light
RoF: Medium
Damage: Medium
Movement: Very Fast
Sight: High
Cost: Very High

Missiles:

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KS-1A
Type: Surface-to-Air Missile Launcher
HP: Low
Ammo: N/A
Armor: Light
RoF: Low
Damage: Very High
Movement: Slow
Sight: Very High
Cost: Very High

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East Sea
Type: Cruise Missile (ground-to-ground) Launcher
HP: Low
Ammo: N/A
Armor: Light
Damage: Very High (ineffective against bunkers)
Movement: Slow
Sight: Low
Cost: Very High

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Nuclear Missile
HP: Low
Ammo: N/A
Armor: Light
RoF: N/A
Damage: Astronomical (Light damage to bunkers)
Movement: Very Fast
Sight: N/A
Cost: Astronomical


Unit explanations:

Infantry: These are your little guys who run around and shoot guns and rockets. The transport helicopter will continuously bring you reinforcements of infantry in fours, along with one sniper for a total of five troops. They can enter transport vehicles and helicopters (very easily, like StarCraft dropships) and are very multi-purpose in nature.

Transport Vehicle: Basically a ground-based way of transporting infantry. Vehicles move faster than infantry, and also have more protection against incoming fire. Transport vehicles can also fight using their cannon, but are only good against small numbers of infantry.

AAA: A cheap way to deal with attack helicopters and to snipe transport helicopters. In a one-on-one fight, an AAA gun can't deal with an attack helicopter, but will most likely severely damage the enemy chopper. AAA guns cannot deal damage to tanks and infantry, and are easy targets for these forces.

Tank: Pretty much everyone's favorite thing ever, of course. Tanks are good at blowing up pretty much everything ground-based, but don't have a huge AOE attack, so they aren't overpowered against infantry, although one shot can kill a few soldiers that are all clumped together.

Artillery: Sort of like a tank, but without the armor or mobility. The benefit of artillery is that it out-ranges armor, and while it has a lower damage output, the AOE area is higher.

Transport Helicopter: Faster than a transport vehicle, but not as well-protected. Helicopters will get ripped apart by AAA or SAM missiles if they fly into danger. Unlike transport vehicles, which can only carry infantry, a transport helicopter can also pick up one vehicle.

Attack Helicopter: Higher DPS than a tank, but much less armor. The main advantage to having air units is their mobility, so despite their low health, they have the ability to escape from danger quickly.

SAM: A slow-firing missile system that blows shit out of the air with one hit. The only way for an air unit to avoid dying is to fly out of range of the SAM radar before getting hit by the missile. It's pretty sick. SAMs can be used to shoot down incoming cruise missiles as well.

Cruise missile: The most powerful anti-ground unit, which also blows up single ground targets with one hit, but constructs missiles incredibly slowly. The cruise missile launcher can fire onto any part of the map, regardless of whether there is something there or not, but you must maintain vision to hit a moving ground unit, because if the unit disappears into the fog of war, the missile will just hit the ground.

Nuclear missile: The nuclear missile will blow up everything on the entire fucking map except for drop points and bunkers. Once the missile has been launched, you will have to hide as much stuff in your bunkers as possible, or else risk losing it all. You will lose all your assemblies, upgrades shops, towers, wall fortifications, ammo dumps, and so on. Is this overpowered? Abso-fucking-lutely, so if you don't have a SAM launcher to intercept the nuclear missile, then you might have to start over from scratch... well... you'll still have all your drop points, so if you have like 20 drop points, you'll be able to regenerate super-quickly.



Balance

Obviously, balance is a big issue for people who play a game. They want to feel like they got the absolute most fair game possible. However, this feeling isn't always in-synch with reality, which is why I would balance it like this:

All drop points reload at the same speed for all factions.
Russia would have the fewest infantry dropped off, but the best.
China would have the most infantry dropped off, but the worst.
America would be the "middle ground" faction.
The same rules would generally apply to each factions other stuff as well.

The Russian helicopters would be the slowest, but most well-armed
The American helicopters would be the fastest, but least heavily-armed
The Chinese helicopters would be middle ground

The Russian tank has a high damage output but less armor
The American tank has a lower damage output but more armor
The Chinese tank is cheaper than either factions tanks, but generally worse

The Chinese artillery is the most mobile, but does less damage
The Russian artillery hits the hardest, but is slow
The American artillery has the longest range

So far, you may be thinking "So why doesn't everyone just pick Russia and 1a2a3a to victory?" and it's because of cost, which is usually just measured in time. For example, a "cheaper" unit will take less time to finish assembling or to be transported in. If it turns out that Russia is imbalanced, the game can be patched accordingly. It wouldn't take 50 patches, though, and I wouldn't go "SOON" and then never do anything.


Spells

You can't have a game without spells. Well, sorta. There are some things that have to be done manually, such as sending hurt infantry to a medical bay or sending helicopters to go repair, loading and unloading transports, converting equipment into units and buildings, sending construction vehicles to build stuff, and so on, but there also are some things I want done manually, like telling your artillery and cruise missiles where to fire. The artillery shells are basically your "psi storms" against mass infantry clumps, and cruise missiles are your way of being obnoxious and raining death from the skies.

The terrain will be utilizable, with high ground having an advantage in sight and accuracy, and lots of places to hide stuff. This is where the "hold fire" command will come into play - the same idea as stop lurkers - and I actually got the idea from that tall grass that you can hide in playing LoL. If you put troops into, say, tall grass and tell them to hold fire, they'll remain hidden, and when some poor unsuspecting helicopter flies over, they'll all pop up and start firing at it.

Your secondary infantry units, which are specialists and snipers, will also be able to sabotage buildings and tanks, and planting a bomb that counts down and then blows them up. For example, if you order a sniper to sabotage a tank, she will run up to the tank and plant a bomb on it. Even if she dies, the bomb will still be strapped to the tank and 10 seconds later, it will explode. Snipers can also be upgraded to carry rocket launchers to fire at vehicles and helicopters.

All infantry units will be able to hold fire, take cover, destroy drop points, and fire rockets. Each infantry will get one shoulder-mounted rocket if they are upgraded, and this can be used against vehicles, helicopters and infantry. Taking cover will increase an opposing unit's miss-chance when firing at infantry, and each hit will do slightly less damage. When given the command, infantry will dart to the nearest cover spot, and if none are in the immediate vicinity, they will simply drop down onto their bellies and crawl forward while shooting. You can create artificial cover by building walls with your construction vehicles.


Corpses

There definitely need to be corpses. This is something I absolutely would insist on having in the game. Even if someone came along and completely ruined everything else, this needs to stay in: if a tank blows up, there is a burning tank corpse left behind. If a helicopter crashes, there is a burning helicopter corpse left behind. You can have your living units take cover behind destroyed ones, which become obstacles that must be climbed over or cleared out.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, play TA or SupCom sometime, and you'll know what I'm talking about.

The same will go for infantry, which will probably make the game unsuitable for kids to play but: if an infantry man or woman gets killed, their body just lays there. Infantry versus infantry battles will simply leave bodies laying around, but any kind of explosive-based death leaves them as charred black bodies. If you think that's sadistic, wait until you read the next section. But that's war: it's awful and people die.


Alterable environment

This is something that just needs to happen in pretty much any modern game, but it's a complex task to make the whole environment alterable in a realistic manner. And I'm not suggesting that we create a game where we can blow up a whole mountain and chunks of it go flying everywhere. Just I hate it in games when bullet-holes disappear or blast craters vanish because there are too many on the map. I say if something is going to burn, it's going to burn and it's not going to get back to normal in 30 seconds.

The game will have neutral units/buildings, but there will be a lot of civilian buildings and people around, and while your troops will generally ignore them, you can kill everything. If there is a bridge, you can blow up the bridge. If there is a church, you can blow up the church. You can wreck the roads so they become more difficult to move through for vehicles. You can set trees and houses on fire. And yes, you can kill civilians for no fucking reason. And their livestock.

Since soldiers and tanks can interact with the environment, you will have the ability to hide troops virtually anywhere where there are trees, buildings and so on.

I would definitely want the following items to be put into the game:

Male Civilian (at least 3 types)
Female Civilian (at least 3 types)
Dog
Cattle
Bear
Parked Car (at least 6 colors, red, blue, black, white, grey, yellow)
Parked Bus
Community Church
Cathedral Church
Civilian Residential Structure (at least 5 types)
Long Bridge
Short Bridge
School
Commercial Store (5 types)
Gas station
Factory (5 types)
Chemical Plant
Power Plant
High-rise structure (5-6 kinds)
Radio Tower
Water Tower

And so on, along with paved roads, dirt roads, fences and sidewalks. There will be various map types, as well, including:

Green Forest(Basically, "Jungle Terrain")
Winter Wonderland
Urban Area
Desert
Mountains
Farmland

Fires

Gamers love when stuff explodes. Don't ask me why. But I don't want any of the explosion graphics to be half-assed. I want the game to fun to just look at, even if you're not playing.

Interface

I don't want the interface to be cluttered with a bunch of shit, but there needs to be a mini-map, a unit-selection panel, which will counter out what you have selected, like so:

392 Voyska
49 Metkiy Strelok
56 T-80 Tankovyy
34 2S19 Msta

And a production toggle, which will set what is to be delivered at each drop point. By default, the drop point will be set to 'infantry', but if you click it, it will switch to 'equipment'. If you lost every construction vehicle, you can click on an equipment box and order it to morph into a construction vehicle. Construction vehicles will build all of the buildings, and transport equipment boxes to assembly plants. If there is an assembly plant that needs equipment, the nearest not-active (meaning not building a structure or given orders) construction vehicle will deliver the equipment to the assembly plant.

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So we got ourselves a pretty clean interface. Hitting a hotkey or clicking the tab in the bottom right would show the production toggles.

tech tree
The tech tree is fairly simple. A construction vehicle is the prerequisite for:

Upgrade Shop + Vehicle Assembly | Upgrades available upon completion: 'construct bunker', 'construct vehicle repair shop', upgrade ammo dump, +1 range for artillery available for upgrade,
Helicopter Assembly | Upgrades: rockets for infantry, radar range for AAA, 'construct helicopter repair station', upgrade medical bay, upgrade vehicle repair shop
Missile Assembly | Upgrades: radar range for SAMs, 'construct nuclear missile launcher', upgrade helicopter repair station

Towers, walls, construction vehicles, medical bays and ammo dumps are always available for construction. Each tier 1 upgrade costs 1 equipment box. Each tier 2 upgrade/structure costs 2 equipment boxes. Each tier 3 upgrade costs 4 equipment boxes. Constructing a new drop site costs 8 equipment boxes.

So yeah, that's my rough draft of my idea for now.

I wanna know what YOU think! Not "good idea but this will probably never get made unless you got money", but about the game concept, because this game has a lot less emphasis on macro than StarCraft and a lot more emphasis on using small tactics and microing.

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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-30 04:43:44
August 29 2014 23:54 GMT
#2
Fun fact: I didn't mention anything about pathing, soundtrack, multiplayer or tech tree stuff (Tech tree section written!).

Edit: maybe I'll edit later...

Also, I had to do some research to learn about some of the weapons our countries use. That was kinda fun.
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404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 23:57:14
August 29 2014 23:55 GMT
#3
you whould get in touch with decemberscalm ^^
He could make a rough version of this game probably in the sc2 editor.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 30 2014 00:28 GMT
#4
On August 30 2014 08:55 404AlphaSquad wrote:
you whould get in touch with decemberscalm ^^
He could make a rough version of this game probably in the sc2 editor.


Would he just make a mod like this out of the blue? That seems like it'd be a lot of work for something that might not ever get touched by anyone.
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
August 30 2014 00:41 GMT
#5
I like the idea about the drop point and how destroyed buildings/vehicles stay there and become part of the terrain. I especially like the idea of the drop points because it seems like it would require less multitasking/macro capabilities and allow more room for constant action throughout the game.

I think what I really don't like about this idea is that it's just a modern military-based RTS. Different races and completely different unit sets are really what make SC2 and other RTS so dynamic and enjoyable to me. I mean I could see this idea being fun, but not addicting and competitive like SC is.
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deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-30 01:36:12
August 30 2014 01:29 GMT
#6
On August 30 2014 09:41 Grobyc wrote:
I like the idea about the drop point and how destroyed buildings/vehicles stay there and become part of the terrain. I especially like the idea of the drop points because it seems like it would require less multitasking/macro capabilities and allow more room for constant action throughout the game.

I think what I really don't like about this idea is that it's just a modern military-based RTS. Different races and completely different unit sets are really what make SC2 and other RTS so dynamic and enjoyable to me. I mean I could see this idea being fun, but not addicting and competitive like SC is.


Yes, i was thinking the same thing. Why don't you have one race as the army, another as terrorist/freedom fighters and a third one i don't have a good idea for. This would allow for unit variety leading to more interesting strategy.

Edit: I just thought, the 3rd race could be mercenaries like the A-Team or something like that
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Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
August 30 2014 02:08 GMT
#7
Would you consider learning the map editor of WC3, BW or SC2 to create the game you want? Similar to recent modifications of Starbow and SC2BW. Where they change the tech trees and even the game mechanics within StarCraft?
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 30 2014 02:34 GMT
#8
That Chinese woman is definitely in the special forces.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 30 2014 02:47 GMT
#9
On August 30 2014 09:41 Grobyc wrote:
I like the idea about the drop point and how destroyed buildings/vehicles stay there and become part of the terrain. I especially like the idea of the drop points because it seems like it would require less multitasking/macro capabilities and allow more room for constant action throughout the game.

I think what I really don't like about this idea is that it's just a modern military-based RTS. Different races and completely different unit sets are really what make SC2 and other RTS so dynamic and enjoyable to me. I mean I could see this idea being fun, but not addicting and competitive like SC is.


I've never really seen a "good" modern-military type of RTS unless you count the C&C series as good, but I really feel like C&C is more just mildly amusement as opposed to being a really good game. Robots, Medieval, and Alien types of armies have been done to death in RTS.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-30 02:56:53
August 30 2014 02:56 GMT
#10
On August 30 2014 10:29 deathly rat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 09:41 Grobyc wrote:
I like the idea about the drop point and how destroyed buildings/vehicles stay there and become part of the terrain. I especially like the idea of the drop points because it seems like it would require less multitasking/macro capabilities and allow more room for constant action throughout the game.

I think what I really don't like about this idea is that it's just a modern military-based RTS. Different races and completely different unit sets are really what make SC2 and other RTS so dynamic and enjoyable to me. I mean I could see this idea being fun, but not addicting and competitive like SC is.


Yes, i was thinking the same thing. Why don't you have one race as the army, another as terrorist/freedom fighters and a third one i don't have a good idea for. This would allow for unit variety leading to more interesting strategy.

Edit: I just thought, the 3rd race could be mercenaries like the A-Team or something like that


The good thing is that we're not restricted to having only three races. There is no set "lore", so there could be a fourth alien invasion force that is attacking the earth while the humans are fighting. Having a group of terrorists or freedom fighters doesn't seem to be a bad idea except that there's almost no way for a guerrilla army to take on a trained conventional army without taking massive damage. A guerrilla war is almost always far more costly and destructive for the guerrilla fighters than it is for the occupying army.

On August 30 2014 11:34 Jerubaal wrote:
That Chinese woman is definitely in the special forces.


Yeah she is.
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
August 30 2014 03:01 GMT
#11
Maybe so, but even if there was a really well made modern-military type RTS I can't see it being as widespread and profitable as something with extraterrestrial races, even if they are overdone. I just don't think they have as much potential no matter how they're done. Definitely less enjoyable to watch as well. It's like a game that only has TvT :/
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MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
August 30 2014 03:14 GMT
#12
Have you played Eugen's Act of War? It's structurally a Blizzard-style RTS set with modern military equipment, but they do have helicopters flying in all of your heavy equipment and nifty infantry mechanics involving cover, garrisons, and POWs. The campaign is also done with C&C-style camp live-action cinematics, and it's all very entertaining.

Trust in Bayes.
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
August 30 2014 03:42 GMT
#13
On August 30 2014 11:56 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 10:29 deathly rat wrote:
On August 30 2014 09:41 Grobyc wrote:
I like the idea about the drop point and how destroyed buildings/vehicles stay there and become part of the terrain. I especially like the idea of the drop points because it seems like it would require less multitasking/macro capabilities and allow more room for constant action throughout the game.

I think what I really don't like about this idea is that it's just a modern military-based RTS. Different races and completely different unit sets are really what make SC2 and other RTS so dynamic and enjoyable to me. I mean I could see this idea being fun, but not addicting and competitive like SC is.


Yes, i was thinking the same thing. Why don't you have one race as the army, another as terrorist/freedom fighters and a third one i don't have a good idea for. This would allow for unit variety leading to more interesting strategy.

Edit: I just thought, the 3rd race could be mercenaries like the A-Team or something like that


A guerrilla war is almost always far more costly and destructive for the guerrilla fighters than it is for the occupying army.


Isn't that perfect for setting up a different race? One that is high in numbers but low in efficiency, like Zerg (supposedly) in SC2?
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 30 2014 04:14 GMT
#14
On August 30 2014 12:01 Grobyc wrote:
Maybe so, but even if there was a really well made modern-military type RTS I can't see it being as widespread and profitable as something with extraterrestrial races, even if they are overdone. I just don't think they have as much potential no matter how they're done. Definitely less enjoyable to watch as well. It's like a game that only has TvT :/


I actually tend to agree with you on the popularity of the sub-genre. However, that aside, doing something that involves a post-modern military conflict is interesting to me personally. And yes, I understand your skepticism, but I particularly like this time period (I also really like the Napoleonic Era stuff) in terms of warfare, because it is anything but turtley; wars now are often fast and dynamic, even when war planes are uninvolved. Just because the fight is Human vs Human doesn't necessarily mean you're going to see TvT.

On August 30 2014 12:14 MidnightGladius wrote:
Have you played Eugen's Act of War? It's structurally a Blizzard-style RTS set with modern military equipment, but they do have helicopters flying in all of your heavy equipment and nifty infantry mechanics involving cover, garrisons, and POWs. The campaign is also done with C&C-style camp live-action cinematics, and it's all very entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Piam58oqA


I went on youtube and started watching gameplay from other RTS games, and I am intrigued by them, but I kind of don't want to create a 'realistic' war-game, because the more fantasy you make it, the more creative liberties you can take, and if I were to create a game, it'd have to be something that was open to my imagination rather than restricting my imagination to certain parameters for the sake of 'realism'. That being said, Act of War does look interesting, and I might give it a whirl, along with a couple of other games I saw on the youtubes.

On August 30 2014 12:42 deathly rat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 11:56 ninazerg wrote:
On August 30 2014 10:29 deathly rat wrote:
On August 30 2014 09:41 Grobyc wrote:
I like the idea about the drop point and how destroyed buildings/vehicles stay there and become part of the terrain. I especially like the idea of the drop points because it seems like it would require less multitasking/macro capabilities and allow more room for constant action throughout the game.

I think what I really don't like about this idea is that it's just a modern military-based RTS. Different races and completely different unit sets are really what make SC2 and other RTS so dynamic and enjoyable to me. I mean I could see this idea being fun, but not addicting and competitive like SC is.


Yes, i was thinking the same thing. Why don't you have one race as the army, another as terrorist/freedom fighters and a third one i don't have a good idea for. This would allow for unit variety leading to more interesting strategy.

Edit: I just thought, the 3rd race could be mercenaries like the A-Team or something like that


A guerrilla war is almost always far more costly and destructive for the guerrilla fighters than it is for the occupying army.


Isn't that perfect for setting up a different race? One that is high in numbers but low in efficiency, like Zerg (supposedly) in SC2?


Well, you'd think that, because while in lore, Zerg is an overwhelming presence, in StarCraft 1, you will find that Zerg does more tech-rush types of stuff for much of the early and mid game. When conceptualizing my idea for a game, the People's Republic of China kind of seemed to fill that 'Zerg' role, having a lot of cheap artillery, infantry and AAA units available. This is not to say a guerrilla faction is out of the question, but I'd have to figure out some way to make them viable in multiplayer mode without getting the crap kicked out of them.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 30 2014 04:26 GMT
#15
On August 30 2014 12:14 MidnightGladius wrote:
Have you played Eugen's Act of War? It's structurally a Blizzard-style RTS set with modern military equipment, but they do have helicopters flying in all of your heavy equipment and nifty infantry mechanics involving cover, garrisons, and POWs. The campaign is also done with C&C-style camp live-action cinematics, and it's all very entertaining.

Act of War seemed more like it was inspired by C&C Generals, which itself was more Starcraft-ish than the other C&C games (which is why it catches a lot of flak from C&C fans for using the C&C name).

I thought Act of War was a fairly decent lesser-known RTS for its time with some interesting mechanics. Obviously, it was overshadowed by other games that were more solid and made by better-known companies.

Eugen System's has recently announced Act of Aggression as a spiritual sequel to Act of War. It's supposed to be trying to channel the spirit of older traditional RTS apparently.

http://www.actofaggression-game.com/#
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
August 30 2014 06:11 GMT
#16
On August 30 2014 13:14 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 12:01 Grobyc wrote:
Maybe so, but even if there was a really well made modern-military type RTS I can't see it being as widespread and profitable as something with extraterrestrial races, even if they are overdone. I just don't think they have as much potential no matter how they're done. Definitely less enjoyable to watch as well. It's like a game that only has TvT :/


I actually tend to agree with you on the popularity of the sub-genre. However, that aside, doing something that involves a post-modern military conflict is interesting to me personally. And yes, I understand your skepticism, but I particularly like this time period (I also really like the Napoleonic Era stuff) in terms of warfare, because it is anything but turtley; wars now are often fast and dynamic, even when war planes are uninvolved. Just because the fight is Human vs Human doesn't necessarily mean you're going to see TvT.

Yeah that's true, I just meant it's like TvT is the sense that you're limited in choices for race. Only mild differences in the unit sets for each team/nationality.
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Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
August 30 2014 06:49 GMT
#17
Here's an idea: North Korea nukes the shit out of everybody and colonizes China.

Anyway the drop resource income sounds like a cool idea, it would introduce a lot of strategical and tactical mechanics. I like it that's all I've got. You say there's a lot less focus on macro than SC, I guess that would depend on the scale of the battle. If you consider a larger force that has to be maintained with drops, I would assume the drops increase in frequency and it could be quite demanding to manage, gather and keep track of everything, especially if some drops are shot down prematurely and need to be retrieved from beyond the enemy line etc. I would like to see that as well.
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-30 07:08:18
August 30 2014 06:59 GMT
#18
there should also be wild critters
let me show u how they can be used
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

p.s u should hire me for character/concept design
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 30 2014 07:45 GMT
#19
On August 30 2014 15:49 Stratos wrote:
Here's an idea: North Korea nukes the shit out of everybody and colonizes China.

Anyway the drop resource income sounds like a cool idea, it would introduce a lot of strategical and tactical mechanics. I like it that's all I've got. You say there's a lot less focus on macro than SC, I guess that would depend on the scale of the battle. If you consider a larger force that has to be maintained with drops, I would assume the drops increase in frequency and it could be quite demanding to manage, gather and keep track of everything, especially if some drops are shot down prematurely and need to be retrieved from beyond the enemy line etc. I would like to see that as well.


Yeah, macro would be important still, like if for example, you made like 40 drop points and told them to all transport in supplies. Well, then you'd have a ton of equipment boxes sitting around if you didn't macro. Since this idea is still experimental in nature, there's really no way to know how it'll work out unless it gets tested somehow.

On August 30 2014 15:59 Shock710 wrote:
there should also be wild critters
let me show u how they can be used
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

p.s u should hire me for character/concept design


You're hired.
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d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
August 30 2014 07:47 GMT
#20
On August 30 2014 08:50 ninazerg wrote:
When SupCom came out, I immediately ran to the store and bought it, and wasn't able to play it until SEVEN YEARS LATER because my computer sux'd but now I have a good computer that can run that shit. Now the GPG server is no longer supported because GPG doesn't exist, and now there's an expansion I'd have to buy, and barely anyone plays now, so that's a lot of blah.


This is sad =(. My experience from supcom multiplayer is rather different from yours. I remember 1v1 being masses of T1 units maneuvering around and most games ending at T2. 3v3 and 4v4 was all super units though. Will read the actual idea part of this later.
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