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On November 09 2013 19:21 unkkz wrote:
Well Norway got a new awesome prime minister and ruling partys that made taxcuts for the rich while fucking students and the elderly over. Oh and they decreased the taxation for buying luxury cars but increased it for normal cars and hybrids. Then they removed government support for schools and kindergardens to buy fruit to the children, made a law that doctors can refuse to perform abortions if they don't "believe" in abortion. Pretty much what everyone with half a brain knew in the election, the rich get richer with the right partys but no, people believed their bullshit about "being the new workers party" and the first things they do while in office pretty much 100% is for the rich only.
Me and the fiance make slightly above the limit for tax cuts so we get like 300 euros more a year yay! Totally worth not having children getting fruit in school and letting students study fulltime and work fulltime to stay afloat!
That said, Norway is still probably close to as good as it gets. I think the swedish tax level might be better, but then again, think about the employment in Norway which is in a far better state in Norway than Sweden. Social support during education is also far higher than in Sweden, which blew my mind when I heard it.
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So sweden sounds great but hard to get a job.
On November 09 2013 09:48 babylon wrote:
Haha, this thread has turned into: "Let me tell you how much my country sucks too!"
I'll still throw in a vote for Germany though. And I've got a soft spot for the Netherlands, despite not knowing much about it.
How are Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales doing these days anyways?
All the Irish are coming here lol. Like, all of them
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On November 08 2013 22:54 KeksX wrote:Can confirm. Germany is pretty good.
Why not another country that is like Germany but in richer? Like Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark? I am pretty sure life in every single one of those countries is better on average.
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On November 09 2013 20:04 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 19:21 unkkz wrote:
Well Norway got a new awesome prime minister and ruling partys that made taxcuts for the rich while fucking students and the elderly over. Oh and they decreased the taxation for buying luxury cars but increased it for normal cars and hybrids. Then they removed government support for schools and kindergardens to buy fruit to the children, made a law that doctors can refuse to perform abortions if they don't "believe" in abortion. Pretty much what everyone with half a brain knew in the election, the rich get richer with the right partys but no, people believed their bullshit about "being the new workers party" and the first things they do while in office pretty much 100% is for the rich only.
Me and the fiance make slightly above the limit for tax cuts so we get like 300 euros more a year yay! Totally worth not having children getting fruit in school and letting students study fulltime and work fulltime to stay afloat! That said, Norway is still probably close to as good as it gets. I think the swedish tax level might be better, but then again, think about the employment in Norway which is in a far better state in Norway than Sweden. Social support during education is also far higher than in Sweden, which blew my mind when I heard it.
Yeah i know i'm actually Swedish But it's funny how the same thing happened in Sweden just 8 years earlier with the right being voted in.
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As much as I despise some things going on here, I can't deny that the Netherlands is comparatively such a good country to live in. We're incredibly liberal and socialistic to some degree (although we have some parties trying to stirr that up ^^) if you're looking for some medication, it's practically legal. You'd have to get used to the small space though. I've been to the states a couple of times and the space difference between here and there is massive. We've just got way less ground here, and I'd imagine it's an even bigger difference in Australia. As most European countries we're getting away from religion slowly but surely, and that is a goooood thing in my opinion. I think, as a rolemodel for European countries you should look at the Netherlands or the countries surrounding it.
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On November 09 2013 22:00 Dyme wrote:Why not another country that is like Germany but in richer? Like Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark? I am pretty sure life in every single one of those countries is better on average.
Yes more info on these places please! Got the message that Germany is pretty cool
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Dutch here. Got tons of friends on welfare because they just can't find jobs. Meanwhile the government doesn't accomplish anything because every initiatve is smothered in rules and endless debate. The one thing they do manage however is slowly nibble away at the privacy of the citizen. All in the name of "safety" and "convenience".
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Canada is a pretty great place to live just because of the people. Our government on the other hand is nothing short of a fucking disaster. Following politics here in BC is a guaranteed way to shave years off of your life. Replacing our dumbass prime minister isnt even an option really, since the alternatives aren't any better. At all. Then we have our unending 'native' problem. Not going to get started on the media either. Bleh.
At least we have hockey.
Basically, every country has it's own list of internal problems and you probably shouldn't go looking for some perfect country to live in. You'll never find it. Moving across the world to experience a new culture and whatnot is different though.
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Not much.
Religion is nonexistent, but that doesn't help much. Lot of corruption.
Will probably try to get somewhere northward later on.
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Bit extreme to say you want to move countries because Abbott got into power. Even if he was half as bad as you made him out to be I don't see him being around for more than 8 years. Not worth ditching Australia for imo.
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On November 08 2013 21:54 Technique wrote:
Australia sounds like a awesome country to me, especially the nature.
Haha...isn't this supposed to be a natural wonder of the world?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151861181177604&set=a.10151102522942604.488205.575442603
.... And so it has begun. After only 24 hours as prime minister, Tony Abbott has put the Marine Park Suspension into play, with dredging construction already underway to create Australia's newest shipping highway, Abbott point, better known as the Great Barrier Reef. Completely disregarding the World Heritage Classification or UNESCO protection, Rinehart is removing 3 MILLION cubic meters of the worlds most diverse largest living organism and ecosystem only to build the largest coal export terminal. We are going to lose one of the worlds most truly precious gems to a temporary and damaging "solution". The Great Barrier Reef will no longer exist because of Abbotts desire for CSG export income. So please reblog and share this to show your support for saving natures gift to the world. Wake UP Australia, and spread the word.
^Yes, I'm aware that's not a news source or anything, although that said, 70% of the print media sold here is owned by one biased Murdoch...
On November 10 2013 22:22 Clarty wrote:
Bit extreme to say you want to move countries because Abbott got into power. Even if he was half as bad as you made him out to be I don't see him being around for more than 8 years. Not worth ditching Australia for imo.
8 isn't enough to move even temporarily for?? I mean, if he could have a stronger effect than you believe, then one term of under 4 years, sure, but if you thought he were guaranteed to get 8, that's a lot of life to dedicate to a country you might feel unhappy in. I'm not suggesting jumping ship now is a good idea, but if he is good at looking after himself, knows how to cook plenty, has decent qualifications for job prospects in numerous countries, it's not worth just waiting around 8 years just because then Abbott would be gone. ;P
I mention the food part because, getting onto a vaguely related story...
I'd like to know South Koreans down here, but to my dismay, there are only a small number where I am and one, who was a friend of a friend, went back to South Korea having had a terrible time here due to:
- She and her friend who I think came with her didn't have great cooking skills, so the higher mark-up of pre-prepared food sold by fast food places, restaurants, cafés etc. is much higher here than in SK and it makes basic living much harder, so relying on food made for you is a gamble some people fail to consider it seems.
Other reasons:
+ Show Spoiler +- Not such great job prospects here, before even considering that they're not Australian and didn't speak particularly confidently
- I don't know whether they were burning savings from SK or were on some sort of welfare, but as a University student, likely the latter in some form?
- "Nothing to do here" (especially with no money...)
- I'm pretty sure they weren't meeting many people and as a (female) foreigner that doesn't speak English especially well here you can get a mixture of racism, the wrong sort of attention and just general indifference, so it's not so easy to mingle as a jobless female foreigner without especially confident English skills
What's more, Koreans are typically used to socialising over drinks, yes? If you're unemployed...good luck getting the drinks? :\
On November 08 2013 21:51 ETisME wrote:
debt going double doesn't mean it is a bad thing. Debt can be a good sign as well, more investment projects to help stimulate the economy for example.
I haven't really looked into Aus economy since I graduated from Melbourne a while ago but it really depends on the debt structure.
Tax cut is also arguable. A high tax rate would push away the rich and off they go to other countries, as well as the cost of maintaining the tax, finding and fixing tax loop holes etc.
Great point about tax cuts that's easy to forget. I would say the last government was doing more for increasing debt through actual investments for the country though.
The treasurer, Joe Hockey, has talked about how European Austerity measures are the right approach.
Despite preaching this, the new government just loves throwing away money on policies that don't even really fit with the supposed "pro-business" mentality. They're implementing a policy to allow maternity leave to be paid NOT at a base rate as it was, but a rate related to their normal income, thus allowing well-off mothers-to-be to basically get high income welfare for extended periods while mothers on lower jobs get paid much less.
The supposed idea, of course, is to encourage more well-supported families, but it's not as if the wealthier ones don't already have the money to start families without any form of government support. >:|
On denial of rights, gay marriage is probably the primary (if there was one) topic DropBear was thinking of.
You know what? While I have my gripes, it's probably better if we can just encourage a lot more good, moral, intelligent and not-completely-useless people to come to Australia; help to provide a safe (enough) haven for people concerned about their countries and build up the anti-Abbott voting base! XD ㅋㅋ *Plotting*
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