|
Women in Competitive Gaming
Women in Competitive Gaming is a hot topic, wouldn't you agree? So hot I decided to make the title red. Women have been in competitive gaming for a long time now. Just recently, we've started to be more public about ourselves. Some players, like  Eve,MaddeLisk,Scarlett,Princess have started making appearances at competing, sometimes even on the main stage.
I've always been very passionate about this topic. I started an all-female Starcraft 2 organization quite a long time ago. It has seen became quite a success. I've seen some of the weirdest personalities come and go. From those looking for attention to those who couldn't care if they're recognized; They just enjoy the game.
Just as the spectrum of female players go to either extreme, so do the people who look at them. We've all heard the same things a dozen times fro your average trolls and white knights.
Get her off the stream! Attention whore! Tits or GTFO!
I love you 'gurl gamur 409! You're the best! You're a beacon of hope! We believe in you!
Yes yes. We all know what to expect when a female hops on a stream or is the streamer. So do they. We're used to it by now, for the most part. What a lot of people don't hear of however, is the women's side of things and that's what this blog post is going to be about.
I've conducted a survey of women who play Starcraft. 29 have responded. Below I've compiled all the answers and you as a community can dissect them as you see fit. I'm female so I won't interject my opinion. The only thing I'm going to filter out of the responses are any personal identifiable information of any kind! I've promised total anonymity to anyone taking the survey as to secure honest answers from all parties.
1. Do you identify as female?
2. What country do you live in?- USA - 19
- Germany, UK, Ireland, Australia, Iceland, & Canada - 1 each
3. What race do you play?- Zerg - 10 (34%)
- Protoss - 10 (34%)
- Terran - 7 (24%)
- Random - 1 (3%)
- Depends on my mood! - 1 (3%)
4. How did you get into Starcraft?- I played Brood War - 9 (31%)
- A male friend - 9 (31%)
- Significant Other - 4 (14%)
- Other, not listed - 4 (14%)
- A female friend - 1 (3%)
- Live Events - 1 (3%)
- Streamers - 1 (3%)
5. What League were you when you first started playing?
6. What league are you now? (NA/EU Servers)
7. Why do you have an interest in Starcraft 2?- Advancement as a Player 27 (23%)
- Competition 19 (16%)
- Socializing - 18 (15%)
- Friendship (is Magic) - 17 (15%)
- Teamwork (Practices/Teams/Customs) - 13 (13%)
- Escapism 8 (7%)
- Other - 5 (4%)
- Exploration - 4 (3%)
- Fame - 4 (3%)
- Roleplaying (Cortex/Mafia) 1 (1%)
- Irritating, Annoying, BM'ing, & Trolling Players - 1 (1%) (I'm not making this up, folks)
8. How often do you play Starcraft 2?- Daily - 10 (45%)
- A few times per week - 5 (23%)
- Once a week - 4 (18%)
- A few times per month - 2 (9%)
- Less frequently than once per month - 1 (5%)
9. How long have you been playing Starcraft 2?- Since Brood War - 4 (15%)
- Since WoL Release - 10 (38%)
- Sometime after WoL Release - 5 (19%)
- Since HotS Release - 0 (0%)
- Sometime after HotS Release - 1 (4%)
- I've never played Starcraft 2 - (0%)
- Other - 6 (23%)
What are your thoughts on low-league females who stream & have a lot of viewers or are on major teams? (All names have been removed out of respect)
Positive
- i want to do it too!! 8- )
- I did not know they existed! gieb url :3
- Good for them!
- I think people should stop freaking out about it. it's not a big deal.
- I think it's good they are trying to get better and hopefully the support from viewers can help them with that, unless their interest is just to get attention otherwise its a little questionable, overall its not really my problem unless they are directly insult me or females in the community as a whole
- Starcraft is about competition, yes, but it's also about community. Having women around on teams for community purposes is great. Having women on teams to compete, even better
- I think it is awesome
- it's great for them
- I think that if you can make money that way or have fun doing it then the best of luck to you and I support that.
- they are brave and should be given a chance ... and there are no low-league females on major teams, only masters. it is sad that the industry still favors the hegemonic beauties
- I started out as a bronze streamer. Although I didn't have thousands of viewers my goal was to get outside opinions on my game play to help me better my game play. with the help of my viewers I hit Platinum which was my goal at the time. I believe low league female streamers want to have critique on game play. (although some have other motives) streaming at any league is beneficial.
- If they're getting help it doesn't bother me if they're streaming. Good way to make friends, I suppose XD
Neutral- If you're legitimately improving and are working on yourself as a player while allowing people to watch you make progress, great! However, having a vagina should NOT automatically make you more desirable for a major team. I believe all people on teams should be able to show why theyre there.
- Not every low level female player with lots of viewers has lots of viewers because they want attention, but those that do are very off-putting and typically get a poor reputation from the community as a whole. It is rare to see a female in these cases streaming for longer than a month or so.
- I think it's hard to judge. It's not their fault people want to watch them. As for teams, I'm on the fence. You wouldn't call someone an attention whore for hanging out with their friends, would you? This is no different in some scenarios. On the other hand, if she joins a team for fame or to get benefits, fuck that bitch.
- Feels like sexism even when it's not. As a female caster I make it a point to not try and gain viewers based on the fact that I'm female. I'd rather have fans because I'm entertaining, not because I have boobs. When other women are recruited by teams as a publicity stunt or when they market themselves as a female caster for that added male attention it discredits us all.
- I have no problem with girls who stream and are low leagues I enjoy watching them stream as much as males who are doing the same thing. I don't enjoy low leagued girls on major teams. I personally only want to see the best when I am watching someone from a major team and I feel its gimicky to have a girl on there if shes not as good and is only there for guys to look at.
- League is not the only thing that makes a good streamer... That's their decision and it's good for marketing. some of them are ok but a lot of them are obviously showing way too much skin in order to get viewers I don't mind females who are low-league and stream. I think it's a good thing, overall. Their exposure shows other females it's ok to be involved and enjoy playing sc2. I don't agree with low-league females being placed on teams. It should be about skill, not gender..
Negative- They're used for PR and it's visibly transparent. Though they should not be referred to as professional gamers
- Um, I think they just do it for attention and fame. Maybe to snag a job in the gaming industry.
- Some are fine. I know that 'FEMALE PLAYER 1' has her boyfriend play for her though. She still plays... but he keeps her rank up higher than it should be. It's really sad because she's well respected in the community and everyone thinks she's really good. I wouldn't speak against her though.. Nobody would believe me. I don't really trust any female who says she's Top 25 Masters or higher unless someone has seen her play.
- Don't like. People like 'FEMALE PLAYER 2' only make me angry. Same goes for 'FEMALE PLAYER 3', even though she is not on a team, her attitude pisses me off to no end.
- they need to improve their skill...
- Most are attention whores & everyone knows it. You can reason it to say, "Oh this girl just wants criticism", but if you spend more time talking to the stream than you do playing, you're an attention whore, male or female.
- I find it stupid that certain low-league females recieve more opportunities and attention than a male of the same ranking would.
So there you have it! I'm going to hold my opinion back on these for another time, maybe. These are the stats I've gathered over the past week from all the females I know who play Starcraft 2. 100% Anonymous. 100% Unfiltered. I'm considering doing the same survey but instead have men answer so we can see any major differences, but I don't know. Do you think there would be interest? If you'd like to see it, tell me below.
If you liked the information I have provided consider following me on twitter, @MLG_Molly
 
|
I'd fuck the shit out of Princess
|
On June 09 2013 03:07 TheKefka wrote:
I'd fuck the shit out of Princess
Womanizing pig!
|
Interesting stuff, you forgot Barbie Prime and Aphrodite though. Scarlett notwithstanding I think that Aphrodite is the most accomplished female player current in SC2 if I've not forgotten anyone.
|
On June 09 2013 03:08 SnipedSoul wrote:Womanizing pig!
Happy B-Day bro
On June 09 2013 03:09 ThomasjServo wrote:
Interesting stuff, you forgot Barbie Prime and Aphrodite though. Scarlett notwithstanding I think that Aphrodite is the most accomplished female player current in SC2 if I've not forgotten anyone.
I wasn't trying to list every female who has a presence. Just naming a few as examples. The main goal of the post is to share the statistics I've gathered.
I'm going to gather statistics on male players & then make a 3rd post going over my personal views of why I think things are the way they are. I already have my theories, but I'm saving it 'till I get the data.
|
On June 09 2013 03:07 TheKefka wrote:
I'd fuck the shit out of Princess
This !
And kinda sad to see only so few responses at the questions, hope others will answer after seeing this.
I also love the anonymity you gave to everyone.
|
On June 09 2013 03:12 Gworkag wrote:This ! And kinda sad to see only so few responses at the questions, hope others will answer after seeing this. I also love the anonymity you gave to everyone.
Thanks. I spent a good 2-3 hours asking/finding females to take the survey. I figure a week of looking was enough time. It's kinda sad because I remember when SC2 first came out there were hundreds of females active in the community. It's kinda died down now...
I'm sure the male correspondent responses will be a little bit more accurate due to more responses.
|
Maybe you should contact some Feminine teams only.
I know there are some around the world, for exemple, one of the few in know, a French team but i guess they could understand english:
https://twitter.com/madmoizerg
or at http://madmoizerg.com/
Maybe that could help you a little more.
|
"I've conducted a survey of women who play Starcraft. 29 have responded"
"1. Do you identify as female?
Yes - 29
No - 1"
I believe 29+1 = 30.
|
Nice survey! Made for a really interesting read.
|
On June 09 2013 03:21 StarNaN wrote:
"I've conducted a survey of women who play Starcraft. 29 have responded"
"1. Do you identify as female?
Yes - 29
No - 1"
I believe 29+1 = 30.
Sorry for the typo! I fixed it & thank you for pointing it out. I don't exactly do this professionally  Just as a personal interest & for the community.
|
On June 09 2013 03:22 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Nice survey! Made for a really interesting read.
I know! Right? I found it very interesting that so many women play for competition & to improve as a player. Despite what the community likes to think that doesn't seem to really be the case. I made it very clear this was 100% anonymous so I'm assuming their answers were sincere.
There are now a LOT more females who are Top 8 Diamond / Masters. Maybe it's time for another Bunny Cup? Make it an Amateur one so females who are on top teams can't compete. Give the girls who have just recently broke into masters a chance to get noticed. I've always liked the thought of an 'AM only' tournament
|
On June 09 2013 03:23 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 03:21 StarNaN wrote:
"I've conducted a survey of women who play Starcraft. 29 have responded"
"1. Do you identify as female?
Yes - 29
No - 1"
I believe 29+1 = 30. Sorry for the typo! I fixed it & thank you for pointing it out. I don't exactly do this professionally Just as a personal interest & for the community.
May I ask why many of them don't even go up to 29? Feels like you can manipulate the results if you know who to ask and don't ask everyone all the questions.
|
On June 09 2013 03:26 StarNaN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 03:23 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 03:21 StarNaN wrote:
"I've conducted a survey of women who play Starcraft. 29 have responded"
"1. Do you identify as female?
Yes - 29
No - 1"
I believe 29+1 = 30. Sorry for the typo! I fixed it & thank you for pointing it out. I don't exactly do this professionally Just as a personal interest & for the community. May I ask why many of them don't even go up to 29? Feels like you can manipulate the results if you know who to ask and don't ask everyone all the questions.
Why would I manipulate the results? o.O
Everyone was given the same questions. I used a google form to track the results. They did not have to answer any questions they weren't comfortable answering. I didn't want them to feel pressured in any way shape or form. I wanted to do everything I could to make sure I was given sincere responses. I'd rather have a few less responses on some questions than have answers that aren't the whole truth.
If you have any suggestions or questions you'd like to see for the male version I'll definitely take them into consideration though!
|
a picture of major in the bottom left?
|
On June 09 2013 04:17 Roe wrote:
a picture of major in the bottom left?
IT'S PRINCESS.
|
Yeah I think women being pressured and harassed in the community is a problem, but I don't see how this opinion poll helps. The people who already don't want women in the community are just going to read this as "Here's what WE think about us. What do YOU think about us?" and their brain will start a cycle of "attention whores!" and rage. I think this kind of spotlighting of gender is a double edged sword.
Common ground must be emphasized above all for empathy to grow. Starting from the basis of "we're women and you're not" (the blog title itself, even) is a misstep I feel. It can be said that this poll shows women have similar motivations for playing the game, but I think even amongst themselves, men care very little about eachother's motivations, so it is not a very compelling point. Skill, knowledge and passion are valued highest. Writeups, commentary, and highlight reels by females would command respect I think, more than data points.
|
On June 09 2013 04:31 Mothra wrote:
Yeah I think women being pressured and harassed in the community is a problem, but I don't see how this opinion poll helps. The people who already don't want women in the community are just going to read this as "Here's what WE think about us. What do YOU think about us?" and their brain will start a cycle of "attention whores!" and rage. I think this kind of spotlighting of gender is a double edged sword.
Common ground must be emphasized above all for empathy to grow. Starting from the basis of "we're women and you're not" (the blog title itself, even) is a misstep I feel. It can be said that this poll shows women have similar motivations for playing the game, but I think even amongst themselves, men care very little about eachother's motivations, so it is not a very compelling point. Skill, knowledge and passion are valued highest. Writeups, commentary, and highlight reels by females would command respect I think, more than data points.
You make a lot of very good points. I honestly didn't go out & do this at first to highlight women or what have you. I originally did it just because I was kinda bored & curious what the results would be. They were interesting to me so I shared it, thinking it might be interesting to someone else. So I just want to be clear I didn't really have any ulterior motive.
I think the question now is what kind of write ups & commentary aren't currently being covered in the community?
|
On June 09 2013 04:23 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:IT'S PRINCESS.
Not any, my princess
|
On June 09 2013 04:54 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 04:31 Mothra wrote:
Yeah I think women being pressured and harassed in the community is a problem, but I don't see how this opinion poll helps. The people who already don't want women in the community are just going to read this as "Here's what WE think about us. What do YOU think about us?" and their brain will start a cycle of "attention whores!" and rage. I think this kind of spotlighting of gender is a double edged sword.
Common ground must be emphasized above all for empathy to grow. Starting from the basis of "we're women and you're not" (the blog title itself, even) is a misstep I feel. It can be said that this poll shows women have similar motivations for playing the game, but I think even amongst themselves, men care very little about eachother's motivations, so it is not a very compelling point. Skill, knowledge and passion are valued highest. Writeups, commentary, and highlight reels by females would command respect I think, more than data points.
You make a lot of very good points. I honestly didn't go out & do this at first to highlight women or what have you. I originally did it just because I was kinda bored & curious what the results would be. They were interesting to me so I shared it, thinking it might be interesting to someone else. So I just want to be clear I didn't really have any ulterior motive. I think the question now is what kind of write ups & commentary aren't currently being covered in the community?
I don't know, and I'm not even confident my suggestion would make any difference. Just thinking out loud. When I try and put myself in a female's shoes in the gaming community I feel pretty damn uncomfortable. No easy solutions really present themselves when I try to think about it. I think some men want gaming to be a place where they can forget about women for a time and act how they would around male friends. The atmosphere and dynamic is completely different when genders are mixed. I don't think that's necessarily malicious or bigoted for them to want that, yet I feel sorry for the girls who want to belong to the community as well. The two desires seem innocent enough by themselves, yet they oppose each other and the result is people feel cheated, excluded, angry and hurt.
|
For some reason I giggled at the picture of Major and completely cracked up at:
1. Do you identify as female?
Figuring Major was the "no"
|
On June 09 2013 05:33 Bibbit wrote:For some reason I giggled at the picture of Major and completely cracked up at: Figuring Major was the "no"
You're clever
|
|
|
its amazing what having a vagina and a pair of tits do to you
User was banned for this post.
|
On June 09 2013 08:09 poultrypouch wrote:
its amazing what having a vagina and a pair of tits do to you
?
|
What questions do you want to see on the male survey?
|
Apparently Major is a girl now LOL
|
On June 09 2013 09:06 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:
What questions do you want to see on the male survey?
How big is your dick
|
|
|
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please?
|
On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please?
My guess was that it was Major. I had asked in the edited out post immediately above yours but then realized OP said she was keeping identities secret and it wasnt fair for me to ask. For the time being I'm sticking with Major!
|
Surprised only 29 ladies. At least 50-100 of my followers are females who play or watch sc2. There's also a Girls of Starcraft facebook group with 400+ members. So there's a lot more out there who could've participated but just didn't know about it. Heck, if it wasn't for someone doing Follow Friday, I wouldn't have found @MLG_Molly and her survey. I just hope next time there's more so we can see a more accurate consensus.
|
On June 09 2013 11:04 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please? My guess was that it was Major. I had asked in the edited out post immediately above yours but then realized OP said she was keeping identities secret and it wasnt fair for me to ask. For the time being I'm sticking with Major!
But still, why ask the question?
Furthermore, why ask major?
He isn't a woman.
I kinda feel that this survey has the feeling of trying to be serious and at the same time not be taken seriously.
I would love to see another poll, one with more respondents, similar, more and better questions.
In general, I want to see more discussion and time spent talking about gender in the video gaming and esport space, not less.
Also this means men too, not just women.
|
Not the blog I was expecting from your title lol. Was expecting a angry rant of rejection or something. But instead blog of infomation nicely done. But my thoughts on women and getting into gaming. I say the more the merrier.
|
On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please?
I asked because on the off chance someone gave this survey to a man, I would then know. All the information was dumped into a google spreadsheet. This way if a man took the survey, I could leave his answers out of it. Kind of a safety measure which turned out to work.
|
On June 09 2013 19:39 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please? I asked because on the off chance someone gave this survey to a man, I would then know. All the information was dumped into a google spreadsheet. This way if a man took the survey, I could leave his answers out of it. Kind of a safety measure which turned out to work.
On June 09 2013 11:13 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:
Surprised only 29 ladies. At least 50-100 of my followers are females who play or watch sc2. There's also a Girls of Starcraft facebook group with 400+ members. So there's a lot more out there who could've participated but just didn't know about it. Heck, if it wasn't for someone doing Follow Friday, I wouldn't have found @MLG_Molly and her survey. I just hope next time there's more so we can see a more accurate consensus.
GoSC2 has 400-500 women who have once had an interest in SC2 since release. Lets assume 1/10 still play, that's 40. You'd be incredibly shocked at the drop out rate for women in the SC2 community. I founded that group a long time ago. I don't have the stats but I can promise you that the majority of them quit out soon after starting.
|
On June 09 2013 03:07 TheKefka wrote:
I'd fuck the shit out of Princess
I'm confused, isn't Princess MajOr's aka ?
|
On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please?
To clear this out, the one saying not identifying as female was me. I have my own opinion about genders & its' societal constructs (along the line "piss off with this crap"). If she asked if I was female by sex, then I'd say yes. But, since gender, as a societal construct was mentioned, then I am going by no. Not really identifying as either male or female. Simply as that. 
|
On June 09 2013 20:05 endy wrote:I'm confused, isn't Princess MajOr's aka ?
+ Show Spoiler +
|
On June 09 2013 23:15 BabyToss! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please? To clear this out, the one saying not identifying as female was me. I have my own opinion about genders & its' societal constructs (along the line "piss off with this crap"). If she asked if I was female by sex, then I'd say yes. But, since gender, as a societal construct was mentioned, then I am going by no. Not really identifying as either male or female. Simply as that.
Thank you for giving clarity for everyone. I appreciate it. I didn't want to give any real comments on it like where the person was from or such as I promised to keep 100% anonymity.
|
On June 10 2013 00:03 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:Thank you for giving clarity for everyone. I appreciate it. I didn't want to give any real comments on it like where the person was from or such as I promised to keep 100% anonymity.
Well, I feel strongly about this issue in particular, and I am past the age I'd try to hide stuff like that. It's not like it reveals the rest of my answers, so I am fine with coming out on that one. Next time, you should ask that question with the possibility to explain, perhaps. Because I am biologically a female, however, mindset-wise, I don't need to label myself by limiting dual-based genders. I always lived by "being myself", and if someone labels it this and that, I honestly do not care. I wanted to help keep credibility of your survey, by coming out on this too. I in fact do apologize for not being able to make it clear in your survey.
|
On June 10 2013 00:08 BabyToss! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 00:03 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:Thank you for giving clarity for everyone. I appreciate it. I didn't want to give any real comments on it like where the person was from or such as I promised to keep 100% anonymity. Well, I feel strongly about this issue in particular, and I am past the age I'd try to hide stuff like that. It's not like it reveals the rest of my answers, so I am fine with coming out on that one. Next time, you should ask that question with the possibility to explain, perhaps. Because I am biologically a female, however, mindset-wise, I don't need to label myself by limiting dual-based genders. I always lived by "being myself", and if someone labels it this and that, I honestly do not care. I wanted to help keep credibility of your survey, by coming out on this too. I in fact do apologize for not being able to make it clear in your survey.
It's pretty clear I like to think. It asks if you identify as female. Not if you identify as male or female. To those who are clueless won't catch it, but those who aren't comfortable identifying as either/or can just choose no.
|
If you haven't seen it, check out this /r/starcraft survey that someone conducted on women in eSports. It surveyed both men and women, but the results and data might be of interest!
|
Great survey and some very interesting stuff here
|
On June 09 2013 19:40 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 19:39 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please? I asked because on the off chance someone gave this survey to a man, I would then know. All the information was dumped into a google spreadsheet. This way if a man took the survey, I could leave his answers out of it. Kind of a safety measure which turned out to work. Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 11:13 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:
Surprised only 29 ladies. At least 50-100 of my followers are females who play or watch sc2. There's also a Girls of Starcraft facebook group with 400+ members. So there's a lot more out there who could've participated but just didn't know about it. Heck, if it wasn't for someone doing Follow Friday, I wouldn't have found @MLG_Molly and her survey. I just hope next time there's more so we can see a more accurate consensus. GoSC2 has 400-500 women who have once had an interest in SC2 since release. Lets assume 1/10 still play, that's 40. You'd be incredibly shocked at the drop out rate for women in the SC2 community. I founded that group a long time ago. I don't have the stats but I can promise you that the majority of them quit out soon after starting.
I can't help beg the differ. Many seem to be active still. Sure, some of them probably stopped playing. But I find new girls all the time; like every week I follow another female or two in the community who I didn't know existed. Including you. So wouldn't that balance out those who have left? And if you are one of the founders, then why didn't you post this in the group? I've never heard of you. Something seems off. There has to be over 40 women who play Starcraft. Just sayin. The more the merrier when it comes to conducting a survey like this. Should've waited until you found additional females so your data could've been more conclusive, IMO.
|
Interesting that there are more positive than negative responses to the final question.
|
On June 10 2013 02:25 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 00:08 BabyToss! wrote:On June 10 2013 00:03 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:Thank you for giving clarity for everyone. I appreciate it. I didn't want to give any real comments on it like where the person was from or such as I promised to keep 100% anonymity. Well, I feel strongly about this issue in particular, and I am past the age I'd try to hide stuff like that. It's not like it reveals the rest of my answers, so I am fine with coming out on that one. Next time, you should ask that question with the possibility to explain, perhaps. Because I am biologically a female, however, mindset-wise, I don't need to label myself by limiting dual-based genders. I always lived by "being myself", and if someone labels it this and that, I honestly do not care. I wanted to help keep credibility of your survey, by coming out on this too. I in fact do apologize for not being able to make it clear in your survey. It's pretty clear I like to think. It asks if you identify as female. Not if you identify as male or female. To those who are clueless won't catch it, but those who aren't comfortable identifying as either/or can just choose no.
It is kind a clear, but when you get a no answer the message can be quite different. I was confused because answering no leads to at least 2 possible scenarios, the respondent is a trans man, who was assigned female at birth, but identifies as male, and their gender being a man or other, and the second scenario where someone interprets the question much like babytoss did, who is gender non-conforming, and while being assigned female at birth, they choose to not to identify as female and/or as a women.
That's why I was curious, because those 2 scenarios are quite different, and have different implications. I didn't want to out any respondents, but your explanation has been very enlightening, so thank you babytoss.
|
On June 10 2013 07:11 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 19:40 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 19:39 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please? I asked because on the off chance someone gave this survey to a man, I would then know. All the information was dumped into a google spreadsheet. This way if a man took the survey, I could leave his answers out of it. Kind of a safety measure which turned out to work. On June 09 2013 11:13 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:
Surprised only 29 ladies. At least 50-100 of my followers are females who play or watch sc2. There's also a Girls of Starcraft facebook group with 400+ members. So there's a lot more out there who could've participated but just didn't know about it. Heck, if it wasn't for someone doing Follow Friday, I wouldn't have found @MLG_Molly and her survey. I just hope next time there's more so we can see a more accurate consensus. GoSC2 has 400-500 women who have once had an interest in SC2 since release. Lets assume 1/10 still play, that's 40. You'd be incredibly shocked at the drop out rate for women in the SC2 community. I founded that group a long time ago. I don't have the stats but I can promise you that the majority of them quit out soon after starting. And if you are one of the founders, then why didn't you post this in the group? I've never heard of you. Something seems off.
You follow me on twitter, so you've obviously heard of me somewhere.
This was an image of her following me on twitter before she asked me to take it down
If you mean in relation to Girls of Starcraft, it's probably because I founded it back in ~2009(I think) with a Brood War friend. When SC2 came out, things changed a lot in the group. I abandoned the group when it went horrifically down hill(You ever put that many girls together & try to keep things civil?) & turned into a way for a lot of girls I won't name to try & get attention.
http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/forum/2880/27931/932347/
I can get more links but what's the point? The group completely changed/died from what it was when I ran things, so I don't care anymore. I don't do things(mostly. lol) for attention, so I'm not going to cause a rouse about anything in regards to the group. I didn't run it to be famous & I don't plan on using it to make a name for myself. Despite what some people will want you to think I actually play this game for me & you probably haven't heard of me because I don't play or do things to be famous.
Either way, I like to think I'm good friends with the current leader & I plan on keeping it that way. More power to her with whatever she decides to do with the group! and that's all I'm going to ever say about GoSC on TL as it's very obvious people like to take things the wrong way.
I think it's very weird that you'd have your boyfriend threaten to post pictures of me on the internet if I don't take down the proof you followed me up until now. I mean I don't care if he does. There's already a lot of pics of me on the internet. It's just very weird. If you just asked like a normal person I would have done it. It's no big deal. o.0
|
On June 10 2013 08:18 TOdesKaMpF wrote:
Interesting that there are more positive than negative responses to the final question.
I also found that interesting because the majority of the people that I ASKED to do the survey are either somewhat influential women in the community or people who you know aren't tee hee gurl gamurrrrs, so you can take what they say to heart.
We already know what the majority of the tee hee gurl gamurs would say. The whole point of the survey was to see what the women who have been around for a while think on how everything has been lately.
When we get back the male-player results(I'll probably ask GM/High Master players) what they think of everything, if it's positive as well hopefully we can get more women confident enough to start streaming & join some teams.
|
On June 10 2013 09:11 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:11 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:On June 09 2013 19:40 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 19:39 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please? I asked because on the off chance someone gave this survey to a man, I would then know. All the information was dumped into a google spreadsheet. This way if a man took the survey, I could leave his answers out of it. Kind of a safety measure which turned out to work. On June 09 2013 11:13 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:
Surprised only 29 ladies. At least 50-100 of my followers are females who play or watch sc2. There's also a Girls of Starcraft facebook group with 400+ members. So there's a lot more out there who could've participated but just didn't know about it. Heck, if it wasn't for someone doing Follow Friday, I wouldn't have found @MLG_Molly and her survey. I just hope next time there's more so we can see a more accurate consensus. GoSC2 has 400-500 women who have once had an interest in SC2 since release. Lets assume 1/10 still play, that's 40. You'd be incredibly shocked at the drop out rate for women in the SC2 community. I founded that group a long time ago. I don't have the stats but I can promise you that the majority of them quit out soon after starting. And if you are one of the founders, then why didn't you post this in the group? I've never heard of you. Something seems off. You follow me on twitter, so you've obviously heard of me somewhere. If you mean in relation to Girls of Starcraft, it's probably because I founded it back in ~2009 (I think) with a Brood War friend. When SC2 came out, things changed a lot in the group. I abandoned the group when it went horrifically down hill (You ever put that many girls together & try to keep things civil?) & turned into a way for a lot of girls I won't name to try & get attention. http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/forum/2880/27931/932347/I can get more links but what's the point? The group completely changed/died from what it was when I ran things, so I don't care anymore. I don't do things (mostly. lol) for attention, so I'm not going to cause a rouse about anything in regards to the group. I didn't run it to be famous & I don't plan on using it to make a name for myself. Despite what some people will want you to think I actually play this game for me & you probably haven't heard of me because I don't play or do things to be famous. Either way, I like to think I'm good friends with the current leader & I plan on keeping it that way. More power to her with whatever she decides to do with the group! and that's all I'm going to ever say about GoSC on TL as it's very obvious people like to take things the wrong way.
Look. I can't believe I'm getting involved in this - She heard of you at the same time she heard of your survey.
....Not that it matters.... lol
You aren't tough or cool posting a pic of her as 'evidence' of some *prior knowledge of your identity*..
Seriously, who do you think you are, this infamous person that has to defend herself. What are you so defensive about anyway? This is cheap. I guarantee nobody cares about your involvement in your girls group, or your friendship with them, or lack thereof ect.
It's supposed to be about a survey and getting data for the survey.
but since you seem like an odd broad..
let me stoop to your level. Here from your twitter:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UflkTh3.jpg)
That's a lot of medication.. No wonder you got all worked up..
User was banned for this post.
|
On June 10 2013 10:49 pandaxcore wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:11 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 10 2013 07:11 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:On June 09 2013 19:40 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 19:39 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please? I asked because on the off chance someone gave this survey to a man, I would then know. All the information was dumped into a google spreadsheet. This way if a man took the survey, I could leave his answers out of it. Kind of a safety measure which turned out to work. On June 09 2013 11:13 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:
Surprised only 29 ladies. At least 50-100 of my followers are females who play or watch sc2. There's also a Girls of Starcraft facebook group with 400+ members. So there's a lot more out there who could've participated but just didn't know about it. Heck, if it wasn't for someone doing Follow Friday, I wouldn't have found @MLG_Molly and her survey. I just hope next time there's more so we can see a more accurate consensus. GoSC2 has 400-500 women who have once had an interest in SC2 since release. Lets assume 1/10 still play, that's 40. You'd be incredibly shocked at the drop out rate for women in the SC2 community. I founded that group a long time ago. I don't have the stats but I can promise you that the majority of them quit out soon after starting. And if you are one of the founders, then why didn't you post this in the group? I've never heard of you. Something seems off. You follow me on twitter, so you've obviously heard of me somewhere. If you mean in relation to Girls of Starcraft, it's probably because I founded it back in ~2009 (I think) with a Brood War friend. When SC2 came out, things changed a lot in the group. I abandoned the group when it went horrifically down hill (You ever put that many girls together & try to keep things civil?) & turned into a way for a lot of girls I won't name to try & get attention. http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/forum/2880/27931/932347/I can get more links but what's the point? The group completely changed/died from what it was when I ran things, so I don't care anymore. I don't do things (mostly. lol) for attention, so I'm not going to cause a rouse about anything in regards to the group. I didn't run it to be famous & I don't plan on using it to make a name for myself. Despite what some people will want you to think I actually play this game for me & you probably haven't heard of me because I don't play or do things to be famous. Either way, I like to think I'm good friends with the current leader & I plan on keeping it that way. More power to her with whatever she decides to do with the group! and that's all I'm going to ever say about GoSC on TL as it's very obvious people like to take things the wrong way. Look. I can't believe I'm getting involved in this - She heard of you at the same time she heard of your survey. ....Not that it matters.... lol You aren't tough or cool posting a pic of her as 'evidence' of some *prior knowledge of your identity*.. Seriously, who do you think you are, this infamous person that has to defend herself. What are you so defensive about anyway? This is cheap. I guarantee nobody cares about your involvement in your girls group, or your friendship with them, or lack thereof ect. It's supposed to be about a survey and getting data for the survey. but since you seem like an odd broad.. let me stoop to your level. Here from your twitter: That's a lot of medication.. No wonder you got all worked up.. User was banned for this post.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sqW28WA.png)
|
On June 10 2013 11:40 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 10:49 pandaxcore wrote:On June 10 2013 09:11 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 10 2013 07:11 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:On June 09 2013 19:40 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 19:39 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please? I asked because on the off chance someone gave this survey to a man, I would then know. All the information was dumped into a google spreadsheet. This way if a man took the survey, I could leave his answers out of it. Kind of a safety measure which turned out to work. On June 09 2013 11:13 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:
Surprised only 29 ladies. At least 50-100 of my followers are females who play or watch sc2. There's also a Girls of Starcraft facebook group with 400+ members. So there's a lot more out there who could've participated but just didn't know about it. Heck, if it wasn't for someone doing Follow Friday, I wouldn't have found @MLG_Molly and her survey. I just hope next time there's more so we can see a more accurate consensus. GoSC2 has 400-500 women who have once had an interest in SC2 since release. Lets assume 1/10 still play, that's 40. You'd be incredibly shocked at the drop out rate for women in the SC2 community. I founded that group a long time ago. I don't have the stats but I can promise you that the majority of them quit out soon after starting. And if you are one of the founders, then why didn't you post this in the group? I've never heard of you. Something seems off. You follow me on twitter, so you've obviously heard of me somewhere. If you mean in relation to Girls of Starcraft, it's probably because I founded it back in ~2009 (I think) with a Brood War friend. When SC2 came out, things changed a lot in the group. I abandoned the group when it went horrifically down hill (You ever put that many girls together & try to keep things civil?) & turned into a way for a lot of girls I won't name to try & get attention. http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/forum/2880/27931/932347/I can get more links but what's the point? The group completely changed/died from what it was when I ran things, so I don't care anymore. I don't do things (mostly. lol) for attention, so I'm not going to cause a rouse about anything in regards to the group. I didn't run it to be famous & I don't plan on using it to make a name for myself. Despite what some people will want you to think I actually play this game for me & you probably haven't heard of me because I don't play or do things to be famous. Either way, I like to think I'm good friends with the current leader & I plan on keeping it that way. More power to her with whatever she decides to do with the group! and that's all I'm going to ever say about GoSC on TL as it's very obvious people like to take things the wrong way. Look. I can't believe I'm getting involved in this - She heard of you at the same time she heard of your survey. ....Not that it matters.... lol You aren't tough or cool posting a pic of her as 'evidence' of some *prior knowledge of your identity*.. Seriously, who do you think you are, this infamous person that has to defend herself. What are you so defensive about anyway? This is cheap. I guarantee nobody cares about your involvement in your girls group, or your friendship with them, or lack thereof ect. It's supposed to be about a survey and getting data for the survey. but since you seem like an odd broad.. let me stoop to your level. Here from your twitter: That's a lot of medication.. No wonder you got all worked up.. User was banned for this post. User was temp banned for this post.
lol Didn't think that was temp ban worthy.
|
On June 10 2013 14:27 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:40 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 10 2013 10:49 pandaxcore wrote:On June 10 2013 09:11 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 10 2013 07:11 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:On June 09 2013 19:40 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 19:39 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please? I asked because on the off chance someone gave this survey to a man, I would then know. All the information was dumped into a google spreadsheet. This way if a man took the survey, I could leave his answers out of it. Kind of a safety measure which turned out to work. On June 09 2013 11:13 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:
Surprised only 29 ladies. At least 50-100 of my followers are females who play or watch sc2. There's also a Girls of Starcraft facebook group with 400+ members. So there's a lot more out there who could've participated but just didn't know about it. Heck, if it wasn't for someone doing Follow Friday, I wouldn't have found @MLG_Molly and her survey. I just hope next time there's more so we can see a more accurate consensus. GoSC2 has 400-500 women who have once had an interest in SC2 since release. Lets assume 1/10 still play, that's 40. You'd be incredibly shocked at the drop out rate for women in the SC2 community. I founded that group a long time ago. I don't have the stats but I can promise you that the majority of them quit out soon after starting. And if you are one of the founders, then why didn't you post this in the group? I've never heard of you. Something seems off. You follow me on twitter, so you've obviously heard of me somewhere. If you mean in relation to Girls of Starcraft, it's probably because I founded it back in ~2009 (I think) with a Brood War friend. When SC2 came out, things changed a lot in the group. I abandoned the group when it went horrifically down hill (You ever put that many girls together & try to keep things civil?) & turned into a way for a lot of girls I won't name to try & get attention. http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/forum/2880/27931/932347/I can get more links but what's the point? The group completely changed/died from what it was when I ran things, so I don't care anymore. I don't do things (mostly. lol) for attention, so I'm not going to cause a rouse about anything in regards to the group. I didn't run it to be famous & I don't plan on using it to make a name for myself. Despite what some people will want you to think I actually play this game for me & you probably haven't heard of me because I don't play or do things to be famous. Either way, I like to think I'm good friends with the current leader & I plan on keeping it that way. More power to her with whatever she decides to do with the group! and that's all I'm going to ever say about GoSC on TL as it's very obvious people like to take things the wrong way. Look. I can't believe I'm getting involved in this - She heard of you at the same time she heard of your survey. ....Not that it matters.... lol You aren't tough or cool posting a pic of her as 'evidence' of some *prior knowledge of your identity*.. Seriously, who do you think you are, this infamous person that has to defend herself. What are you so defensive about anyway? This is cheap. I guarantee nobody cares about your involvement in your girls group, or your friendship with them, or lack thereof ect. It's supposed to be about a survey and getting data for the survey. but since you seem like an odd broad.. let me stoop to your level. Here from your twitter: That's a lot of medication.. No wonder you got all worked up.. User was banned for this post. User was temp banned for this post. lol Didn't think that was temp ban worthy.
Yeah that kid was pretty stupid, lol
|
On June 11 2013 09:47 TOdesKaMpF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 14:27 aike wrote:On June 10 2013 11:40 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 10 2013 10:49 pandaxcore wrote:On June 10 2013 09:11 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 10 2013 07:11 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:On June 09 2013 19:40 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 19:39 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:On June 09 2013 10:43 Kerotan wrote:
I'm confused by the first question, you asked 29 people who you "knew" where women, and one of them said, no I'm not female.
Is this person a trans man? Someone is not gender binary?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, what were you trying to answer with your first survey question?
Because asking if the respondents in a survey about women in gaming if they are women seems kinda redundant, and asking them if they consider themselves female seems a bit weird.
Any insight please? I asked because on the off chance someone gave this survey to a man, I would then know. All the information was dumped into a google spreadsheet. This way if a man took the survey, I could leave his answers out of it. Kind of a safety measure which turned out to work. On June 09 2013 11:13 TurnipThrowingPeach wrote:
Surprised only 29 ladies. At least 50-100 of my followers are females who play or watch sc2. There's also a Girls of Starcraft facebook group with 400+ members. So there's a lot more out there who could've participated but just didn't know about it. Heck, if it wasn't for someone doing Follow Friday, I wouldn't have found @MLG_Molly and her survey. I just hope next time there's more so we can see a more accurate consensus. GoSC2 has 400-500 women who have once had an interest in SC2 since release. Lets assume 1/10 still play, that's 40. You'd be incredibly shocked at the drop out rate for women in the SC2 community. I founded that group a long time ago. I don't have the stats but I can promise you that the majority of them quit out soon after starting. And if you are one of the founders, then why didn't you post this in the group? I've never heard of you. Something seems off. You follow me on twitter, so you've obviously heard of me somewhere. If you mean in relation to Girls of Starcraft, it's probably because I founded it back in ~2009 (I think) with a Brood War friend. When SC2 came out, things changed a lot in the group. I abandoned the group when it went horrifically down hill (You ever put that many girls together & try to keep things civil?) & turned into a way for a lot of girls I won't name to try & get attention. http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/forum/2880/27931/932347/I can get more links but what's the point? The group completely changed/died from what it was when I ran things, so I don't care anymore. I don't do things (mostly. lol) for attention, so I'm not going to cause a rouse about anything in regards to the group. I didn't run it to be famous & I don't plan on using it to make a name for myself. Despite what some people will want you to think I actually play this game for me & you probably haven't heard of me because I don't play or do things to be famous. Either way, I like to think I'm good friends with the current leader & I plan on keeping it that way. More power to her with whatever she decides to do with the group! and that's all I'm going to ever say about GoSC on TL as it's very obvious people like to take things the wrong way. Look. I can't believe I'm getting involved in this - She heard of you at the same time she heard of your survey. ....Not that it matters.... lol You aren't tough or cool posting a pic of her as 'evidence' of some *prior knowledge of your identity*.. Seriously, who do you think you are, this infamous person that has to defend herself. What are you so defensive about anyway? This is cheap. I guarantee nobody cares about your involvement in your girls group, or your friendship with them, or lack thereof ect. It's supposed to be about a survey and getting data for the survey. but since you seem like an odd broad.. let me stoop to your level. Here from your twitter: That's a lot of medication.. No wonder you got all worked up.. User was banned for this post. lol Didn't think that was temp ban worthy. Yeah that kid was pretty stupid, lol
No I totally deserved it for defending myself in my own blog. -.- Oh well lol
Starting on next one now for mens including GM/Former GM Players
|
There's no gender in game. Protoss, Zerg and Terran. Thats what I am playing (against). If there's a girl who can match me, I'm happy to play with her and call her gamer. If there's a girl who playes for fun and does it because she enjoys the game, I'll happily call her gamer. If she wants to improve, same story.
Obviously there are attention whores, but that isn't a thing only females do. There are also a ton of male attention whores so I really don't see a point. The only difference is, female attention whores get more viewers because they got boobs and eSports is male-dominated. I really don't get why anyone would watch a stream and hate all the time. If you don't enjoy watching a girl play , simply don't watch. No one does force you to check out the girls of esports. Personally I can say that I barely watch streams at all and I've not seen many females stream.
I did watch Flo once, found it uninteresting and I think I checked out msspyte(?) and didn't think she was bad, but Zerg so I don't have interest in it. And to the kind person who did open this blog:
I personally just see this as contributing / informing the Starcraft 2 community, which I think is a good thing. Thanks for the good read.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/f6XD19u.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5JUx1Z5.png)
