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[LoL] trends of top 10 challengers champion pool

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NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-06 00:42:53
April 05 2014 23:38 GMT
#1
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TzaTzers
Profile Joined April 2009
United States589 Posts
April 06 2014 01:35 GMT
#2
Nice post, I'm not sure if you can post it under the actual LoL subforum but if you can it can generate more discussion I'm sure. The post is nice, it gives a good insight and comparison between the regions (KR, NA, EU) and some of the analysis of trends is pretty interesting but the ones about the actual champion picks and percentages is stuff that is kind of known already at the moment but also nice to see on paper. Keep it up.
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
April 06 2014 02:37 GMT
#3
if you want to have it moved let me know!
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 06 2014 03:13 GMT
#4
Jumper, don't tell me you're playing this stupid game.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 06 2014 04:31 GMT
#5
On April 06 2014 08:38 Jumperer wrote:


The win rate for all 30 challengers range from 55% to 68%. Surprisingly, the similar win% can be find in top players for BW/SC2. We can use that win rate percentage to measure our own progress and ability. If you played 250 games of league and your win rate is 50% and you are struck in gold 3 you're not substantially better than gold 3. All other statements questionable.



Fixed that for you.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
April 06 2014 06:34 GMT
#6
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
April 06 2014 09:49 GMT
#7
Thanks for that post, I'm not sure if Challenger-level stats translates well to lower leagues, but certainly few things worth keeping in mind.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 06 2014 10:58 GMT
#8
On April 06 2014 13:31 Jerubaal wrote:
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On April 06 2014 08:38 Jumperer wrote:


The win rate for all 30 challengers range from 55% to 68%. Surprisingly, the similar win% can be find in top players for BW/SC2. We can use that win rate percentage to measure our own progress and ability. If you played 250 games of league and your win rate is 50% and you are struck in gold 3 you're not substantially better than gold 3. All other statements questionable.



Fixed that for you.


yeah, have to take into account all those gold 1 "true skill level" stars stuck in elo hell in gold 3 because their jungler sucks
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
April 06 2014 21:03 GMT
#9
This is interesting, thanks for the stats!
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
April 07 2014 11:03 GMT
#10
Man, still curious how Apdo would do if he wasn't banned from pro gaming. Having two accounts in the KR top 10 is quite something.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 07 2014 16:06 GMT
#11
by gapcloser you mean escape. Koreans didn't play draven either and he's still a fine pick.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 16:28:59
April 07 2014 16:21 GMT
#12
On April 08 2014 01:06 zulu_nation8 wrote:
by gapcloser you mean escape. Koreans didn't play draven either and he's still a fine pick.


They play Draven now and then in pro games. Over the course of this season we've seen a handful of Draven picks + bans.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 07 2014 16:47 GMT
#13
they've come around to it yea but when all the NA high elo adcs were draven mains, no one in korea played him.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
April 07 2014 16:59 GMT
#14
On April 06 2014 12:13 ninazerg wrote:
Jumper, don't tell me you're playing this stupid game.


Hahahahahahahaha
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
April 07 2014 17:52 GMT
#15
On April 08 2014 01:21 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 01:06 zulu_nation8 wrote:
by gapcloser you mean escape. Koreans didn't play draven either and he's still a fine pick.


They play Draven now and then in pro games. Over the course of this season we've seen a handful of Draven picks + bans.


I feel like if you're a Korean pro gamer you only get to play him once in your career and then he either gets permabanned or your team will never allow you to touch him again.
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