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Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
March 10 2014 06:25 GMT
#1
Any Archers on TL? Maybe any Linux users can relate. I wrote a piece on the installation process (though not much a tutorial) and general recommendations on using Arch.

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You can't see any of my links in the post, but I hope the context still makes sense.
I recently helped a friend of mine install Arch Linux and it’s motivated me to write about Arch. This is not a tutorial or promotional blog for Arch. These are my ramblings on Arch, my experiences with Arch and my recommendations for using Arch.

Brief Personal History

I found Arch Linux sometime early in 2009 when I grew bored of how Windows XP looked and wanted an easier way to make my system look more ‘l33t.’ Windows Vista was not encouraging and Windows 7 was not yet released. I practiced installing inside a Virtualbox machine and eventually, managed to setup successful installation. Unfortunately, I didn’t have the courage to install on bare metal thinking I might cause hardware damage if I do something wrong. With the Windows 7 release around the corner, my interest in Linux dropped until 2011 where I had that itch to try something new again. I’ve been an active user since.

Installing Arch Linux

The biggest hurdle to almost everyone who wants to try Arch Linux for the first time is the installation. In mid 2012, they announced that they removed their installer, named AIF (Arch Installation Framework), and in its place, several small scripts are provided for convenience. At their defence, The original installer software didn’t provide much functionality except to show a very minimal GUI with a list of steps to finish the installation. For those more experienced, this change allows faster installs, and those new are at the mercy of the wiki. They also adopted a monthly release cycle for their install medias. Because Arch is a rolling release, it makes no sense for the liveCD’s to have tools that are heavily outdated.

The current Arch Linux installation really only has 3 major steps:

Setup your disk and partitions
Install base packages
Setup the bootloader

I don’t plan on writing up an installation guide (the Arch Wiki pages on installation are fairly extensive, although be wary of the beginner’s guide – I’ve seen some questionable recommendations), but I have a few remarks on some potential quirks that some people may run into.

UEFI: It is the new cool thing that replaces BIOS and is now shipped with all modern computers. It requires different steps than the traditional installs with BIOS. To check whether your machine uses UEFI or BIOS, go into your BIOS settings on boot and it should be indicated somewhere under Boot Options. If you have a pretty GUI, its UEFI. Usually computers that support UEFI also supports legacy boot so for some, they have the option to stick with the old. The noticeable difference during setup is that UEFI requires a specific boot partition. If you plan on dual booting, different system’s have different levels of support:

Windows 7/8 32-bit: UEFI is actually not supported.
Windows 7/8 64-bit: In order to use UEFI, your disk must use GPT which is a successor to the MBR
OS X: It already uses UEFI* and GPT. It doesn’t support MBR at all.
Linux: Any combination of MBR/GPT and BIOS/UEFI is supported.
If you do plan on dual booting, try to install Linux second. OS X and Windows are pretty strict about their paritions and will auto-create the EFI parition. Then you can either choose to share the EFI parition or create a separate one for each system. I personally like to share the parition, but to each to their own. I also recommend gummiboot. It’s a very simple-to-setup UEFI boot manager.

* Apple uses their own EFI implementation which may or may not be compliant with the UEFI standards[1].

Network Access: Without any network access, you cannot install Arch Linux. Why? There are no packages on the media for you to install. Going back to the install media, it doesn’t make much sense to ‘store’ packages in a rolling release distro. You’ll have an update to just about every package you have installed. Every once in a while, updates require manual intervention. These updates tend to break systems who’s system is very out-of-date. Check out the infamous filesystem update. This makes it very difficult to install on systems that can’t connect out-of-the-box (i.e Macbooks whose wifi drivers do not have official support). Easiest way to setup on those systems would be to find a prebuilt package (or build it yourself in another Arch system) to install the wifi drivers through a flash drive. Some people have had success tethering their phones as well.

Dedicated Graphics Cards: These bad boys don’t get much love from anybody. The open source drivers perform underwhelmingly because neither AMD nor Nvidia provide sufficient support. The open source drivers exist solely because open source community was able to reverse engineer the GPU’s. There are binary blobs available for both AMD and Nvidia, but their support is about a generation behind, their performance is inferior to Windows[2] and it can be a pain to setup properly. Valve appears to be working with Nvidia and Intel to ready their release of SteamOS and Steam boxes so expect better support/performance (hopefully). I recommend skipping the dedicated cards, especially on laptops. The open source graphics drivers for Intel perform extremely well but the switchable graphics systems blow on Linux. If you must have the power, Nvidia is the only officially supported platform on Arch. Official AMD(ATI) support was dropped several years ago.

Once the installation is complete, you have the bare Linux setup and it’s up to the user to configure their settings to their desire. I believe this is one of the biggest reasons why Arch has been consistently in the top 10 most used Linux distributions[3]. The only software that is required by Arch is the Arch package manager, pacman. Some could argue that systemd has been forced upon users, but it has heavy support from Red Hat. Also, Debian (and Ubuntu) have announced that they are transitioning to systemd so yay systemd! For the anti-fans, there are so many alternatives gaining support from the Arch community.

In the end, the installation process is just a bunch of commands you run. I’ve been writing a bare minimum installer for my personal use. It’s meant to setup my current system from scratch.

Using Arch Linux

These are a few tips on maintaining a healthy Arch installation.

Avoid Yaourt: Do everyone a favor and choose a different AUR helper. Usually what happens is the new Arch users follow tutorials which tell them to install yaourt to install packages from the AUR. They blindly use this tool which completely removes the need to understand how the Arch packaging system works. Then they ask for help and then get derailed for not RTFM. I suggest cower. There are many wrappers also for cower available for those who want more automation.

Keep Your System Up-to-date: Try to update your system at least once a week. I update my system daily and it has caused me no problems. The Arch developers work on up-to-date systems and make sure that their packages work with other up-to-date packages. It’s probably ideal to follow the developers.

Never pacman -Sy (package): This cherry-picks an up-to-date package with your out-of-date system. It’s an incredibly easy way to break your install.

Never Auto-Update Packages: This is another taboo in Arch. Some packages have useful outputs when they update and they require some user intervention. You also want to know what you’re updating. If something randomly breaks, you’ll have a much harder time finding the cause. Don’t have a background job running pacman -Syu all the time. If you want to know if you have any out-of-date packages, pacman comes with a simple script called checkupdates which safely checks for out-of-date packages.

Arch Tools: A tool I use often is pkgfile. It’s an incredibly useful tool that lets you know which package offers which file. Say a package was missing a dependency and it had some error stating a library was missing. Running pkgfile on that library will tell you what package to download only if it is in one of your pacman servers you have listed in /etc/pacman.conf. Arch also has ABS which is very similar to FreeBSD Ports. It’s useful if you need to build an official package with different flags. For example, I rebuild vim updates because the python interpreter for Vim is disabled on the official package and it’s required by the YouCompleteMe Vim plugin.

Reading PKGBUILDS: When installing a new package from the AUR, it is good practice to look at the PKGBUILD’s before you install the package. Anyone can upload anything in the AUR. It’s your responsibility to check the integrity of the package.

Have a LiveCD available: This is common practice for any Linux distribution, but it’s vital you have one for Arch. You may have an update that somehow broke your system and you can’t boot anymore. You can’t fix that without a LiveCD available.

The Kernel Issues: Arch uses the newest stable release of Linux which may have some regressions. I had a pretty severe power regression a while back on my laptop which took several kernel iterations until it was finally fixed. Sometimes it may be more convenient to tell pacman to ignore the kernel updates if some problems arise in the newer ones.

Window Managers: This is personal opinion, but I believe it is easier to maintain your system without a desktop environment (Gnome, KDE). Because DE’s are essentially software suites, there are many points of failure. When something doesn’t work the way you think it should, it’s more difficult to decided where to first look. Standalone window managers on the other hand do exactly as they’re labeled; they manage windows. Everything else is configured by the user, which also fits into the DIY mentally like the rest of Arch.


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Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
March 10 2014 12:15 GMT
#2
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FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4981 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 12:28:02
March 10 2014 12:27 GMT
#3
The main point of ArchLinux is for me, that i can actually install exactly the OS i want, without any aditional software, and actually i'm writing this answer from my Laptop running ArchLinux.
I found it to be very helpful to at least install ArchLinux one time, because it teaches you a lot about Linux.
Other than you, i prefer a full featured desktop environment and use Gnome 3.10 (after several version, i think one can use it now), but this is more a personal preference, as you wrote.
Your comment of always having a live CD implies you once had the problem of not having one? I can totall relate to that ^^

Anyways, nice to see that there are actually other people using Linux-Distros for their daily work =)
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Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
March 10 2014 13:13 GMT
#4
I am a fellow Archer as well
Running dwm + dmenu instead of a desktop environment and quite happy with it.
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Jukado
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
805 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 22:30:35
March 10 2014 13:48 GMT
#5
Yesterday I finished installing Linux for the first time. I am very excited!
I chose to install Debian, not archlinux.
If you have an old computer lying around, I really encourage giving it a go.
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moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1546 Posts
March 10 2014 15:13 GMT
#6
I tried Arch once and in principle I would like to use it but for now found it a bit too advanced for me. Also (and this is a dumb reason) I'm so used to apt-get from having started with Ubuntu and Mint and then switching to Debian that changing to pacman was a little awkward as packages were a little different.

Installing Debian base also allows you complete freedom of which software you want, I couldn't get Arch to run as smoothly as Debian. Though I do like the stability of Debian, lately I've been wanting a bit more bleeding edge software for some packages I use so am planning trying Arch again in the future. Deciding on a distribution is always such a pain!
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nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 10 2014 20:50 GMT
#7
after floundering around with more popular distros (ubuntu / fedora) i tried out arch linux... it was love at first sight. can tailor it to my liking, so subservient, so slim. mmmm, control, oversight.

initially i was running pekwm and had a lot of chains set up for fast execution of the progs i needed, but switched to i3 + dmenu after sluggaslammoo alleged that a tiled windows manager increased your productivity. really happy with the switch. have always used slim display manager.

their wiki page is amazingly helpful. also i have been using amd's third party driver for most of the time because i was doing some work in opencl, but recently they haven't been keeping up to date, so switched back to std. got other stuff to focus on anyways.
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EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
March 10 2014 22:02 GMT
#8
It's nice to see we have some Archers on TL!

Now the question is do you game on Linux? I used to mess with wine, but I still dual boot cause I like the better performance D: I also don't like littering my system with a bunch of 32bit libraries for gaming too...
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4981 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-10 23:56:45
March 10 2014 22:19 GMT
#9
I have multiple installations, one for gaming, one for working, one for testing stuff. Since many Steam Games run natively on Linux, and many other games run in wine, or crossover, which is a specialized version of wine for gaming, i don't have to use Windows for that, and can do that on Linux. The multiple installations thing is also good, if you mess one installation up, because you always have a backup system.
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Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
March 11 2014 01:15 GMT
#10
I love Arch linux, switched from Ubuntu and never looked back. But just recently I did manage to fuck it up. I didn't upgrade for some 8 months and the upgrade totally broke it (the huge upgrade that merged all the different /bin folders happened in the meantime). I searched around the forums and found various explanations on how to fix it, but I didn't manage it.

I guess I'll do the unmanly thing and install a fresh system. So I really wish I read the part about upgrading once a week you wrote about, before I caused this mess, but when I first installed it I never heard of such advice.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 11 2014 01:21 GMT
#11
nothing like a fresh install of arch linux.
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Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
March 11 2014 01:23 GMT
#12
Haha, yes, I have a ton of ideas how to set it up, including finally trying to commit to a tile window manager (probably Xmonad).
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 11 2014 01:37 GMT
#13
that's the one sluggaslam uses. personally i use i3 and it's great. i'm sure i'd say any of them was great though if i had chosen them.
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FunkyLich
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States107 Posts
March 11 2014 15:47 GMT
#14
I used ubuntu for about a year, until I switched to arch. Since then, I've installed arch on basically every compatible machine I've since owned. It is awesome, to say at the least. The installation process is rather involved, but it serves as a good weeder for the not-so-savvy users who expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. As cruel and elitist as that's sounds, there is a great deal of truth to it. Yet in spite of all that, Arch Linux is the best documented distribution of linux (and dare I say operating system) I've ever had the pleasure of using. If you want to learn about Linux, or just generally how things work, the Arch way is the way of learning. You will inevitably become a better computer scientist/technician/programmer by exposing yourself to Arch. And if you have the mindset where you prefer to understand than simply to fix, you should expect to go a very long way.

This goes hand in hand with the thing about weeding, but the community is really awesome. There is literally a package on AUR (Arch User Repository) for everything. Forum users are generally competent and helpful, they don't give you shitty answers like the ones you often find on ubuntu forums, where the person giving the answer does not even know what their command does and justify it by saying "Well it worked for me!". Sometimes, when I see this I just wanna go on a trolling spree, answering questions with fork bombs. No one would know the difference. I'm being negative, but that about sums up my experience with ubuntu answers and continues to be, as despite being an Archer, my google searches are often generic enough to see these pop up.

Anyways, yeah, the community is great. This is a double edged sword obviously, because if every one else has to be good, you're not allowed to be shitty. There are actually standards (like RTFM). So it may require some getting used to. But over all it's extremely rewarding. For being a bleeding edge, rolling release distro it is actually incredibly stable I find. And whenever there is breakage, it is usually possible to fix by rolling back to an older package version. That is just more reason to update frequently and MANUALLY (like the OP says). Unlike release driven distros, Arch Linux is on a rolling release model, and you are encouraged to update manually, because you see what is changing with your eyes. That is CRUCIAL. If you are interested in that package, it could insight you to view change logs, and find new features for packages as soon as they are available that you otherwise maybe would never know existed. The other benefit, is that when there is breakage you can view the log to see what changed, and often you can fix the problem by rolling back to an older package temporarily. This is an advantage of updating often, because you have many versions of a package to potentially roll back to. I have found that I have been able to fix 95% of problems with a package rollback. But I haven't had a lot of practice with this, as I don't have problems very often to begin with . On Arch, I often find that when something is wrong it is usually me doing something stupid, not the distro doing dumb shit behind my back (*cough* ubuntu *cough*). So you control your destiny basically.

I dealt with big release updates on ubuntu, and it was frightening seeing how colossally it demolished my system (Specifically, I'm thinking of 10.10 -> 11.04 with that new shit gnome interface). Drivers stopped working. I couldn't find jack shit. It broke things so bad I didn't know what to do with myself. Not to mention my dad uses Ubuntu now, and he likes to be on the latest release. I have to tell him to stay put because that is actually what people do. I remember when I was running ubuntu, seeing people who were still on 7.x cause they knew better than to update.

My recommendation for people who are new to linux, is to start out with an easy OS, like Mint. And then after a year or so of getting used to command line and shell scripting, switch to Arch. It is the ideal no nonsense linux distro. But I have to admit, if I wasn't a programmer, or I didn't like UNIX, I wouldn't want to touch this thing with a ten foot pole LOL
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4981 Posts
March 11 2014 16:26 GMT
#15
Some days ago, there was an issue with the networkdriver. That was to date the only problem i ever had with Arch.
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Cyx.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada806 Posts
March 17 2014 21:10 GMT
#16
Just wanted to say I installed Arch a couple days ago largely on the basis of this blog post (was my first Linux install besides Debian on a VM =D ) and I really love it, it does exactly what I want it to and no more. I have it dual booting with Windows now but I can run Dota on it no problems so I probably won't be using my Windows much any more ^^
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