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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
I went from 95 kilos (pants size 36/32) to 66 kilos (pants size 31/32) and then to 62 kilos (30/32) after changing the diet twice. So while I still sometimes have a bad conscience about eating birds and fish (having three vegetarian room-mates doesn't help), I feel really much more healthy. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
I don't think it has anything to do with meat, more so the correct balance in your diet. I feel the quoted sentence illustrates that. But regardless, good to hear this works for you  | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On September 20 2013 15:53 SC2John wrote: 1. The first thing to note is that your body feels AMAZING the week or two after you stop eating meat. It literally feels as if all the toxins in your body were flushed away and all of your limbs are lighter, stronger, and leaner. You just feel so much healthier. After a while, the effects wear off, but I think the reason is that you just become used to being healthy. And once you're healthy, it's impossible to do unhealthy things again; your body tells you, you can feel it. If you try to drink that large milkshake or eat those heavy fried foods, your body rejects the excess sugar, salt, and fat. You feel sick, you feel unhealthy. Oh right of course. Because the only two options in diet are vegetarian or a big fat MacDonalds meal. There's nothing wrong with eating fresh fruit and veg. I do it a lot. But with meat, that shit is off the hook. A little jerk spices, 3 tomatoes, 2 bell peppers and 500g of chicken is a meal fit for a king. | ||
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
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micronesia
United States24805 Posts
On September 20 2013 16:31 Staboteur wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2013 16:07 739 wrote: Vegetarian =/= Vegan Vegan can't eat fish. Also I can't imagine myself living without meat. Vegetarian : Doesn't eat any meat (including fish). Does eat animal products (eggs, dairy products) and plant products. Pescitarian : Doesn't eat meat (excepting fish). Does eat animal products (eggs, dairy products) and plant products. Vegan : Doesn't eat meat (including fish), does not eat any animal products, avoids using products that test on animals, avoids using/owning/purchasing non-edible animal products (leather, wool). The mantra of vegans is "No suffering" - meaning that anything that involves animal suffering is something that they'll explicitly avoid. While it's true that a Vegan wouldn't eat fish, it's also quite common for people to abstain from fish as well as other meats, but not go so far as to not wear wool shirts and give up on cheese or other animal products. As such, there are three choices, and technically the OP is a Pescitarian, but really that falls under the Vegetarian tree. Vegan, on the other hand, comes purely from an ethics standpoint and thereby isn't necessarily under the Vegetarian tree. A vegetarian / pescitarian can be such for health and/or ethical reasons, whereas a vegan will only be a vegan because they don't want animals to hurt. I think the other big reason for why people choose to be vegan (besides ethics regarding animals) is because they believe it is always healthier to eat plant-originating protein than animal-originating protein. That means that they won't eat dairy either since the protein originates from the cow that was milked, and is less healthy than the protein they could get from a vegan diet. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On September 21 2013 00:14 Logo wrote: For what it's worth you can just call yourself a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism rather than vegetarian that eats seafood though it's kind of a pretentious sounding when you do. To be fair, I rarely eat fish, so it's a little bit of a grey area. I didn't realize people would go so overboard on trying to correct me as to what type of vegetarian I was; I just figured less people would identify with "pescetarian" when I made the topic. I apologize if I've offended people by using the wrong term. I'm fairly new to this, okay? I think a lot of people are seeing this as a sudden life change that I made that seemed a little overboard. Perhaps I was a little shaky on the time lapse, but my journey to becoming a vegetarian has taken place over the course of a full year and has been steady and gradual. I didn't suddenly throw everything I ate out the window and go health crazy and eating only raw vegetables or something like that. I'm not one to go on fad diets and try to get skinny; my whole goal over the past year is to slowly ease into a healthier lifestyle. It's been slow progress, and each step has made me much more wholesome and content with my body. That being said, I don't "hate meat" or condemn my past. I just understand where I was versus where I am now and I know that I'm in a much better place now. I know there are some objections to vegetarianism and a lot of modern nutritionists will outright say that not eating meat is bad, but after experiencing these things, I just can't agree. I have no scientific proof or research to back up my opinion, but I'm convinced that eating little to no meat and primarily plant-based foods is good for you. You can still have a balanced diet and get all of the necessary nutrients needed for survival without any real side effects. It's not that meat is horrible or that it will kill you, I just think that there's an overemphasis of it in this country and it's really only supposed to make up a minority of your diet. Random sidenote: I haven't eaten McDonalds in years, I would probably outright throw up if I ate there today. Other random sidenote: If you want me to post some vegetarian recipes, I can most certainly do that | ||
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Atom Cannister
Germany380 Posts
On September 21 2013 00:50 SC2John wrote: Other random sidenote: If you want me to post some vegetarian recipes, I can most certainly do that Do it! | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On September 20 2013 23:51 micronesia wrote: I think the other big reason for why people choose to be vegan (besides ethics regarding animals) is because they believe it is always healthier to eat plant-originating protein than animal-originating protein. That means that they won't eat dairy either since the protein originates from the cow that was milked, and is less healthy than the protein they could get from a vegan diet. That is the rationale. The other rationale, though it tends to be a bit more over the top is the idea that such products are evil and vegans don't want to support companies that do things like that to animals. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
meat doesn't have "excess sugar, salt or fat". meat also has fuck-all calories, so is nothing to do with your weight gain/loss. what you are referring to (instead of meat) is "processed foods". milkshake, Chik-Fil-A (there is little "meat" in a Chik-Fil-A anyway) and soda. nothing to do with meat i recommend adding small portions of meat to your veggie diet and renaming your diet the "real food" diet, and telling people you no longer eat processed food. the protein and nutrients you gain from meat (since you are an omnivore) will be of great benefit, especially if you ever decide to add any form of exercise to your new lifestyle | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On September 20 2013 20:10 Paljas wrote: good blog hoenstly, the most convincing argument to become vegetarian is the moral aspect imo. As someone who's lived in the third world, I feel this is a very narrow view. Personally, I've cut back on meat because of the added hormones. I can't afford to eat organic but that's a goal. Overall I try to do what the OP suggests in terms of eating plant based meals with occasional meat instead of meat based meals with occasional plants. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On September 21 2013 02:00 y0su wrote: As someone who's lived in the third world, I feel this is a very narrow view. Personally, I've cut back on meat because of the added hormones. I can't afford to eat organic but that's a goal. Overall I try to do what the OP suggests in terms of eating plant based meals with occasional meat instead of meat based meals with occasional plants. Could you elaborate on that, as i neither see the connection, nor understand what you actually mean with "narrow view". | ||
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
It's admirable that you did change your previous eating habits, though, they sound dreadful. As for the moral aspect, I don't see it. We are born killers. The strongest survives. As long as we don't kill animals just for the sport of it, but to feed instead, I see it as perfectly fine. | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
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marony
Germany3 Posts
Can you post your sushi recipe, please? | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
From a moral standpoint, I believe in a more collective energy field that some people might call god. For me, I'm not sure what it is. In this case it's difficult for me to look at a dead animal. I believe that after I watched my cat get put down (instant death or paralysis) something changed in me. I was really close to her. I had been thinking about trying to go vegetarian for a while but this was the last straw for me. Hunting for food seems somewhat morally sound in the grand scheme of things, especially when you bring in the concept of a predator-prey population relationship, but ours is a special case because we really don't have predators eating us. However when I think of a dead animal it reminds me of my cat's dead eyes after receiving the lethal injection, and I just can't deal. Later on down the road, a friend of mine showed me the movie Earthlings (you can find it on youtube). It's a documentary about the processed meat industry, and the crazy things people do to animals. If you want to know where hell is, go to a slaughterhouse. Earthlings is really not for the faint of heart but I watched it anyway. Sometimes I regret seeing it but it makes me feel that the industry of meat production (as opposed to hunting an animal to provide food for the week) is not morally sound. Then I started hearing about all the crazy shit people are putting into the meats these days (e.g. Meat Glue) and I just said enough, I will not have crazy people polluting my body for their own financial gain. I will be mindful about what is going into my holy body, what it is telling me, and I will move towards becoming a healthier person with more energy for life. One thing I will say is, try to avoid tofu/soybeans so much. They have pseudo-estrogens in them, which is a female hormone, and it can be dangerous to eat too much whether you're male or female. That said, tofu is a great protein source for vegetarians, but I would say to try to eat something else more often as your primary protein source. What I don't get is why a lot of people tend to want to attack or give weird advice to vegs. At first, my family thought it was weird and gave me shit for it, tried to sneak a bit of meat into my rice dish (which I really got mad about but didn't say anything because it could have been a mistake all those times), etc, but they got over it. Then one of my obese cousins from up north came down for a visit. They were eating stuff like pure chicken, giant steaks, stuff with lots of cheese in a dish, etc and it just hurt to watch but I remained understanding of their choice. Anyway on one of the last days my cousin was here she gave me a quote. "Y'know what they say? Eat healthy, die anyway." I just smiled and agreed, but inside I thought "Eat unhealthy, feel like shit physically your whole life until you change it." If someone looks uncomfortable with eating meat in front of me I lay it out and tell them it's a personal choice and I am not offended by it, which I'm not. Then I'll say "in fact meat smells good to me sometimes, I just don't eat it anymore." Anyway good luck in keeping with what you believe. It's tough to stay veg when it's so easy to just buy a burger or even cook your own. I think you have the right approach by listening to your body. | ||
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
On September 21 2013 04:13 hp.Shell wrote: This is awesome. I'm glad to hear someone is getting healthy and bouncing back from obesity. I've never been overweight, so it's hard for me to fathom what an overweight person's mind is like. Is it harder to think? I would think it would be, just because of all the blood pumping to the other "excess" areas of the body. So sometimes I assume their minds have slowed due to this idea, and that makes it even harder to recover from because they just can't think or focus a whole lot anymore. What the fuck dude? Seriously what were you thinking when you wrote this? | ||
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Sycamore
204 Posts
On September 20 2013 17:55 Tobberoth wrote: I don't know, it sounds from your post like you ate really shitty stuff, then went overboard and went veggie instead in some form of idea that meat is the criminal in the drama. Meat is healthy, unless you ate really shitty meat for some reason. Not to say that you have to eat meat to eat healthy, but I'm surprised you'd go vegetarian for health reasons, it's far harder to eat healthy on a vegetarian diet. you are really misguided on pretty much everything you said | ||
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On September 20 2013 22:43 QuanticHawk wrote: vegetarian is a but overboard and def not necessary to become healthy, but good for you! Now share some recipes. There's a lot of good veggie indian food. ALL OF THESE THINGS. + Show Spoiler + wait, except the veggie is overboard bit. And double on the share recipes bit. Also @micronesia - I did not know that! I haven't met any vegans that are doing it purely from a health-conscious standpoint, only vehement animal rights activists that seem to project the attitude that they're willing to kill a human for hurting an animal... and of course sane normal vegans, but they aren't as fun to talk about. On the subject of vegetarianism being overboard... I'll betcha it functions the same for SC2John as it did for me : It forces you to look at the labels of the things you're buying and make conscious choices on what you're going to eat. It's less about "don't eat meat because it's bad for you!" but more about actively experimenting with your diet instead of eating stuff that says "food" somewhere on the label. | ||
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