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Sandisk SHOUTcraft Invitational Post-mortem - Page 4

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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
June 11 2014 19:55 GMT
#61
I'm super happy to hear someone else encouraging the BO5 and BO7 formats. A favorite tournament of mine (that you - TB - has been a caster of) uses BO5 but doesn't increase the finals to BO7. (I'd like to see RO4 onward be BO7.)

Would definitely be cool to see more Korean (player) / Kespa focused tournaments!

GL!
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 19:57:07
June 11 2014 19:55 GMT
#62
My hats off to you TB, you are the man.

By the way TB, is there any chance to get responses from KT and CJ about what they think? Managers/coaches and the players themselves or no way?
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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
June 11 2014 19:57 GMT
#63
Loved it! More shouting, more hype, even if it means jumbling words or having to be corrected by your co-caster. Beats the ever living piss out of "pro" casters who will say, "welp, looks like he lost 10 workers there, not much can be done, let's talk about something else entirely."

I frankly find it amazing that you have such passion for Starcraft. Please don't stop with the events!
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dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
June 11 2014 20:32 GMT
#64
[B]After watching HSCs miserable finals and feeling terrible for TaKe that the end of that tournament ended up being such a letdown after a great event, I think it's safe to say that aiming for the highest caliber player is the way to go.

We've had bad Code S finals even when they were the pinnacle of SC2. Right now in the NHL the LA Kings are stomping the Rangers about as bad as TaeJa stomped MC. Bad series can happen regardless of the talent level. I suggest you give TaeJa and MC a chance to prove themselves in the next SHOUTcraft.


I'm even considering ditching the dual-tournament group format and going back to the old BO5 single elimination

If you use a single elimination bracket I recommend a spot or two determined by group play. For example, with 10 players you can have 6 in the bracket and 4 in a group to determine who plays the #1 and #2 seeds. You get storylines you can control and hype with the predetermined matchups plus the suspense from organic storylines of the group winners earning their way into the bracket but then going up against the top seeds.
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
June 11 2014 20:34 GMT
#65
Wonderful event! Enjoyed it! Keep em coming!
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17141 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 20:47:08
June 11 2014 20:35 GMT
#66
great job with Shoutcraft, as usual.

i do not think you are correct on all issues, however, i hope Blizzard listens carefully to what you have to say.

On June 12 2014 05:32 dvorakftw wrote: Right now in the NHL the LA Kings are stomping the Rangers about as bad as TaeJa stomped MC. Bad series can happen regardless of the talent level. I suggest you give TaeJa and MC a chance to prove themselves in the next SHOUTcraft.


put more concisely, "styles make fights"

this is a really bad example man, LA squeaked out 2 overtime wins....NHL has sudden death overtime, anything can happen. it is not a stomp by any stretch.

your over all point is correct; you picked a bad example
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broodbucket
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia963 Posts
June 11 2014 20:51 GMT
#67
I thought it was insane timing given it clashed pretty directly with The Summit, which was a huge event. Makes sense given the sponsor. Glad it went well, though, great games from the bits and pieces I caught.
DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
June 11 2014 21:07 GMT
#68
This advertizing malarkey works - I was just shrinking my laptop's Windows partition ready to move it to a ~240GB SSD when I return to the UK (in Ireland). Whilst running the backup I read this article. I was planning to get a Corsair or Crucial but I read the reviews on the Sandisk Extreme II and they look good, so I will get one of them. Shame the Pro isn't out for a month or two on Amazon - it has a ten year warranty!
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 11 2014 21:11 GMT
#69
On June 12 2014 05:51 broodbucket wrote:
I thought it was insane timing given it clashed pretty directly with The Summit, which was a huge event. Makes sense given the sponsor. Glad it went well, though, great games from the bits and pieces I caught.


Not as much overlap with something like The Summit I think. Maybe if it overlapped with The International which has wider appeal.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
June 11 2014 21:17 GMT
#70
On June 12 2014 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
this is a really bad example man, LA squeaked out 2 overtime wins....NHL has sudden death overtime, anything can happen. it is not a stomp by any stretch.

your over all point is correct; you picked a bad example


The Kings outplayed the Rangers at least two out of three of the periods plus overtime in every game so far. I will only agree that I picked a bad example in that it is easy to equate an overtime game with a very long StarCraft match when actually dominance in hockey does not always translate into goals the way dominance in SC2 leads to quick victories. If they used boxing and UFC's system of judges instead of overtime the Kings would be getting unanimous decisions with double digit margins.
nerpderp
Profile Joined February 2013
United States780 Posts
June 11 2014 21:25 GMT
#71
Thanks for a great event, TB!

In defense of the NA scene, I'd like to point out one thing -- SCA Winter had two forfeits, Major and DeMuslim. Major is Major, and DeMuslim has since returned to the European scene. They're not representative of the rest of the NA scene. In fact, the Shoutcraft that you did last summer included only NA players and, IIRC, there were no forfeits, despite the tournament dragging on for hours because of DDOS.

If you don't want to do SCA anymore because there are no sponsors or there's not enough interest, or you simply tire of the NA scene, then that's fine. But I don't think there is enough evidence to show that a future SCA would be rife with forfeits.
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cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
June 11 2014 21:31 GMT
#72
Nice, glad to hear everything went well. I didnt get to see much because I'm in EU and I didnt have much time. Really liked that there was a rebroadcast, although it was mostly too early for me
Love the ambition around PL and Korean audience etc. Big task you're looking at there.
Hope to see more. Good luck^^
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 11 2014 21:33 GMT
#73
Awesome event TB and thanks for the recap, i hope to see more in the future!
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e1k3
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2 Posts
June 11 2014 21:37 GMT
#74
happy to hear that went as well as it did.
i really enjoyed the awesome games, casting was great as well! one small point of criticism though: i had to adjust the volume all the time, since i found your normal casting volume too low yet your "hyping" volume was so loud it hurted. would be nice if that could be somewhat streamlined apart from that, great work and thanks for the fun time!
best wishes,
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
June 11 2014 21:41 GMT
#75
Well i am really busy and watched a lot of sc2 over the weekend with hcs, even though i had to work. But reading the writeup convinced me to go back and watch the sandisk-shoutcraft games. Reading something like this writeup is a very nice thing we in esports crave so much, transperency.
Also just as a sidenote, i too have had good expiriences with sandisk products.

Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
June 11 2014 21:41 GMT
#76
Excellent write up, and great tournament. Congratz!
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stevorino
Profile Joined April 2011
957 Posts
June 11 2014 21:47 GMT
#77
interesting read as always, thanks TB
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 22:27:56
June 11 2014 22:26 GMT
#78
On June 12 2014 00:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Initial indications from the sponsor are that they are very happy with the results of the event and I hope their first foray into eSports has convinced them that this is a good place to spend their ad money.


That SanDisk are satisfied on their RoI makes me happy and I hope it encourages them to continue to invest in esports.

I loved this tournament, probably my favourite online invitational ever. My body clock is still completely fucked and running in American time though because I didn't miss a single minute. This is perhaps a good thing that I haven't recovered yet though as it means that it is easier for me to stay up for the E3 coverage.

I thought the quality of the casting by TotalBiscuit and Artosis was fantastic. I think TotalBiscuit and Artosis is great combination.

Yeah, I loved this tournament. I was so excited for it beforehand so it's great that it hasn't been a let-down one bit. The quality of the games helped massively - and as TB says this is because he invited the best of the best. Although I loved it all, I have to say day three was my favourite - Bbyong vs Flash and herO v Zest were two of the best series this year.

For the next tournament, I hope that Jin Air and SKT1 are able to take part if it happens after Proleague ends.
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joseramirez
Profile Joined June 2010
Mexico18 Posts
June 11 2014 22:30 GMT
#79
First of all, thank you TB for the event, it was great, specially considering the timing in your life, so mad props for your commitment and effort.

Now, i want to ask, are qualifiers out of the question and are you positive that invitationals are the way to go in the future?, is there room to have a 50/50 split in this regard or the added "costs" to run a qualifier make it not an option?

Btw, are the replays gonna be released [if they haven´t yet]?

Anyway, was a great event.

Saludos y mis mejores deseos.

JRE.
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xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
June 11 2014 22:40 GMT
#80
could be ogn the way to go in the Korean scene?

they make reruns of games pretty often, and maybe is not that hard that ogn restream some of those games, from replays.
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